What was Africa like before colonialism? any documentaries or books you can recommend

[Samori Toure]

You have a very eurocentric view of "civilization" like I already said.

The Incas and the Mayans weren't civilizations then...

The Egyptians weren't a civilization then...

Stop trying to make West Africa Europe.

Banking, taxes, and even democracy could coexist with human sacrifice and cannibalism (even though it seems cannibalism was mostly taboo).

Stop. Just stop. You have already showed that you are uneducated clown. Just stop it already.

 

[yates]

You have a very eurocentric view of "civilization" like I already said.

The Incas and the Mayans weren't civilizations then...

The Egyptians weren't a civilization then...

Stop trying to make Africa into Europe.

Banking, taxes, and even democracy could coexist with human sacrifice and cannibalism (even though it seems cannibalism was mostly taboo).

yeqh because it was the white man who invented urbanised cities and living. It was the white man who invented taxation even though the first record of a taxation system was in ancient Egypt. The white man was also the only one to develop architecture

Breh it seems like you have an insecurity with Igbo history ( which is a shame ) and you’re now projecting that onto all of west Africa.

 

[Fatboi1]

Dude could just be a cac you know

 

[Samori Toure]

Dude could just be a cac you know

At first I thought that he was, but then I began to realize that he probably is an Igbo.

 

[Prynce]

So dude saying west africans were tribal cannibals that cacs civilized?

 

[ignorethis]

yeqh because it was the white man who invented urbanised cities and living. It was the white man who invented taxation even though the first record of a taxation system was in ancient Egypt. The white man was also the only one to develop architecture

Breh it seems like you have an insecurity with Igbo history ( which is a shame ) and you’re now projecting that onto all of west Africa.

The irony lol

You guys are living failures in Eurocentric society so you have to imagine your ancestors prospered in European type societies to feel better about your own shortcomings.

While I can take pride in my elite bushman genetics, because even though 100 years ago my great-grandfather couldn't read or write, he gave birth to my grandfather who learned to read, write, and do math. In fact so well he became a successful businessman in Abia and Oga in Igbo-Ukwu, was able to send his first born to America to receive a college education, and his first born produced me, a young successful, educated 1-percenter.

There's a sense of pride "wow, we started late, and we still caught up"

Really surpassed, since Igbos are the clear cut leaders in the economic development of West Africa.

I don't have to make up a past for my people because I'm confident in the future of my people. But I realize not everybody is blessed like that.

 

[yates]

The irony lol

You guys are living failures in Eurocentric society so you have to imagine your ancestors prospered in European type societies to feel better about your own shortcomings.

While I can take pride in my elite bushman genetics, because even though 100 years ago my great-grandfather couldn't read or write, he gave birth to my grandfather who learned to read, write, and do math. In fact so well he became a successful businessman in Abia and Oga in Igbo-Ukwu, was able to send his first born to America to receive a college education, and his first born produced me, a young successful, educated 1-percenter.

There's a sense of pride "wow, we started late, and we still caught up"

Really surpassed, since Igbos are the clear cut leaders in the economic development of West Africa.

I don't have to make up a past for my people because I'm confident in the future of my people. But I realize not everybody is blessed like that.

you keep trying to make it seem as though we are the ones viewing everything from a Eurocentric lens when the reality is you’re the only one that is doing that.

your dumbass is the one here crediting white people with the basics of civilisation like urbanised living, governance, taxation, agriculture etc

literacy was not a European development either. There was written communication in igboland known as nsibidi that you would have had to be literate in to understand. I bet your dumbass didn’t know that tho

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

A chief isn't a king, oga isn't a king,

Yorubas had a title similar to "king" but if you ask the average yoruba in modern day Nigeria to name a yoruba king they cannot. The average yoruba in Nigeria doesn't know anything about yoruba history, or those guys just weren't important in their history.

The same way the average Igbo in Igboland does not care about Igbo history, hell you'll get looked at weird for trying to talk to them about the Kingdom of Nri, they haven't fully grasped the idea of writing down and repeating knowledge.

Being able to read and write effectively is still a privilege in Nigeria.

Point being, you guys are making these guys out to be bigger than what the average African thought of them.

You’re so exposed shyt’s not even funny (well it kinda is but still ).

 

[ignorethis]

you keep trying to make it seem as though we are the ones viewing everything from a Eurocentric lens when the reality is you’re the only one that is doing that.

your dumbass is the one here crediting white people with the basics of civilisation like urbanised living, governance, taxation etc

Lol you've never step foot in Africa, if you did you would know urbanization still isn't the norm in majority of it to this day.

There were Africans that had democracies before their European colonizers, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that whites brought governance to Africa.

But they brought their version of governance, problem is you think their version of government and civilization is the only valid one, so you try to fit West African cultures into Eurocentric boxes to say "look we were civilized too, just like the Europeans!"

You go as far as latching on to Arab/Islam influenced West Africans that are notable because whites decided they were notable, when the reality is if you're a descendant of slavery chances are we share common ancestry through bushmen, before a west Saharan Muslim.

Reality is outside basic human nature, we were nothing like the Europeans. And I'm proud of that unlike you guys.

 

[Samori Toure]

Lol you've never step foot in Africa, if you did you would know urbanization still isn't the norm in majority of it to this day.

There were Africans that had democracies before their European colonizers, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that whites brought governance to Africa.

But they brought their version of governance, problem is you think their version of government and civilization is the only valid one, so you try to fit West African cultures into Eurocentric boxes to say "look we were civilized too, just like the Europeans!"

You go as far as latching on to Arab/Islam influenced West Africans that are notable because whites decided they were notable, when the reality is if you're a descendant of slavery chances are we share common ancestry through bushmen, before a west Saharan Muslim.

Reality is outside basic human nature, we were nothing like the Europeans. And I'm proud of that unlike you guys.

Yes I have been to Africa. The cities are very urbanized just like anywhere else in the World.

Second of all you claim that Africans did not have democracies before European colonizers, but your dumbass did not even realize that the ManiKongo of Kongo was elected to the position by Kongo Chiefs; and in turn the Manikongo appointed people to govern territories. You simpleminded ass also didn't realize that the Mande people enacted a Constitution in 1236 called the Kouroukan Fouga, which included human rights.

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Kouroukan Fouga, la Constitution de l’Empire du Mali – la plus vieille constitution republicaine au monde?

If you are truly Igbo and you represent the viewpoint of an average Igbo person; then I have lost all respect for your people, because if you are saying that the White man brought you civilization then we are done; because they didn't bring my people shyt except misery.

 

[ignorethis]

Yes I have been to Africa. The cities are very urbanized just like anywhere else in the World.

Second of you claim that Africans did not have democracies before European colonizers, but your dumbass did not even realize that the ManiKongo of Kongo was elected to the position by Kongo Chiefs; and in turn the Manikongo appointed people to govern territories. You simpleminded ass also didn't realize that the Mande people enacted a Constitution in 1236 called the Kouroukan Fouga, which included human rights.

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Kouroukan Fouga, la Constitution de l’Empire du Mali – la plus vieille constitution republicaine au monde?

If you are truly Igbo and you represent the viewpoint of an average Igbo person; then I have lost all respect for your people, because if you are saying that the White man brought you civilization then we are done; because they didn't bring my people shyt except misery.

I literally said African had democracies before their European colonizers. Can you read?

There were Africans that had democracies before their European colonizers, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that whites brought governance to Africa.

 

[yates]

Lol you've never step foot in Africa, if you did you would know urbanization still isn't the norm in majority of it to this day.

There were Africans that had democracies before their European colonizers, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that whites brought governance to Africa.

But they brought their version of governance, problem is you think their version of government and civilization is the only valid one, so you try to fit West African cultures into Eurocentric boxes to say "look we were civilized too, just like the Europeans!"

You go as far as latching on to Arab/Islam influenced West Africans that are notable because whites decided they were notable, when the reality is if you're a descendant of slavery chances are we share common ancestry through bushmen, before a west Saharan Muslim.

Reality is outside basic human nature, we were nothing like the Europeans. And I'm proud of that unlike you guys.

Every region on this planet has its urbanised cities and its rural parts. Why would africa be any different? I’ve never disputed that people lived rurally in west Africa. This all started from you claiming west Africans were hunter gatherers ( which you still haven’t proved by the way )

we’ve already mentioned empires like the Ashanti kingdom, nok culture, Tichitt walata which had little to no foreign influence.

But here is the thing though, even if there was foreign influence, so what ? U think there is no foreign influence in European civilisation ?

Do you know that the Latin writing script we use is originally derived from the Egyptian hieroglyphs? The numeral system we use is of indo-Arabic origin and replaced the Roman numerals? The use of paper money and concept of currency is from ancient China and the Middle East. The cultivation techniques they learned from African slaves in the new world ? I could go on breh.

So many things that jokers like you assume to be of European origin. Then you turn around and call these things “European” I bet you don’t hold that foreign influence over cacs though. Nah you probably think they’re too superior to have had any foreign influence


And I’m African and West Indian and proud of my DOS heritage as well. Many of those sold into slavery were high ranking officials, chiefs, governors etc that were captured by rival tribes so being a DOS does not mean your African lineage is one of bushmen

you’re too stupid for your own good breh

 

[Samori Toure]

I literally said African had democracies before their European colonizers. Can you read?

I reread your corny shyt and you did state that there were democracies, however Europeans did not bring civilization to Africa. They brought just the opposite. They brought barbarism, carnage and a bunch of bullshyt religion.

 

[ignorethis]

I reread your corny shyt and you did state that there were democracies, however Europeans did not bring civilization to Africa. They brought just the opposite. They brought barbarism, carnage and a bunch of bullshyt religion.

I never said that either.

I said Africans had their own civilizations, and described some of them.

You then said they weren't civilizations because they didn't live up to your standard of what civilization is. Your mind short-circuited at the idea that a group could be advance in certain categories and behind in others.

It's funny all the people bring up words like savage and uncivilized are the ones arguing with me. You guys are no different than the Europeans Chinua spoke about in regards to "things fall apart", the Europeans saw us as uncivilized, but we had civilization, they just couldn't understand it.

 

[Samori Toure]

I never said that either.

I said Africans had their own civilizations, and described some of them.

You then said they weren't civilizations because they didn't live up to your standard of what civilization is. Your mind short-circuited at the idea that a group could be advance in certain categories and behind in others.

It's funny all the people bring up words like savage and uncivilized are the ones arguing with me. You guys are no different than the Europeans Chinua spoke about in regards to "things fall apart", the Europeans saw us as uncivilized, but we had civilization, they just couldn't understand it.

Now you are just making shyt up. I never said any such thing. I have been pointing out that Africans have had civilizations long before the birth of Jesus Christ.

You need to go back and reread your stupid posts where you are claiming that Africans were part of this large hunter gathers society and crazy crap like that; and the talking about how Igos were doing human sacrifices and engage in cannibalism up until the time that the Europeans came. You are just dumb all the way around not know that there was massive empires in West Africa before the Europeans.