BelowTheMasonDixon
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Using this logic people would have quit going to the plays of the middle ages.
What ruined Marvel comics?
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Using this logic people would have quit going to the plays of the middle ages.
The bolded would be true if Manga wasn't taking over the culture and dominating the charts.
I'm surprised how many young black men are into manga and anime. And it's not just nerds.
RDCWorld are like the most popular black content creators and heavy into that shyt and they ain't bytchless incels.
Marvel got to get back on their shyt. People buying Manga in America.
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IIVI
Superstar
Haven't really been paying much attention to comics lately, but they need to make the X-Men lead the charge again. They simply seemed so much more interesting.
Miss the Gold/Blue team and early 90's eras.
Miss the Gold/Blue team and early 90's eras.
Pull Up the Roots
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Event fatigue is definitely a problem. Every time you look around there's a new event with some big bad threatening everything and every time it ends in a whimper. And they almost always have to tie-in with every other currently running book and it's just too much. It's a huge turnoff.
Days of Future Piff
Superstar
You're not wrong. Hunter x Hunter, One Piece, Fullmetal Alchemist, Yu Yu Hakusho, Jojo, DBZ, and Berserk
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
This goes to the point earlier. Manga actually has narrative consistency. Also, characters age, die and have kids. They actually live lives and don’t stay stuck in the same regurgitated stories and problems.
I teach English in Japan and I asked a kid what their favorite anime was and they said Boruto. I was watching Naruto almost 20 years ago and that nicca had kids and a family just like me. Now his jit is front and center.
Meanwhile, Frankin Richards was a toddler for gotdamn 50 years lmao.
You get these one off stories of old superhero’s, Old Man Logan, Kingdom Come, Dark Knight Returns etc that are incredibly popular and legendary, why not run with it?
WhenWeWereKings
All Star
Ruined? I think we're a bit hyperbolic. However I think, consistent quality has been lacking.
Now with that out of the way...
I think the biggest problem with Marvel Comics is over the past few years is that their biggest titles have gone through some long creative ruts and become stagnant.
Go ahead. Name me the last really epic, memorable, classic or critically acclaimed Avengers (Hickman's run?), Iron Man (shyt Ellis' run?), Captain America (Brubaker?), Spider-Man (Slott?), Black Panther (Hudlin?), Fantastic Four (Hickman) run or storyline.
Now that Immortal Hulk has ended what current book is having anything close to a classic run? Daredevil and Thor? (Both titles have been consistently good for years.)
To me, there's just a lack of fresh and innovative ideas.
That's not to say there aren't any quality titles. But producing memorable or classic runs have been severely lacking especially from their big titles. Love it or hate it, at least the X-Men line has been revitalized, although some of the books have been hit or miss. However the over all concept definitely has most people intrigued.
Now with that out of the way...
I think the biggest problem with Marvel Comics is over the past few years is that their biggest titles have gone through some long creative ruts and become stagnant.
Go ahead. Name me the last really epic, memorable, classic or critically acclaimed Avengers (Hickman's run?), Iron Man (shyt Ellis' run?), Captain America (Brubaker?), Spider-Man (Slott?), Black Panther (Hudlin?), Fantastic Four (Hickman) run or storyline.
Now that Immortal Hulk has ended what current book is having anything close to a classic run? Daredevil and Thor? (Both titles have been consistently good for years.)
To me, there's just a lack of fresh and innovative ideas.
That's not to say there aren't any quality titles. But producing memorable or classic runs have been severely lacking especially from their big titles. Love it or hate it, at least the X-Men line has been revitalized, although some of the books have been hit or miss. However the over all concept definitely has most people intrigued.
- Too many confusing alternate timelines and convoluted stories
- Too many characters constantly dying/coming back to life
- Too many reboots and #1's, so regular people don't know where to start
- Too many villains becoming good guys, so the heroes have no one left to fight but each other
- Comics and general are trying too hard to be Watchmen. Edgelords messed the game up
- The suits forcing writers to push/sabotage certain characters b/c of the movie rights
These ^^^
Even though I can only pick 3, I'll sum up my answers.
All the "events" since the last Secret Wars was the fight off bad sales--along with the constant reboots (even Captain Marvel was getting rebooted a handful of times)--so, the comics cannot retain talent and the hacks take over.
The movies fukked up canon/continuity because they don't understand the comic and film audience isn't the same, so, they will try to make any change the movies have. Example, T. Coates changed the Black Panther comics to fit with the movie.
They fukked up X-Men and flopped HARD with Inhumans because of the movie rights. We haven't had any great F4 runs for he same reason.
Because ppl all want to "speak on the moment," they miss the part of comics being about comic book. Yes, talk about the times. But, they had Sam Wilson fighting Border Patrol and going on Twitter dealing with #NotMyCaptainAmerica every issue, not, actually being a super hero. Which is the biggest problem with black superheroes--we always being tortured by white people.
She-Hulk had perfect art, but, they always threw in some men hating shyt. I love female superheroes, but, I cannot read a book without some white women or black feminist putting that in there.
Cool with a book or two, but, damn near every female comic character is a version of 3 women.
"Wokeness" isn't a problem, it's a symptom of the problem.
This dude;
is writting Blade, but, he also wrote this horseshyt;
Bonus: Stop switching out characters with their friends (Electra was Daredevil) or their kids (Miles--I could never get into his books because they all were rehashes of old. Spiderman stories) or mentees (Ironheart).
Did that comic even come out?
Bro, these companies can't even do a straight 100 issue series.
That's a pipe dream. They either get low sales and they want that Issue #1 stimulus or they reset the whole damn universe.
You're right.
Saga is like that, where you see their whole relationship develop and the main character actually has the baby and raises it and the baby grows up and shyt.
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Example; the Joker has been ruined because they want him front and center. But, they've had have do so much evil (canonically) that he's no longer the Clown Prince of Crime, he's litterally a damn devil (hell, I think they wrote THAT into the canon).
I want a story where Batman finally kills the Joker and how that effects Gotham, his family, the other folk.
I remember ready Death of the Family (the one where he cuts his face off) and thinking;
They making this muh'fukka too evil, now.
I miss funny Joker...now everybody tryna be Heath (RIP).
But, they can't write that story because they spent so little time developing other villians. I'm surprised they stuck with City of Bane as long as they did.
I want an epic Mr. Freeze storyline
You're not wrong. Hunter x Hunter, One Piece, Fullmetal Alchemist, Yu Yu Hakusho, Jojo, DBZ, and Berserk
It's crazy, I'm 33 and grew up on WB Saturday mornings and Spider-Man cartoon movies and Batman and X-Men.
I wake up and the young brehs talmbout Naurato and Hunter/Hunter and I don't get that shyt.
I wanna read Berzerk, but, that shyt go a lil too far...I watched a lil bit of the anime clips and that shyt looks RAW
The Esclipse had me emotional and I don't really know the characters that well....fukk, I wish comic books went that hard
Red Shield
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Too many events too quickly with not enough build up
Too many resets
Wrong creative teams being placed on titles
The tumblrification for awhile in the 2010s. This is still there but nowhere near as bad
Too many resets
Wrong creative teams being placed on titles
The tumblrification for awhile in the 2010s. This is still there but nowhere near as bad
Red Shield
Global Domination
Yeah.. but manga/anime always has an ending planned. So you get a beginning, middle, ending.
Comics with big characters like Spidey, Wolve, Batman, Supes.. characters that their endings will only ever be alternate universe/elseworlds shyt
There are upsides and downsides to that I guess
Red Shield
Global Domination
Nope. It was clowned to Bolivia
was what one of the last overt "tumblr" comics marvel had planned.
safespace and snowflake if I remember correctly
