What is white flight and why is it so effective?

[Uncle Kingpin]

White flight in the 50's was when cacs moved to the burbs to get away from the blacks, white flight in 2014 is to either the more rural parts or to the rapidly gentrifying certain urban areas (usually artsy areas, near museums, nightlife, universities or downtown). It is so effective because whites circulate money infinitely within their community, while blacks give our money back to the white man faster than we can make it.

 

[theworldismine13]

Whats up with all these convenient measures of segregation? Here I am thinking these are problems involving Americans, which should involve solutions from Americans. You're not being intellectually honest of course...

im glad you admitted in a round about way that you really have no ideas or solutions that dont involve white people, that is a result of you swallowing white liberalism lock stock and barrel and that is why i would advise all black people to not follow that intellectual path, its a dead end

im all for americans joining up and working to solve our problems, im just not down for a political philosophy that makes the future of black people dependent on that happening

 

[No_bammer_weed]

im glad you admitted in a round about way that you really have no ideas or solutions that dont involve white people, that is a result of you swallowing white liberalism lock stock and barrel and that is why i would advise all black people to not follow that intellectual path, its dead end

im all for americans joining up and working to solve our problems, im just not down for a political philosophy that makes the future of black people dependent on that happening

America created the problem, so why shouldnt America fix them? Why are black people treated as quarantined animals who need to simply "figure it out"? Black people didnt create these problems on our own. Its an American shame, that deserves American solutions.

You're obviously being disingenuous and trying to for white folks as usual. You dont think white americans should be bothered with helping to mitigate substandard conditions of other Americans, simply because they happen to be of a different color. New deal economic arraignments, which were a boon to white households and communities, were as American as apple pie. Now these are mechanisms of economics that cant even be discussed. Its just such a shame how we allow racism to compromise the lives of all people. People will argue against reason and sanity simply because of the hue of the group or persons involved.

 

[Starman]

http://news.yahoo.com/trader-joe-39-drops-black-neighborhood-store-plan-224732374.html

Is gentrification a bigger problem than White Flight?

 

[Blackking]

education is directly tied to income, income is directly tied to tax dollars, so the fundamental problem is education not tax dollars, tax dollars is just a derivative of the education problem

the point is white flight is not really a problem and IMO people should stop describing the education gap (which is the real problem) that way, it shouldn't be described as white flight because it implies that the solution to the problem is to bring white people back in

no, I explain the tip of the situation in my previous post.

Education is a symptom not a cause. Blacks in the 1940s and 50's didn't randomly and collectively say "fukk books we gone act like some nigras"
But just because education isn't a cause doesn't mean that it's not a solution.. I agree that it's part of the solution.

White flight occurs for reasons beyond the education level of the segregated ethnic groups... and it's not an accident, it's intentional.
Racial residential segregation exposes minorities to worse public services, health risks , poorer schools, and risk for crime and increased risk of less family structure(for non-first generation immigrant groups. )

Growing up in poor, racially segregated areas negatively impacts the educational attainment of teenagers, causing lower test scores and higher drop-out rates - So the education drop is caused by the White flight (and other shyt) ... the educational gap isn't causing the white flight --- and this thread is about white flight.

Pointing out the effects allows community activist, sociologist, criminologist, and the few politicians who are even interested to know the direct cause and effect connections--- It doesn't come close to implying that the solution to the problem is to bring white people back. Only simply minded imbeciles make the claim that describing a real life situation means describing a need for white flight back.

 

[theworldismine13]

no, I explain the tip of the situation in my previous post.

Education is a symptom not a cause. Blacks in the 1940s and 50's didn't randomly and collectively say "fukk books we gone act like some nigras"
But just because education isn't a cause doesn't mean that it's not a solution.. I agree that it's part of the solution.

White flight occurs for reasons beyond the education level of the segregated ethnic groups... and it's not an accident, it's intentional.
Racial residential segregation exposes minorities to worse public services, health risks , poorer schools, and risk for crime and increased risk of less family structure(for non-first generation immigrant groups. )

Growing up in poor, racially segregated areas negatively impacts the educational attainment of teenagers, causing lower test scores and higher drop-out rates - So the education drop is caused by the White flight (and other shyt) ... the educational gap isn't causing the white flight --- and this thread is about white flight.

Pointing out the effects allows community activist, sociologist, criminologist, and the few politicians who are even interested to know the direct cause and effect connections--- It doesn't come close to implying that the solution to the problem is to bring white people back. Only simply minded imbeciles make the claim that describing a real life situation means describing a need for white flight back.

i dont agree that education is a symptom, education is the cause

what happened after slavery is that black people where denied individual rights and economic rights, and also that we hadnt developed an academic culture adn we still havent,

the problem was not segregation per se, segregation is neither here nor there, i dont think there is anything wrong with a racially segregated area as long as its not government mandated and individual rights are respected

i never said that the education gap causes white flight, i what i am saying is that white flight is best described as the flight of educated people, when its described that way i think you get a clearer picture of whats going on and how to solve it

but the bottom line is that you dont have any ideas or solutions that dont involve white people, that is the fundamental problem with your views

 

[boskey]

America created the problem, so why shouldnt America fix them? Why are black people treated as quarantined animals who need to simply "figure it out"? Black people didnt create these problems on our own. Its an American shame, that deserves American solutions.

This is crazy. What evidence have you gathered in the last 400 years that makes you believe that white folks are interested or even capable of solving the issues that black people face? Black people may not have caused these problems but black folks are definitely 100% responsible for fixing them. Why? Cuz noone else will, and if they did then we would have to give them something in return...thats how things work on this planet. Its not caping, its reality.

The idea that white guilt is gonna save black people is absurd and suicidal. Especially when we come in here and talk everyday about how racism is still so prevalent. What is gonna cause these racists in power to have a change of heart? How can you make demands without leverage?

 

[Blackking]

i dont agree that education is a symptom, education is the cause

what happened after slavery is that black people where denied individual rights and economic rights, and also that we hadnt developed an academic culture adn we still havent,

the problem was not segregation per se, segregation is neither here nor there, i dont think there is anything wrong with a racially segregated area as long as its not government mandated and individual rights are respected

i never said that the education gap causes white flight, i what i am saying is that white flight is best described as the flight of educated people, when its described that way i think you get a clearer picture of whats going on and how to solve it

but the bottom line is that you dont have any ideas or solutions that dont involve white people, that is the fundamental problem with your views

well, your bottom line is incorrect because I haven't presented a solution that involved white people.. and I believe I said twice in my first post the segregation could be a good thing... actually I believe since sohh Ive said probably around 100 times that the solution doesn't involve white people.

You're making shyt up because you clearly don't understand the situation about white flight, economics, or education.

Your post make me think that you're a cac, seriously. Your hype of white people as having this "academic culture" lol. They fukking don't. Black people don't have this "anti academic culture" either. I attended 3 universities and 1 highschool with over 90% cac and I can say for sure that they do not have a academic culture... they simply have a few more opportunities and a few less historical stigmas and brainwashings... NTM they don't have political and economic disenfranchisement.

White flight is called white flight because it literrally was based on social-racial ideologies and cac not wanting to live around blacks..... Sure the white leaving wouldn't have mattered and probably would be a good thing if that didn't come along with all the affects of 'urban decay (that you clearly can not grasp).

You don't want to call it white flight because like I said simply minded imbeciles make the claim that describing a real life situation means describing a need for whites.

ntm, after slavery up until the 50 the wealth gap was crazy and the access to good education and opportunity gaps were even worse. So how is it black people fault that white flight occurred.. or that the masses of blacks weren't positions to rise to high education and economic levels.


Anyone who has studied urban development knows that he areas become immediately impoverished and shytted on once white flight happens... And please- Stop being a fakkit and realize that one of the main causes of white flight was because blacks started having access to great education and high paying jobs.. they moved into the nicer areas that matched they social economic levels... Whites didn't like this ... that's what caused the urban white flight. Us trying to gain education and more opportunity is what lead to WHITE FLIGHT in the first place fakkit.

 

[Blackking]

This is crazy. What evidence have you gathered in the last 400 years that makes you believe that white folks are interested or even capable of solving the issues that black people face? Black people may not have caused these problems but black folks are definitely 100% responsible for fixing them. Why? Cuz noone else will, and if they did then we would have to give them something in return...thats how things work on this planet. Its not caping, its reality.

The idea that white guilt is gonna save black people is absurd and suicidal. Especially when we come in here and talk everyday about how racism is still so prevalent. What is gonna cause these racists in power to have a change of heart? How can you make demands without leverage?

Entire freeways were built to block black and brown people from opportunities and services... or Banks had maps marking investments, non investments and loans - to diss blacks. Sucked dry when your already on the bottom coming out of jim crow and you dont print the money, build the schools, control the buses, and the politicians ensure you are disenfranchised... We have made madd progress considering. We don't need whites to make more progress.. At most we can use their institutions and opportunities for our own goals.

 

[Food Mane]

http://news.yahoo.com/trader-joe-39-drops-black-neighborhood-store-plan-224732374.html

Is gentrification a bigger problem than White Flight?

Gentrification isn't a problem. Gentrification is just a term used to make progress seem bad.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

This is crazy. What evidence have you gathered in the last 400 years that makes you believe that white folks are interested or even capable of solving the issues that black people face? Black people may not have caused these problems but black folks are definitely 100% responsible for fixing them. Why? Cuz noone else will, and if they did then we would have to give them something in return...thats how things work on this planet. Its not caping, its reality.

The idea that white guilt is gonna save black people is absurd and suicidal. Especially when we come in here and talk everyday about how racism is still so prevalent. What is gonna cause these racists in power to have a change of heart? How can you make demands without leverage?

And why, pray tell, should other black people assume any responsibility for the problems of others? Just because they happen to be black? And before you start diminishing all white people, you should know that there have been white people who have given their lives to causes of injustice. We are talking about commitment to the ideas of the human condition, and such ideas of right and wrong arent bound by color. Why should we tolerate ignorance and counter productive socio-economic arraignments and policies? This is the same sort of bs a lot of black people said when they were living under segregation --- that white people arent capable, and shouldnt be expected to do whats right. What does any of this have to do with "white guilt"?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Whats up with all these convenient measures of segregation? Here I am thinking these are problems involving Americans, which should involve solutions from Americans. You're not being intellectually honest of course...

Jews and Asians segregate themselves to a degree and benefit from it. Black Americans should do the same.

 

[B-Rock Odrama]

I have no problem with socalled white flight but do take issue when when bougie negros flee their own kind and chase cacs into the burbs the first chance they get..this action in itself not only makes blacks look incompetent but reinforces racist myths of us needing massa for survival.

 

[boskey]

And why, pray tell, should other black people assume any responsibility for the problems of others? Just because they happen to be black? And before you start diminishing all white people, you should know that there have been white people who have given their lives to causes of injustice. We are talking about commitment to the ideas of the human condition, and such ideas of right and wrong arent bound by color. Why should we tolerate ignorance and counter productive socio-economic arraignments and policies? This is the same sort of bs a lot of black people said when they were living under segregation --- that white people arent capable, and shouldnt be expected to do whats right. What does any of this have to do with "white guilt"?

Because black people will more than likely have black children so even if they are successful on their own they may want to remove the obstacles they faced from their children's path?

We are talking about commitment to the ideas of the human condition, and such ideas of right and wrong arent bound by color.

They shouldn't be but they always have been and still are (George Zimmerman). And this has to do with guilt becuz unless we are using leverage or some other form of deal-making we are relying on a magical change of heart to take place. Thats either guilt or a religious awakening, you can choose which one youre waiting on...

 

[newarkhiphop]

If you really think about it white flight is a good thing....