"What's Beef?" UFC 214 Thread (Jones/Cormier Woodley/Maia Cyborg/Evinger Lawler/Cerrone) July 29th

[75 Others]

If Jones were to lose or get finished he would deserve it for his stupidity but I could never root for DC to win. His arrogance with just getting the belt without beating Jones has been unbearable (the way he constantly cites beating Anderson as a reason he should be considered the goat). If he beat Jones (even under these dubious circumstances) could easily see him retiring. And that would just leave a bad taste in my mouth

Agreed 100%

but

what is DC supposed to do?? JJ fukked himself over, is DC supposed to vacate til he comes back?? When he fought SIlva, I felt that dude's anger and frustration when they had the camera feed of Dana telling DC JJ fukked up AGAIN. Dude was mad as fukk kicking chairs

I think he is ready to prove himself as being a legit champion, but JJ is ruining that chance with fukkery. When should he have an illegitimate doubt when the current champ cant get his shyt together

 

[Roman Brady]

I don't care about your crying..you focused on drugs being the major aide. Simple as that. Implied easily.

You need to brush up on your reading

 

[Roman Brady]

Agreed 100%

but

what is DC supposed to do?? JJ fukked himself over, is DC supposed to vacate til he comes back?? When he fought SIlva, I felt that dude's anger and frustration when they had the camera feed of Dana telling DC JJ fukked up AGAIN. Dude was mad as fukk kicking chairs

I think he is ready to prove himself as being a legit champion, but JJ is ruining that chance with fukkery. When should he have an illegitimate doubt when the current champ cant get his shyt together

this is what I don't get why do ppl go to such absurd extremes. You mean to tell it's too hard not make out you are the "undisputed" LHW champion? You mean it's too difficult to not refer to yourself as goat? You mean it's too hard to not celebrate beating Silva like it was some monumental achievement when the guy took the fight on less than 24 hr notice and you held him down for dear life because you wanted no part of his standup? You mean to tell me it's too hard to drop anvils that my legacy and championship can't be written until I face Jones again? Come on dawg

 

[75 Others]

this is what I don't get why do ppl go to such absurd extremes. You mean to tell it's too hard not make out you are the "undisputed" LHW champion? You mean it's too difficult to not refer to yourself as goat? You mean it's too hard to not celebrate beating Silva like it was some monumental achievement when the guy took the fight on less than 24 hr notice and you held him down for dear life because you wanted no part of his standup? You mean to tell me it's too hard to drop anvils that my legacy and championship can't be written until I face Jones again? Come on dawg

That shyt w/ silva was very over the top. We know DC wants JJ again to legitimize his place among LHW. But when he is close to a chance, again JJ fukks it up, so again what is DC supposed to do?? I think DC plays a front to be honest, but deep down he knows he aint shyt til he beats JJ

 

[Kenny West]

Surprised everyone has such confidence, with the layoff Jones's rhythm is going to be off. Cormier is going to come out of the gate like he stole his lunch money which will disrupt Jones's breathing and test his cardio. Don't know where you are getting this feeling it's a slam dunk

I'm with you here, I might even put a few on DC.

Post Jail/Layoff Jones at his very best is only a half step behind how he was before. He doesn't look improved at all in the past 2 years and for all the talk of his jail muscle it hasn't translated into power.


DC has improved a bit, looks better cardiowise, fights meaner now and has momentum. Jones probably still has the hole in his boxing and I think DC will have chances to connect between clinches with his uppercuts.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

OSP was his first and only fight under USADA if memory serves his movement didn't look the same, did not have the same explosion or strength. Was very plodding and hesitant to pull the trigger. Was this the result of time off or is this how he fights without what ever made him who he was

Jones said he didn't wanna show too much in the OSP fight

Personally I dont think thats really indicative of anything. Jon had him beat soundly, he really didnt need to go in and wear himself out, plus OSP was phoning it in himself. That fight was a mayweather type of fight, the judges scorecard was clearly favoring Jon so he coasted, especially in the last round

Your homie chalking it up to ring rust? That die hard MMA head need to talk to Cruz

 

[LinusCaldwell]

I'm with you here, I might even put a few on DC.

Post Jail/Layoff Jones at his very best is only a half step behind how he was before. He doesn't look improved at all in the past 2 years and for all the talk of his jail muscle it hasn't translated into power.


DC has improved a bit, looks better cardiowise, fights meaner now and has momentum. Jones probably still has the hole in his boxing and I think DC will have chances to connect between clinches with his uppercuts.

Jones ate some clean lunches from Cormier last time. I haven't seen anything new in Cormier's technique or for him to say he's improved he's doing the same thing he's always done and is winning.

 

[Kenny West]

Jones ate some clean lunches from Cormier last time. I haven't seen anything new in Cormier's technique or for him to say he's improved he's doing the same thing he's always done and is winning.

He doesn't need a brand new wrinkle to beat jon, he needed a gamplan and clear head.

I feel like most of the reason why he lost before is because he came in too emotional. Spent too much energy chasing takedowns he wasn't getting and gassed himself on that pointless pride TD at the end. You said it yourself, Jones was taking clean punches especially out the clinch. DC needs to stay in that range instead of diving for TDs Jon's preferred range.

When it comes to punches vs punches DC has a considerable advantage. His boxing is further along and he has way more power. DC can ko heavyweights Jon KO's nobody.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

He doesn't need a brand new wrinkle to beat jon, he needed a gamplan and clear head.

I feel like most of the reason why he lost before is because he came in too emotional. Spent too much energy chasing takedowns he wasn't getting and gassed himself on that pointless pride TD at the end. You said it yourself, Jones was taking clean punches especially out the clinch. DC needs to stay in that range instead of diving for TDs Jon's preferred range.

When it comes to punches vs punches DC has a considerable advantage. His boxing is further along and he has way more power. DC can ko heavyweights Jon KO's nobody.

And I would agree if this was any other fighter, but I think Cormier's advantage plays even more into Jones strength dude has an exceptional inside game for his length and size. I think it has been further accelerated with his time off. I think it's a lose lose for Cormier you keep your distance you lose. You get in close to Jones he's gonna get messed up. Cormier said he didn't realize how strong Jones was back then and he didn't have Cain to help him plus he took the championship rounds. We all know Jones got even stronger now.

Plus we never seen Jones gameplan all he does is fight your fight and beat you.

 

[Roman Brady]

That shyt w/ silva was very over the top. We know DC wants JJ again to legitimize his place among LHW. But when he is close to a chance, again JJ fukks it up, so again what is DC supposed to do?? I think DC plays a front to be honest, but deep down he knows he aint shyt til he beats JJ

Thing is if he beats Jones in this way I could easily see him saying see I am the best when we know damn well Jones has been out for an extended period

 

[Roman Brady]

Jones said he didn't wanna show too much in the OSP fight

either he's a trying to save face or OSP was that trash he could do that..

Your homie chalking it up to ring rust? That die hard MMA head need to talk to Cruz

Cruz is an exception not the rule and you can tell with the way Jones fights he's a study(er) in that he fights like a dancer recalling steps memorized which is not only an accumulation of drills but being match tested.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

either he's a trying to save face or OSP was that trash he could do that..




Cruz is an exception not the rule and you can tell with the way Jones fights he's a study(er) in that he fights like a dancer recalling steps memorized which is not only an accumulation of drills but being match tested.

I love OSP but yes he was outmatched. There's levels....


Cruz is an exception but he's also a goat.... and so is Jones... they are both so it's not out of the realm of possibility...

 

[Kenny West]

And I would agree if this was any other fighter, but I think Cormier's advantage plays even more into Jones strength dude has an exceptional inside game for his length and size. I think it has been further accelerated with his time off. I think it's a lose lose for Cormier you keep your distance you lose. You get in close to Jones he's gonna get messed up. Cormier said he didn't realize how strong Jones was back then and he didn't have Cain to help him plus he took the championship rounds. We all know Jones got even stronger now.

Plus we never seen Jones gameplan all he does is fight your fight and beat you.

The best displays of Jon's strength relative to DC is him fighting off TDs and holding his ground in the clinch. Thats it. Jones wasn't hurting nothing but DC's pride inside the clinch and he was catching shots when they broke it. Going inside is all upside with cormeir as long as his intentions aren't to grapple

I don't think I seen Jon rock someone with strikes since shogun, and he definitely didn't do it inside with DC.

I feel like the hype train and people siding with Jon on clowning DC is really coloring how people remember that fight. It was a shot to DC's pride but it wasn't this ass whipping folks are making it out to be

 

[Roman Brady]

I love OSP but yes he was outmatched. There's levels....


Cruz is an exception but he's also a goat.... and so is Jones... they are both so it's not out of the realm of possibility...

Cruz is strong willed and determined you couple that with talent and the end result is what we saw. Jones has proved time and time again (in many respects) he's mentally weak not all goats are the same

 

[LinusCaldwell]

Cruz is strong willed and determined you couple that with talent and the end result is what we saw. Jones has proved time and time again (in many respects) he's mentally weak not all goats are the same

Mentally weak outside of the octagon, not inside.