What ruined Marvel comics?

[Amo Husserl]

I understand your point but I think the difference of the style of animation from something like castelvania compared to my hero academia would not influence the large disparities we are seeing between comic books and manga. The animation of the most iconic manga may have helped them spread past Japanese borders but it was only after they became popular in black and white in Japan first and even then due to translation houses most people get scans of manga long before they are animated and show their friends which was my case with my hero academia.

I mean look at one punch man and mob psycho both excellent stories that started as a webcomic by One and he can’t draw. What set it apart was the messaging of those stories, of the development of those characters. The popularity of those webcomics got the manga industry to give him an artist to draw his works for him so he could publish them in their books which lead to their animation once they maintained their popularity in the manga format.

In the nineties X-men and Spider-Man where selling damn near a million comics. I think spawn 300 hit a million comics. Spider-man doesn’t need to end they just need to stop trying to act like it is the 1980s and that he is a single broke college student. Him settling down and having kids works because of the huge fanbase Mayday Parker has.

You look at the art in something like immortal hulk and the story in it was A plus the explanation of why it wasn’t doing manga numbers can’t be the art. Or when house of x and power of x had a good story and good art was when they were released they were doing big numbers but nothing like manga. We like to say manga but if we are being real we are talking about Shonen which are really just battle comics and they focus on the same demographics as American comic books.

I think animation isn’t really the issue, young justice is also popular and features dc super heroes. Disney’s Pixar format is still really popular even in Tokyo where disneysea is argued as one of the best disney parks in the world. I think direct market issues, the varying writers and artist that make the quality of a book vary widely and the cost of the books impact them more than the quality of the books being animated even though I agree that japans animation is better.

I see. I see Japanese animation from the mid-80s to the end of the 90s superior in technical ability. Animation.

The lack of diversity from mainstay titles not ending was what I was getting at. Spider-Man in any iteration is too much now, we know he's going to have personal problems and fight supervillains. It's tired if you ask me. This is coming from someone who finds conventional storytelling tired. In an earlier post I mentioned wanting low concept out of Marvel, low concept isn't profitable, 1980s Spider-Man appears to be either profitable or lazy maybe a combination of both.

I will give it to you, that the art has been consistently developed. Not the Tumblr artists but the art from the era in my OP. When I say manga, I mean manga. Ultra Heaven, Path of the Assassin, and Sanctuary are seinen and gekiga. My preference is with older styles because they look better to my eye.

It's the genesis in many ways to what we see now in anime/manga. My preference is with Japanese art in a print or animated format, it looks better to my eye because I see it as being technically superior and more expressive in its qualities.

Leinil Francis Yu is a great artist:

But until I see this animated with the same attention to detail, I'm going with anime/manga.

 

[nightwing2016]

I see. I see Japanese animation from the mid-80s to the end of the 90s superior in technical ability. Animation.

The lack of diversity from mainstay titles not ending was what I was getting at. Spider-Man in any iteration is too much now, we know he's going to have personal problems and fight supervillains. It's tired if you ask me. This is coming from someone who finds conventional storytelling tired. In an earlier post I mentioned wanting low concept out of Marvel, low concept isn't profitable, 1980s Spider-Man appears to be either profitable or lazy maybe a combination of both.

I will give it to you, that the art has been consistently developed. Not the Tumblr artists but the art from the era in my OP. When I say manga, I mean manga. Ultra Heaven, Path of the Assassin, and Sanctuary are seinen and gekiga. My preference is with older styles because they look better to my eye.

It's the genesis in many ways to what we see now in anime/manga. My preference is with Japanese art in a print or animated format, it looks better to my eye because I see it as being technically superior and more expressive in its qualities.

Leinil Francis Yu is a great artist:

But until I see this animated with the same attention to detail, I'm going with anime/manga.

Good stuff man, I like ultra heaven and I get where you are coming from. I have had an issue for a lot of marvel’s art for a while now. It is just manga is far more diverse and when you get into senin the demographic changes and while it is great it isn’t the main genre of manga consumed by Americans.

And you are right marvel and dc need to step up their animated productions. I think marvel is just more focused on live action stuff at the moment and don’t really care about animation.

 

[Kooley_High]

Honestly I think it comes down to the industry and the format of selling comics.

I picked up an issue of Ironheart and it even was referring to events in a previous Iron Man comic about her origin. It was #1 but not even her true origin story.
I tried reading Miles’ Spiderman and got hit with a “random event” inserted inside the book with barely any context of whats happening. (Confused? Buy the other comics )
Not only that seeing so many teams, #1s, alternate covers makes the comic aisle so hard to navigate. Page count and price is another reason as well.

Manga and fiction novels are just more organized, cheaper, and diverse in genre tbh. Its so easy to pick up a copy of DBZ, Demon Slayer, Harry Potter, Wheel of Time etc for $7-$12 and 200+ pages. No confusion, just start at #1. Not only that but theres a constant influx of new characters and stories without the repetitive reboots and mashups.

As for the political aspect, I don't think its as much as an issue but if your inserting things inside a story that takes the reader out if engagement or comes across corny, then you arent doing it right.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

A lot that has been said can apply to dc comics, too. They're doing another crisis

Jesus

FINAL CRISIS SHOULD'VE BEEN EXACTLY THAT

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Multi-verses and all that bullshyt. That particular shyt is the death knell to any type of fiction in my opinion.

 

[David_TheMan]

Lack of editorial control, shytty writers, poor artists, terrible woke writers and politics

 

[Art Barr]

Marvel has been trash ever since the image guys left.

Then they let that hack quesada run shyt and it made it worse.
Till where we are now.
Which is comics are not even readable.



Art Barr

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Becoming mainstream
Same with DC

 

[Kenny West]

Too many timelines and reboots
Largely inaccessible direct market
Loads of wack characters

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

shytty writers
Becoming too BECAUSE comics and throwing silly shyt in instead of telling serious stories

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

Always been boring in my opinion