What is white flight and why is it so effective?

[Blackking]

If you really think about it white flight is a good thing....

only good because of the separation.. you know that's not where it ends though.

 

[NZA]

well, imo.... It could be a good thing... but

White flight is when ethnically and racially mixed areas (usually urban centers) have a mass exodus of CAC and whites to the surrounding areas. The became a common thing when the was a black exodus from the South the industrial jobs of the North during the 50's 60's 70's.

The problems occur NOT because the CAC population is more educated. And fyi, there are reasons for the education gap-- that do not included black simply are 'anti academic'.

The problems happen because of racial politics and tax dollars. Resources are removed along with white flight. Many of the whites who leave still work in the urban areas of Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc... but then pay taxes and live in the other cac heavy areas. economic restructuring happens in the left behind areas because manufacturing fails and is replaced by service industries. The left behind people can't maintain the property of the area with all the other political fukkery that also ends up happening over the years. Educational, economic, and political disenfranchisement happens after a white flight occurs.

-when you don't own property as a community you suffer... Mortgage and bank discrimination has been found in every case of white flight- banks, government institutions, etc have denied loans n shyt to the black and brown people who populate certain areas. (this helps CAC decades later when they decided to move back in with Gentrification aka white flight back)

-politically -property laws and restrictive convents are maddd slick ways to fukk over blacks and brown people into condensing in to ghettos. Chicago, LA, and NY are known for this. Of course we give 100% of our vote one way anyway, and we aren't usually the funders of politicians so this will always happen.

-drug laws, military representation in 60's , failed industries, drug wars, legal discrimination, police manipulation make the areas--- nearly void of families and males who aren't involved in some type of drug or justice system process.

-for the most part in the south n other areas black legally couldn't move to white areas once whites moved away -1930-1950s. The domino effect of that is felt today. Today the highways roads n shyt are literally designed to block urban people from cac.
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this doesn't have to be a bad thing. life would be better if you had the option to only deal with 'your own' .... but history and mental brainwashing makes our oppression self perpetuating.

cant really say it much better than this. white flight is a mutli-pronged attack on nonwhites that involves some top down manipulation (such as redlining) with grassroots cacery (whites leaving when blacks move in)

because it involves local white politicians and power brokers, the problems that result will not simply be due to low education among minorities, especially since educated blacks and latinos tend to move when things get too bad anyway. to be brutally honest, i havent lived in the "barrio" of south pheonix since i started college and have not moved back either after graduating, so im a part of the problem as well.

there is a power element that minorities tend to lack. we need to address that first. im thinking that starting businesses in our areas that at least partially rely on federal contracts is a good way to sidestep cac aggression since they often have strict quotas and racial rules. this is not something to stick with forever, but you have to crawl before you walk, asians started with laundry, fried rice shacks, and hair weave...

on a side note, south phoenix was partially gentrified once i left. it's almost like they were waiting for me to go

 

[Uncle Kingpin]

America created the problem, so why shouldnt America fix them? Why are black people treated as quarantined animals who need to simply "figure it out"? Black people didnt create these problems on our own. Its an American shame, that deserves American solutions.

The white man isn't going to solve our problems, especially when he created them. You should stick to the things you know about, like defending hoes and frequenting gay bars, not macroeconomics of the black community. 400 years of experience with these devils should be enough to know any so-called solutions they provide will only benefit them. We dont need their help, we need to help ourselves. We need to practice group economics and take responsibility for our community.

 

[Blackout]

We need to demand our reparations for slavery.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

The white man isn't going to solve our problems, especially when he created them. You should stick to the things you know about, like defending hoes and frequenting gay bars, not macroeconomics of the black community. 400 years of experience with these devils should be enough to know any so-called solutions they provide will only benefit them. We dont need their help, we need to help ourselves. We need to practice group economics and take responsibility for our community.

Again...why should any respectable, educated, successful, and enlightened black person feel any sense of obligation or responsibility towards the plights of struggling black communities, any more than the average white person? Why should a prosperous black person align themselves with a bytch ass, sniveling, ignorant, weakling like you who wastes his days promoting bile online at the expense of everyone but himself? We're supposed to align with you, and save you, simply because of your skin color?

You want to smear black women as "hoes", and yet lecture me about some messy "pro black" nonsense, which is really just disguised by self-interested, pseudo-intellectualism. You're a light in the ass dikkhead. I consider you cut from the same cloth as any other racist white boy. Get off mine, and get yours.

 

[theworldismine13]

well, your bottom line is incorrect because I haven't presented a solution that involved white people.. and I believe I said twice in my first post the segregation could be a good thing... actually I believe since sohh Ive said probably around 100 times that the solution doesn't involve white people.

You're making shyt up because you clearly don't understand the situation about white flight, economics, or education.

Your post make me think that you're a cac, seriously. Your hype of white people as having this "academic culture" lol. They fukking don't. Black people don't have this "anti academic culture" either. I attended 3 universities and 1 highschool with over 90% cac and I can say for sure that they do not have a academic culture... they simply have a few more opportunities and a few less historical stigmas and brainwashings... NTM they don't have political and economic disenfranchisement.

White flight is called white flight because it literrally was based on social-racial ideologies and cac not wanting to live around blacks..... Sure the white leaving wouldn't have mattered and probably would be a good thing if that didn't come along with all the affects of 'urban decay (that you clearly can not grasp).

You don't want to call it white flight because like I said simply minded imbeciles make the claim that describing a real life situation means describing a need for whites.

ntm, after slavery up until the 50 the wealth gap was crazy and the access to good education and opportunity gaps were even worse. So how is it black people fault that white flight occurred.. or that the masses of blacks weren't positions to rise to high education and economic levels.


Anyone who has studied urban development knows that he areas become immediately impoverished and shytted on once white flight happens... And please- Stop being a fakkit and realize that one of the main causes of white flight was because blacks started having access to great education and high paying jobs.. they moved into the nicer areas that matched they social economic levels... Whites didn't like this ... that's what caused the urban white flight. Us trying to gain education and more opportunity is what lead to WHITE FLIGHT in the first place fakkit.

regurgitating or detailing the problems isnt a solution, you can describe any problem in the black community including "white flight" and at the end of the day the real problem breaks down to education and culture

i wasnt even denying the problems of white flight, i have a problem with the way its construed and they way black politicians and black communities have reacted to it

if your ideas and solutions dont involve white people then white people leaving should be neither here nor there

if for example you say that white flight causes bad schools, then what is your solution for fixing the bad schools aside from inviting white people into fix it?

 

[theworldismine13]

Again...why should any respectable, educated, successful, and enlightened black person feel any sense of obligation or responsibility towards the plights of struggling black communities, any more than the average white person? Why should a prosperous black person align themselves with a bytch ass, sniveling, ignorant, weakling like you who wastes his days promoting bile online at the expense of everyone but himself? We're supposed to align with you, and save you, simply because of your skin color? You're a light in the ass dikkhead. Get off mine, and get yours.

you can flip it anyway you want, but face reality, you do not believe black people can develop strong prosperous communities without white people

your embrace of white liberalism has caused you to also embrace the notion that white people are key

 

[Uncle Kingpin]

Again...why should any respectable, educated, successful, and enlightened black person feel any sense of obligation or responsibility towards the plights of struggling black communities, any more than the average white person? Why should a prosperous black person align themselves with a bytch ass, sniveling, ignorant, weakling like you who wastes his days promoting bile online at the expense of everyone but himself? We're supposed to align with you, and save you, simply because of your skin color? You're a light in the ass dikkhead. Get off mine, and get yours.

First of all pause all that talk of ass and dikkheads, i'm tolerant of your lifestyle as long as you leave me out of it, and i wont let you shame me for being heterosexual. Attitudes like yours, "why should i care?", is exactly why we're still in such a poor condition as a people.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

First of all pause all that talk of ass and dikkheads, i'm tolerant of your lifestyle as long as you leave me out of it, and i wont let you shame me for being heterosexual. Attitudes like yours, "why should i care?", is exactly why we're still in such a poor condition as a people.

Ive made no mention of your sexual orientation, yet you smear me as a "homosexual" for no reason, simply because I was in the company of gay people over a year ago, and because I dont share blinding hatred over those who are of a different sexual persuasion. You also smeared me because I defend black women, and dont go out of my way to call them names --- yet, you feel qualified to speak on issues of community, togetherness, and mutual respect for the other. Racists put conditions and judgments on other people unlike themselves... you do exactly the same, yet you somehow feel you're different. Your prejudice manifests itself in slightly different ways, but its all the same

 

[Uncle Kingpin]

Ive made no mention of your sexual orientation, yet you smear me as a "homosexual" for no reason, simply because I was in the company of gay people over a year ago, and because I dont share blinding hatred over those who are of a different sexual persuasion. You also smeared me because I defend black women, and dont go out of my way to call them names --- yet, you feel qualified to speak on issues of community, togetherness, and mutual respect for the other. Racists put conditions and judgments on other people unlike themselves... you do exactly the same, yet you somehow feel you're somehow different. Your prejudice manifests itself in slightly different ways, but its all the same

We all prejudge, it's human nature. You typed alot of words to not say much, the fact remains you have no viable solutions or even anything constructive to add to the discussion about white flight and it's effects. You suggest we wait for the white man to solve our problems, but i bet you cant provide one example of that ever working. I on the other hand can give you many examples of group economics working for people who were otherwise marginalized due to race /ethnicity. Jews, Asians, etc.

 

[Brown_Pride]

education is directly tied to income, income is directly tied to tax dollars, so the fundamental problem is education not tax dollars, tax dollars is just a derivative of the education problem

the point is white flight is not really a problem and IMO people should stop describing the education gap (which is the real problem) that way, it shouldn't be described as white flight because it implies that the solution to the problem is to bring white people back in

chicken egg issues. Can fix education without taxes, can't get enough taxes without education.... the core problem is there are multiple issues affecting other equally important problems.

 

[theworldismine13]

chicken egg issues. Can fix education without taxes, can't get enough taxes without education.... the core problem is there are multiple issues affecting other equally important problems.

i disagree, you fix education by fixing the culture, although it helps to have it you dont need taxes or money to do that

 

[Blackking]

regurgitating or detailing the problems isnt a solution, you can describe any problem in the black community including "white flight" and at the end of the day the real problem breaks down to education and culture

i wasnt even denying the problems of white flight, i have a problem with the way its construed and they way black politicians and black communities have reacted to it

if your ideas and solutions dont involve white people then white people leaving should be neither here nor there

if for example you say that white flight causes bad schools, then what is your solution for fixing the bad schools aside from inviting white people into fix it?

 

[Brown_Pride]

cant really say it much better than this. white flight is a mutli-pronged attack on nonwhites that involves some top down manipulation (such as redlining) with grassroots cacery (whites leaving when blacks move in)

because it involves local white politicians and power brokers, the problems that result will not simply be due to low education among minorities, especially since educated blacks and latinos tend to move when things get too bad anyway. to be brutally honest, i havent lived in the "barrio" of south pheonix since i started college and have not moved back either after graduating, so im a part of the problem as well.

there is a power element that minorities tend to lack. we need to address that first. im thinking that starting businesses in our areas that at least partially rely on federal contracts is a good way to sidestep cac aggression since they often have strict quotas and racial rules. this is not something to stick with forever, but you have to crawl before you walk, asians started with laundry, fried rice shacks, and hair weave...

on a side note, south phoenix was partially gentrified once i left. it's almost like they were waiting for me to go

oh for sure it was, central phoenix too. It's funny i was down near 7th street in that "historic" area near downtown. When I was a kid those were all crack houses and THE GHETTO, now they are "Historical" and expensive as fuk. Same thing with the southside. Most of my family grew up around 19th and baseline where all those sub division went in during the bubble. What's funny is that they sold all types of people houses with adjustable rates to get them in and then when the bubbles popped all those houses got forclosed on, essentially fuking everyone's credit for years.

It was done so slick you can't help but feel it was done on purpose.

 

[Brown_Pride]

i disagree, you fix education by fixing the culture, although it helps to have it you dont need taxes or money to do that

how do you fix culture?