What was Africa like before colonialism? any documentaries or books you can recommend
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Let's go back to my first post
Here is a chart which outlines the Euro countries that participated in the slave trade.
The information in the chart is supported by the data in the slave trade database
Slave Voyages
and it confirms that England was a latecomer and that they came to dominate the slave trade. In the last 75 years before 1800, NO other country had more voyages, or shipped more human beings than England. What type of wealth and what kinds of technological advances were made possible by that dominance of the slave trade?
What I was asking for specifically, was what amount of time elapsed between Euros making contact in coastal Africa and the colonization efforts. With England and West Africa, I count more than 300 years.
With Portugal and Central Africa I count more than 400 years between contact and formal colonization. and Portugal participated in the slave trade for decades after 1807, and shipped millions more human beings in that time. What type of wealth and what kinds of technological advances were made possible by 400 participation in the slave trade?
This topic was discussed in more detail in a thread from a while back but I was just saying that every map drawn, every European who learned the native language well enough to translate, every note taken about which groups were rivals, every decision to side with one group over the other, every group supplied with European made weapons, every missionary sent, every"expedition" taken in to the interior....Euros were laying the groundwork for eventual colonization.
With the development of quinine (from a source in a South American slave colony) in 1820.......Euros had eliminated one of the technological barriers to venturing into the interior of West Africa, malaria. The wealth from the slave trade fueled technological (martial and medical) innovations that put Euros in position to carve up and colonize Africa in the late 19th century......and the African people still fought and resisted.
Easily conquer? I say no.
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Let's go back to my first post
Here is a chart which outlines the Euro countries that participated in the slave trade.
The information in the chart is supported by the data in the slave trade database
Slave Voyages
and it confirms that England was a latecomer and that they came to dominate the slave trade. In the last 75 years before 1800, NO other country had more voyages, or shipped more human beings than England. What type of wealth and what kinds of technological advances were made possible by that dominance of the slave trade?
What I was asking for specifically, was what amount of time elapsed between Euros making contact in coastal Africa and the colonization efforts. With England and West Africa, I count more than 300 years.
With Portugal and Central Africa I count more than 400 years between contact and formal colonization. and Portugal participated in the slave trade for decades after 1807, and shipped millions more human beings in that time. What type of wealth and what kinds of technological advances were made possible by 400 participation in the slave trade?
This topic was discussed in more detail in a thread from a while back but I was just saying that every map drawn, every European who learned the native language well enough to translate, every note taken about which groups were rivals, every decision to side with one group over the other, every group supplied with European made weapons, every missionary sent, every"expedition" taken in to the interior....Euros were laying the groundwork for eventual colonization.
With the development of quinine (from a source in a South American slave colony) in 1820.......Euros had eliminated one of the technological barriers to venturing into the interior of West Africa, malaria. The wealth from the slave trade fueled technological (martial and medical) innovations that put Euros in position to carve up and colonize Africa in the late 19th century......and the African people still fought and resisted.
Easily conquer? I say no.
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Can you drop some more insight into the developments that came as a result of slavery?
I was just telling my homeboy that people in Europe would be shytting in ditches today if it wasn't for Africa. Europe would be a continent of a bunch of third world countries
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You're welcome.
I may have to go and do a timeline of the Euro countries to trace those developments. In the meantime. here is a clip I dropped in an earlier thread about this topic. Traces Euro colonization efforts after quinine was developed.
That’s big facts. Europe would be a total shythole without their exploitation of Africa for all these centuries. That’s why I’m not pressed to go to Europe like that. All that shyt our stolen goods anyway.
As for the OP, read How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney, Destruction of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams, Pre-Colonial Black Africa by Cheikh Anta Diop, and African Civilizations Revisited by Basil Davidson.
If you don’t like books and prefer videos then look up Basil Davidson’s docs on YouTube. He’s prolly the only cac I’ll truly vouch for on African history.
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If parties are interested in learning about African ethnic groups then there is a very good blog called Tracing African Roots.
There are links on the site for slave voyages, the history of the slave trade, African kingdoms, etc. Very, very detailed for Africans and Africans in the diaspora.
Tracing African Roots
There are links on the site for slave voyages, the history of the slave trade, African kingdoms, etc. Very, very detailed for Africans and Africans in the diaspora.
Tracing African Roots
@ignorethis , I'm a bit confused with the points you've put here. How are Igbos hunter-gatherers when they have historically looked down on hunter-gatherers and nomadic people?
They have always been since known history been staunch agriculturalists which can be seen by the massive population density of their nation, which was at a time thought to be the highest in Africa after the Nile valley.
They have always been since known history been staunch agriculturalists which can be seen by the massive population density of their nation, which was at a time thought to be the highest in Africa after the Nile valley.
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What the fukk is up with somebody claiming majority of central/west Africans were bushmen hunter-gatherers? Bantu groups established centralized forms of government in East, Central and Southern Africa due to iron working and tilling the land/clearing forests capabilities. How can he claim that African Kings had no influence over a large area when some of us are in the countries we are today because we had to run on foot from Neighbouring countries just to avoid being annihlated. This was followed up by clearing large tracts of forest land, building up villages, granaries and footpaths, searching for trade routes and opportunities, and organising yourself politically on a chieftain status. If this were true, we could have just set up shop in one of the vassal states(comprising of a large group of villages), not walk 500 km Eastwards.
If your ancestor was a bushman, then sorry since our great great-grandfathers were iron workers and intensive farmers. Hunting wild animals(for commercial/religious purposes) makes someone a bushman? Slavery targeted bushmen? Not villages? Africans need to know their history, this is embarrassing.
What the fukk is up with somebody claiming majority of central/west Africans were bushmen hunter-gatherers? Bantu groups established centralized forms of government in East, Central and Southern Africa due to iron working and tilling the land/clearing forests capabilities. How can he claim that African Kings had no influence over a large area when some of us are in the countries we are today because we had to run on foot from Neighbouring countries just to avoid being annihlated. This was followed up by clearing large tracts of forest land, building up villages, granaries and footpaths, searching for trade routes and opportunities, and organising yourself politically on a chieftain status. If this were true, we could have just set up shop in one of the vassal states(comprising of a large group of villages), not walk 500 km Eastwards.
If your ancestor was a bushman, then sorry since our great great-grandfathers were iron workers and intensive farmers. Hunting wild animals(for commercial/religious purposes) makes someone a bushman? Slavery targeted bushmen? Not villages? Africans need to know their history, this is embarrassing.
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Pre colonial Africa
We were very happy before the pale skins arrived..
Books on Pre Colonial Africa..I know tonnes of them.
Primary authors to check out, Cheikh Anta Diop, Theophillus Obenga, Ivan Van Sertima, Jochannan, Christopher Ehret.
Just a few I like..
Books on Pre Colonial Africa..I know tonnes of them.
Primary authors to check out, Cheikh Anta Diop, Theophillus Obenga, Ivan Van Sertima, Jochannan, Christopher Ehret.
Just a few I like..
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Secure Da Bag
Veteran
We were very happy before the pale skins arrived..
Books on Pre Colonial Africa..I know tonnes of them.
Primary authors to check out, Cheikh Anta Diop, Theophillus Obenga, Ivan Van Sertima, Jochannan, Christopher Ehret.
Just a few I like..
I was gonna ask for a pound or two, You edited before I could ask. lol.