What was worse J.Cole apologizing or Drake having ghost writers.

[Professor K.]

That Jumbotron shyt was fire shyt was kinda wack Yachty wrote the whole shyt. Hooks and a line here and there is cool but the whole record damn.

It’s definitely not “one of them ones” though or lyrical songs. None of the shyt Yachty or QM wrote is “lyrical” they’re vibey songs and if you ask me writing them type of songs is much harder than a lyrical storytelling record.

When you look at the credits for IYRTITL, QM has credits on shyt like 10 Bands but more personal songs like 6PM In New York don’t have listed cowriters.

Exactly breh. There's a way to spin it where Drake really still is a "backpack rapper" to the core, he was just willing to do the grimy shyt the rest weren't in order to make it. It's like Barry Bonds where people say he was a HOFer before he ever took the PEDs, he just thought he deserved the praise McGuire and Sosa got so he did what they did. You can't excuse the "cheating", but you can respect it if you wanna look at it that way. It may be "evil" but it's still Hip-Hop.

Cole bytching up the way he did ain't Hip-Hop AT ALL and that's something that nikka gotta forever live with.

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

Cole.

Only because even though I don't like his music at all and think he's extremely overrated I at least took him seriously as a rapper and felt he understood the history of the music and what comes with being a rapper...but he did some sh't we ain't never seen no rapper of status do. He went out like a puccy.

And for whatever you might think of Drake, he soft, he this or that. He's at least always tried to swing and he ain't ever apologised for it.

Cole basically got told to suck a nicca dicc, he slap the nicca and then turn around and apologise for smacking the nicca...tf???

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

Exactly breh. There's a way to spin it where Drake really still is a "backpack rapper" to the core, he was just willing to do the grimy shyt the rest weren't in order to make it. It's like Barry Bonds where people say he was a HOFer before he ever took the PEDs, he just thought he deserved the praise McGuire and Sosa got so he did what they did. You can't excuse the "cheating", but you can respect it if you wanna look at it that way. It may be "evil" but it's still Hip-Hop.

Cole bytching up the way he did ain't Hip-Hop AT ALL and that's something that nikka gotta forever live with.

There's no way to excuse Drake from it. He was halfway deleted from being ever in a serious conversation when it comes to top tier rappers with the QM exposal, but now? Whole songs? Nah...sorry, you're done. Who knows what's really what with this nicca. He can never be in GOAT convos anymore, ever, no matter how successful he is. Sorry.

 

[up in here]

Its insane that folks in here really saying backing out of a battle is worse than having entire songs ghostwritten for you over and over throughout your career.

One is an MC choosing not to battle someone they have a real relationship with, the other is someone pretending to be an MC having their songs handed to them.

The Cole shyt is clown shyt but the Drake shyt is waaaaaaay worse.

 

[Professor K.]

Its insane that folks in here really saying backing out of a battle is worse than having entire songs ghostwritten for you over and over throughout your career.

One is an MC choosing not to battle someone they have a real relationship with, the other is someone pretending to be an MC having their songs handed to them.

The Cole shyt is clown shyt but the Drake shyt is waaaaaaay worse.

It's not just what Cole did, it's how he did it. He could've easily:

1) not made a record
2) made a record in the style of False Prophets where he didn't diss so much as he took the high road
3) stood 10 toes down on what he said
4) blown it off nonchalantly like "man, I really aint worried bout that shyt, it's whatever, yall know how I rock, we off that"
5) keep the energy he had BUT chastise Kendrick for starting the shyt like "we sposeta be brothers man, idk what your problem is but we ain't gotta do it like this"
6) not wasted 87% of his bars over the last 5 years talking about how nice he is, how he's a GOAT, how he's killing everybody, etc. in the first place

Or a bunch of other ways this could've played out.

He instead decided to gas a nikka up who said "fukk your record, hope you got guns, fukk associating us together, I'm better than you" while he couldn't sleep for saying "your last album was wack, you don't drop often, and you wanna diss me now that I've gotten more attention" then said if he diss him again he's gonna take it on the chin

Drake gets knocked out of GOAT contention for making wack ass records in the first place, whether he wrote them or not. Not excusing the ghostwriting, but until I hear one of the many reference leaks be for a REAL record, I'm gonna assume he writes the real raps and pulls that bullshyt for sales.

Drake saying any variation of "I'm nice with the pen" COULD still be true....

Cole saying "yall don't want smoke wit me.... I'm not duckin no 1 on 1s" is a MUHFUKKIN LIE.

 

[Shadow King]

One of the biggest no nos in hip hop to be taken seriously as a true artist, and top emcee is having ghostwriters. Only time you should have a ghost writer is if you're name is Ghostface Killah and you're describing yourself. Second thing is biting someone's style. Those of us who really still respect these things feel the minimally talented Drake's decision to use them is more egregious. That being said, bowing out of a beef with an apology is unprecedented, and also an extremely weak move. However, from an artist perspective Drake is worse. Cats like Dre, Eazy, etc. everyone knew had ghost writers and no one was trying to put them in top emcee conversations like they do garbage ass Aubrey.

It wouldn't be as bad if his stans didn't try to force him as a top rapper ever, and accepted him as Dre or Eazy E status. Hell he's not as good as them, so Diddy status.

Pop shìt, apologize, niqqa just ask Kiss ?

I don’t think anybody looks at Drake as an emcee so the ghostwriter thing never really stuck. This ain’t 1993, dude is a huge artist who people have invested millions into. 40 is the biggest reason for his rise

As much as we can rightfully shyt on Drake for the ghostwriting, all the reference tracks have been some of his most basic songs, never "one of them ones". The Yachty record was trash before the reference leaked and those types of records are stains on him whether he wrote them or not because they're weak as fukk regardless. Until something comes out about somebody writing a timestamp track or something, then I can still give him credit for being able to really spit when he wants to. At the end of the day, love him or hate him, nobody can say Drake doesn't want the top spot like he says he does.

Cole, however, is one of the biggest liars in Hip-Hop history. He's rapped about being the nicest and the GOAT and taking out anybody more than Ross rapped about being a "boss", more than Isaiah Rashad rapped about liking p*ssy, more than Pusha rapped about moving keys, etc etc. He straight up invalidated at least 80% of his rhymes with that weak shyt and showed that he doesn't want the top spot like he said he did.

They both are egregious violators, but I respect the "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" ass nikka more than the Big Bad Wolf who does all that huffin and puffin but doesn't blow down shyt

It doesn't matter that the record we know came from QM weren't super lyrical or personal, we know success and mainstream dominance as a rapper isn't about lyrically flexing folks to death. QM gave him an aura and energy he didn't have before as a rap record performer. We can't pick and choose what records "matter" if you wrote them or not when the artist is proclaiming themselves a generational and all-time MC.

On top of this, what gets credited does not necessarily make up the whole of what was actually done. QM isn't credited for RICO and though the reference hasn't leaked also did Blessings.

 

[Loose]

Cole. Gen z don't give two fukks about who write what music. That's old head( me included) stuff. It's why drake still living today, woulda been ja rule status in the 2000s

 

[Professor K.]

Pop shìt, apologize, niqqa just ask Kiss ?



It doesn't matter that the record we know came from QM weren't super lyrical or personal, we know success and mainstream dominance as a rapper isn't about lyrically flexing folks to death. QM gave him an aura and energy he didn't have before as a rap record performer. We can't pick and choose what records "matter" if you wrote them or not when the artist is proclaiming themselves a generational and all-time MC.

On top of this, what gets credited does not necessarily make up the whole of what was actually done. QM isn't credited for RICO and though the reference hasn't leaked also did Blessings.

I feel that, but, as bad as it may be, how is that WORSE than dropping a weak diss and then taking it back while riding the nuts of the nikka who said "fukk ever associating us together" 2 days later?

fukk both of them, but cheating is more "Hip-Hop" than bytching out

 

[Shadow King]

I feel that, but, as bad as it may be, how is that WORSE than dropping a weak diss and then taking it back while riding the nuts of the nikka who said "fukk ever associating us together" 2 days later?

fukk both of them, but cheating is more "Hip-Hop" than bytching out

Yes, it's worse. Especially a whole career of it.

 

[Professor K.]

Yes, it's worse. Especially a whole career of it.

Cole has made a whole career out of saying he's the nicest out and a GOAT and would smoke anybody tho

 

[Shadow King]

Cole has made a whole career out of saying he's the nicest out and a GOAT and would smoke anybody tho

As has Drake, while not being responsible for what is likely a strong majority of his records.

Drake is worse.

 

[Flight]

Cole bowing out is the worse move…

 

[Rembrandt]

Personally, Cole apologizing. I think that was a shocking moment for literally everyone and is something that he'll never be able to live down. If he's really retiring after the fall off, then this was a very very strange way to end your legacy. I've never in my 29 years on earth seen or heard of a rapper not only apologizing, but get on stage and damn near cop pleas for being confident in their talent.

Gonna haunt him forever.

The Drake ghostwriting shyt is and will forever tarnish his legacy but impact wise, it hasn't really done much too him. J Cole's album projections immediately dropped, his own fans turned on him and he legitimately relinquished his position in the top 3.

I don't think people or him will really notice the impact until people think he's an easy target and more people start dissing him. If Sean wasn't "emotionally elevated" then this would be a perfect opportunity

 

[EzekelRAGE]

As has Drake, while not being responsible for what is likely a strong majority of his records.

You cant even say that.

 

[Shadow King]

You cant even say that.

Yes I can, and did.