What would 2005-2006 Kobe average today with that same squad?

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People here view Kobe as a comic book character so they project some fanboy bullshyt onto him while ignoring logic.

'87 Jordan took 27.8 shots on a horrible team in a league that played at the same pace it does now...but they think Kobe Bryant would be out here taking THIRTY shots. It's just pure, child-like fan worship.

But like, who’s argument is it that Kobe would have to take 30 shots? That’s @Rhakim argument. No one else said anything about Kobe jacking 30 shots. He’d obviously shoot more threes, somewhere around 8-9 a game.

Y’all just don’t like giving the man his respect. I’d love to see Kobe in a league where he had freedom of movement.

 

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Harden was the ONLY player in the NBA who took more than 21 shots/game last year, but they have Kobe shooting well over 30.

Harden was the ONLY player in the NBA who took more than 8 free throws/game last year, but they have Kobe shooting 15+.

It doesn't make any sense.




Oh, they're going to ignore that shyt for sure. Not one of them has calculated how many shots Kobe would actually need to get 40+ points, or why he would be shooting 10 times/game more than the 2nd place guy in 2021 when he only shot 2 times/game more than the 2nd place guy in 2006.





The whole thread is conjecture.

There's still a difference between conjecture based in reality and conjecture based in fantasy.

What’s the reality? Your reality? You’re an Incel analyst nobody said your reality is right.

Funny how @Swagnificent posted his adjusted stats but you throw them numbers out the window

 

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Y'all call us haters when you guys dedicate thread after thread to hating on the entire league the last 7 years

First of all Nobody mentioned you. I don’t even know who the fukk you are kid. I was just replying to your dumbass post.

This nikka think he special.

 

[Sccit]

"If Beal is getting 35 then Curry and KD will be getting 40!!!"

Oh wait, they're not. That's why it's innately stupid to compare to just one player. Jerry fukking Stackhouse averaged 30ppg in Kobe's era and he isn't half the scorer that Beal is.

Plus Beal is only getting 33ppg and that will probably fall close to 30ppg (his career high) by the end of the season.





As others have pointed out, they called way more fouls in 2006. Trae was 2nd in the NBA in free throws with just 8/game in 2020, meanwhile there were SIX guys shooting 10+ free throws in 2006. Harden's flopping ass managed 10.2 fta/game last year, that would have been just tied for 5th in 2006. So how can you just assume that Kobe would average more free throws when everyone else shoots fewer?

And Kobe was almost entirely a jump shooter by 2006, he only took 20% of his shots at the rim even counting fast breaks. So why are y'all talking about interior defense so much? It's not like interior defense was stopping Bron or AI or Arenas from putting up huge numbers either in 2006, and all of them actually had inferior jump shots to Bean.

As we keep pointing out, the pace has increased 10% but as a result minutes have decreased 10%. Kobe wasn't playing 43 minutes/game in the slow-pace era even though his team needed him, so why would he play 40 minutes/game in the fast-paced era when literally no one in the entire NBA does that? Kobe was 5th in minutes in 2006, he'd be about the same in 2021, playing 36-37 minutes/game like the other big stars with no help. Pace increase and minutes decrease cancel out.




Average power forward height hasn't dropped 3 inches, its dropped 1 inch max.

And fukking Carlos Boozer and Boris Diaw weren't keeping Kobe away from the rim nor were they even guarding Kobe at any point, regardless of their height. Dirk is a 7-footer but Kobe wasn't worried about him, was he? You're talking like these slow-ass offensive-focused forwards were the reason Kobe wasn't scoring at the rim when they didn't even slide over into the key like that.

He didn't "go through the trees" though. Only 20% of his shots were at the rim, counting fast breaks. By 2006 Kobe's game wasn't focused on driving like it had been earlier. And if he DID focus on driving he would have to expend far more energy, which would make it even less likely that he'd play 40+ minutes and take 30+ shots/game like y'all keep claiming he would.


Not one person who has claimed Kobe would average 40+ ppg has actually calculated how many shots it would take him to get there. He'd have to lead the NBA in shots taken, 3pts taken, and FTs taken by massive margins. When back in 2006 he was only barely ahead of Iverson in shots, well behind Ray Allen in threes, and in a distant 5th in free throws. So why would 2021 Kobe take way more shots than Beal, way more threes than Curry, and way more free throws than Harden when he wasn't even doing that in 2006?

YOURE NOT PAYING ATTENTION

CURRY AND KD AINT GETTIN AS MUCH CUZ THEY SURROUNDED WIT MORE SCORING TALENT. THEYD BOTH BE IN THE 35 RANGE ON WASHINGTON.

 

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But like, who’s argument is it that Kobe would have to take 30 shots? That’s @Rhakim argument. No one else said anything about Kobe jacking 30 shots. He’d obviously shoot more threes, somewhere around 8-9 a game.

Y’all just don’t like giving the man his respect. I’d love to see Kobe in a league where he had freedom of movement.

I already pointed out that increasing his threes to 10/game would only add 0.5 ppg to his scoring average.

So how do people have him scoring 40+ ppg without shooting well over 30 shots/game?

Funny how @Swagnificent posted his adjusted stats but you throw them numbers out the window

I have @Swagnificent on ignore cause he's one of the worst posters in forum history and advocates pedophilia and rape. The fact that you're leaning on him says a lot.

But then again, you're "MrScum", also one of the worst posters in this forum's history, so there isn't much lower to go.

What "adjusted stats" show Kobe scoring 40+ ppg? Do they include the fact that Kobe would be playing far fewer minutes in this era, just like everyone else has to with the increased pace?

What’s the reality? Your reality? You’re an Incel analyst nobody said your reality is right.

That's the first time in my life I've been called an incel.

How da fukk can you be married with kids and be the incel? Projection much?

 

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I for one am happy Kobe didn't play in this weak era. What made Kobe Kobe was his moves, footwork etc to make shots/lay-ups/dunks over, under or around actual defenses. Fade-aways, up and unders, double-clutch lay-ups, etc. He developped his arsenal because he needed it, because defense was being played, he was going to the lane that was much more crowded back then and trying to throw it down on actual centers. If he came up in this era he'd have a different style probably, taking 10 step back threes per game and pick and rolling ad nauseam to the basket for uncontested lay-up after unconstested lay-up. Obviously he would average at least 40 but it would be much less spectacular than what he was doing back then.

 

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I for one am happy Kobe didn't play in this weak era. What made Kobe Kobe was his moves, footwork etc to make shots/lay-ups/dunks over, under or around actual defenses. Fade-aways, up and unders, double-clutch lay-ups, etc. He developped his arsenal because he needed it, because defense was being played, he was going to the lane that was much more crowded back then and trying to throw it down on actual centers. If he came up in this era he'd have a different style probably, taking 10 step back threes per game and pick and rolling ad nauseam to the basket for uncontested lay-up after unconstested lay-up. Obviously he would average at least 40 but it would be much less spectacular than what he was doing back then.

 

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R.I.P. Kobe

 

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YOURE NOT PAYING ATTENTION

CURRY AND KD AINT GETTIN AS MUCH CUZ THEY SURROUNDED WIT MORE SCORING TALENT. THEYD BOTH BE IN THE 35 RANGE ON WASHINGTON.

Curry is surrounded by scoring talent? You're referring to Wiggins and Draymond and Oubre?

Let me repeat again. NO ONE in the last 15 years of NBA history has averaged 25 shots/game for a season. Not one. No matter how weak their rosters were.Last year, James Harden was the ONLY player in the entire NBA to shoot more than 21 times/game. Even fukking prime 2007 Kobe only shot the ball 22.8 times/game on that weak-ass roster.

That 2004-2006 era in the NBA was weird, when stars where still playing 40+ minutes and taking a ton of shots with lots of iso-ball while refs called a billion fouls. 2006 was the same year that Iverson, Bron, Arenas, and Kobe all hit their career scoring highs, even though they were in completely different career stages at the time. It was the year that multiple players shot over 25 times/game, the year that 6 players shot over 10 free throws/game, and the year that 3 players averaged over 31 points/game. None of that has been repeated, not even close.

Why do y'all keep ignoring everything that was unique about how much stars scored in 2006, then ignore everything about how little stars shoot in 2020?

 

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@Rhakim in here embarassing himself AGAIN

 

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What’s the reality? Your reality? You’re an Incel analyst nobody said your reality is right.

Funny how @Swagnificent posted his adjusted stats but you throw them numbers out the window

People threw swagnificent's adjusted because, like a lot of you Kobe hero worshippers do, whenever you throw out advance stats you don't even use them right because of how much you ignore them 90% of the time.

 

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But like, who’s argument is it that Kobe would have to take 30 shots? That’s @Rhakim argument. No one else said anything about Kobe jacking 30 shots. He’d obviously shoot more threes, somewhere around 8-9 a game.

Y’all just don’t like giving the man his respect. I’d love to see Kobe in a league where he had freedom of movement.

Easily 40. Thing that made Kobe so special was his mentality. He was always in attack mode, on that 05-06 team he probably wouldn't have any game under 30 points in today's league, his aggressiveness wouldn't allow it. He would easily throw up 30+ shots per game

 

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Kobe dead and Bron fans still have meltdowns in threads like these fukking pathetic Beadley Beal and James Harden avg 35-37 in this era and these bozos cant accept kobe would average a few points more

 

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Kobe dead and Bron fans still have meltdowns in threads like these fukking pathetic Beadley Beal and James Harden avg 35-37 in this era and these bozos cant accept kobe would average a few points more

The problem is, you guys act like such hero worshippers that you can't even properly argue why Kobe would do that, and instead of bothering to actually argue any of Rhakim's points you just throw out more mythological "He's just sooooo aggressive" nonsense.

Basketball discussion here is absolute garbage. Just barbershop takes.

 

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@Rhakim
@Remote
@madness
@LexDiamonds


all posters who have consistently threw shade at Kobe in EVERY thread about him since he died........nikkas either typing us essays or passive aggressively dapping up all the misleading bullshyt......these are the same guys that'll tell you Ron Artest hit the go ahead shot in Game 7 even though we were already winning

dudes are real losers, and what's even the saddest part is Rhakim is like 45, this nikka was already an adult when Bron came into the league. Idolize your little homies brehs