What ruined Marvel comics?

[Mowgli]

The shytty writing.

I've seen panels literally repeat the same dialogue from the previous panel with new art.

They really don't expect people to read this shyt.

The dialogue can be corny as fukk. Like yes this is for children I'm a clown.

Read any dialogue from cable. They don't have enough writers with a talent for dialogue.

 

[Adonis]

MCU Synergy

Too many Events

Reboots

Retcons

Too many new characters being pushed

 

[Piff Perkins]

By "Preachy Politics", I'm not talking about Days of Future Past, Genosha, Magneto Surviving the Holocaust, or Cap punching out Hitler.

I'm talking about stories/moments like this:

Like the writer has good intentions, but they're trying WAY too hard.
There's nothing wrong with getting political in and of itself. Changing a hero's identity can also be great when done correctly (like Rhodey becoming Iron Man for example). Just tell good stories.

Comics been doing shyt like this since the 70s. Only thing that changed is white male fans getting angry and crying about it online.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Not letting the older characters grow/die/have families/retire.

I never understood why comic writers never let their characters grow and have actual conclusions to their stories. If you actually concluded some of these characters arcs you would have more room to introduce new characters and lore without just making a female Thor or Iron man.

A great story would be Spider-man realizing he’s stuck in purgatory forever where he is also going to be a struggling 20 something.

 

[R=G]

They had Spider Man make a deal with the devil..lol

 

[Mr. Negative]

marvel, as a whole, were ruined by four things:

Too many "events"

Changing established history, continuity, characters and storylines to more match those in movies and TV shows and expecting longtime readers to like it.

Bendis

Tom Brevoort

edited: cause misspelled Tom Brevoort's name, just in case anybody tries to google it via copy paste. Not that it deserves to be spelled right.

 

[Uncle Baby Billy]

They only have 2 kinds of stories now:
1) Heroes Vs Heroes
2) Mash-ups (Most prominently Jason Aaron)

 

[Primetime]

Generally speaking comics are a lot like WWE. The creatives are white dudes, making all the best character concepts white-paletted, and are mostly stuck in their tone deaf white male nostalgia.

So the idea of some better, magical time is a bit of a fallacy tbh. It was never great for black n brown ppl.

“Make Comics Great Again” :BPpls: etc etc

That said, 2 things of note:

1. It was roughly 25 years ago where they decided Spider-Man needed to stop aging. He was about to enter fatherhood but they scrapped that and then later his marriage. They no longer had any incentive to continue down logical paths for marquee characters that might “age” said characters out of their money-making prime.

2. Roughly 18 years ago, Bendis happened and his New Avengers run revolutionized (or commercialized) the Avengers brand… and popularized the stacking of big company-wide events one after the other. Initially there was decent to great build up in between but at some point, the build ups became half assed and all that mattered to creatives was getting to the event.

 

[RhymesWell]

Too many events and killing off the X Men for a while

 

[filial_piety]

hmmm...i consider myself a pretty big collector....

i personally think from a collectors POV....the worst thing is the CGC/Grading system combined with new collectors (who gained interest from the movies)...they have totally inflated the prices...driving demand up, and pitting slabbed against raw prices of everything

if somethng use to cost $50....now you'll find it for $250+

as far as story development goes....it's never been better...but the constant reboot is annoying as fuk....how many "Amazing Spidermans" can they do over and over again

I went to the comic store just yesterday...and there was Amazing Spiderman, Ben Reilly SPiderman, Spiderman 2099, Non-Stop Spiderman, Spider Punk, Miles Morales Spiderman (the one i actually follow) etc etc....same goes with all the major characters

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

They only have 2 kinds of stories now:
1) Heroes Vs Heroes
2) Mash-ups (Most prominently Jason Aaron)

they have absolutely drained this well since Civil War

 

[Renkz]

A lot that has been said can apply to dc comics, too. They're doing another crisis

 

[The Mad Titan]

The MCU

 

[Amo Husserl]

They had Spider Man make a deal with the devil..lol

I couldn't get with that, and reading it issue to issue was disappointing. He got that far because of Ben's death as a motivating factor now he's making deals with Mephisto to bring back Aunt May at the expense of his marriage? What happened to great power and great responsibility.



Writers clearly didn't know what they were doing with the Civil War if they didn't consider how it would affect a flagship title. He broke into prison to catch a fair one with Fisk behind the hit and all of a sudden he's making deals with the devil?



Should have just left Speedball to the New Warriors plot and made it an isolated event based around Nitro and some deeper plot ending with the New Warriors becoming something like the Defenders. Then they throw Nitro in the Sub-Mariner six-part...

 

[Easy-E]

• Too many confusing alternate timelines and convoluted stories
• Too many characters constantly dying/coming back to life
• Too many reboots and #1's, so regular people don't know where to start
• Too many villains becoming good guys, so the heroes have no one left to fight but each other
• Comics and general are trying too hard to be Watchmen. Edgelords messed the game up
• The suits forcing writers to push/sabotage certain characters b/c of the movie rights

These ^^^

Even though I can only pick 3, I'll sum up my answers.

All the "events" since the last Secret Wars was the fight off bad sales--along with the constant reboots (even Captain Marvel was getting rebooted a handful of times)--so, the comics cannot retain talent and the hacks take over.

The movies fukked up canon/continuity because they don't understand the comic and film audience isn't the same, so, they will try to make any change the movies have. Example, T. Coates changed the Black Panther comics to fit with the movie.

They fukked up X-Men and flopped HARD with Inhumans because of the movie rights. We haven't had any great F4 runs for he same reason.

Because ppl all want to "speak on the moment," they miss the part of comics being about comic book. Yes, talk about the times. But, they had Sam Wilson fighting Border Patrol and going on Twitter dealing with #NotMyCaptainAmerica every issue, not, actually being a super hero. Which is the biggest problem with black superheroes--we always being tortured by white people.

She-Hulk had perfect art, but, they always threw in some men hating shyt. I love female superheroes, but, I cannot read a book without some white women or black feminist putting that in there.

Cool with a book or two, but, damn near every female comic character is a version of 3 women.

"Wokeness" isn't a problem, it's a symptom of the problem.

This dude;

is writting Blade, but, he also wrote this horseshyt;

Bonus: Stop switching out characters with their friends (Electra was Daredevil) or their kids (Miles--I could never get into his books because they all were rehashes of old Spiderman stories) or mentees (Ironheart).