What happened to Rock is slowly happening to Rap. You are seeing the beginning of Rap no longer being the dominant genre in music

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An inverse of the 9-3 wave would be wonderful. If we had a real live renaissance of skills, beats and lyrics that flatopped thot rap and stripper culture as the lotus of hip hop bloomed again Id be quite happy.

Unlikely but would be nice as its the only thing that can resurrect the artform as we see this:


Flipped into:

That time in 2023 where artists had to switch up and go harder

But as I said it will take either a new global language (which makes 2053 more likely) or a new drug that switches peoples vibes as the high has always dictated the style from 40s to Hen to Bud to Percs etc... You can see the trends.

That is also why we dont connect to the modern stuff. :flabbynsick:
 

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meanwhile from an article posted in the booth

"the genre's overall dominance from a sales perspective remains steadfast, with an increase of 6.3 percent in units moved, compared to 2022"


old head delusions are a sight to behold boy :huhldup:

#factsnotfeelings

people ignore actual data on this site in favor of anecdotes
 

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When Lil Baby and 21 Savage are the vanguard of the music, it’s a wrap.

Image and marketing can only carry an art form so far.
 

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If rap falls off, will people stop using it as an excuse to say nikka? :mjpls:
 

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I kinda understand what you mean about the 80s R&B compared to the 90s … the 80’s was traditional R&B - while the 90’s was this new , fresh & more urban version = he pretty much was a whole new genre & that transition was phenomenal


and yes I may be bias, BUT I don’t think you can compare the top 80s R&B artist to the 90s
I feel you and I won't ever knock somebody for preferring 90s rnb over previous eras. It was top notch. However, when I think of peak R&B, I think of Off the Wall, Earth Wind, Fire, Debarge, Luther. Just look at the variety. You got your mainstream shyt with MJ and Debarge. You got your conscious, soul moving shyt in EWF then you got your crooning, tear jerking ballads in Luther.

In the 90s, you kind of started to lose that variety. Everybody was kind of on that same type of style: jodeci, dru hill, silk, blackstreet. Not much difference between these groups.

Look at the women: SWV, Xscape, En Vogue, Destinys Child, 702, Blaque. Again, not much variety. Formulaic.

The industry started eliminating individuality. That's why I loved that small neosoul transition we got in the early mid 90s. Sade, Tone, Toni Tone, D'angelo, Erykah etc. It was a breath of fresh air because it was creative, exciting, odd and fundamentally black. No white influence.

These days, you don't have none of that shyt. Nobody's pushing the art forward. Nobodys being innovative. I mean, yeah drill rap is "new" but it's trash. It doesn't push the art forward. It actually holds it back.
 

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I feel you and I won't ever knock somebody for preferring 90s rnb over previous eras. It was top notch. However, when I think of peak R&B, I think of Off the Wall, Earth Wind, Fire, Debarge, Luther. Just look at the variety. You got your mainstream shyt with MJ and Debarge. You got your conscious, soul moving shyt in EWF then you got your crooning, tear jerking ballads in Luther.

In the 90s, you kind of started to lose that variety. Everybody was kind of on that same type of style: jodeci, dru hill, silk, blackstreet. Not much difference between these groups.

Look at the women: SWV, Xscape, En Vogue, Destinys Child, 702, Blaque. Again, not much variety. Formulaic.

The industry started eliminating individuality. That's why I loved that small neosoul transition we got in the early mid 90s. Sade, Tone, Toni Tone, D'angelo, Erykah etc. It was a breath of fresh air because it was creative, exciting, odd and fundamentally black. No white influence.

These days, you don't have none of that shyt. Nobody's pushing the art forward. Nobodys being innovative. I mean, yeah drill rap is "new" but it's trash. It doesn't push the art forward. It actually holds it back.

80s and 90s R&B was bridged very well with 60s and 70s R&B.. Then neo soul jumped off in 2000.. Been down hill since then.
 

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90s R&B was good but 70s was for the children... Specifically the creation thereof and so many other topics artfully expressed.

If you look the machine just chopped down the lanes and variety after honing in on niches that make money to exploit via their industry formula of chart chasing vs creative expression. Not that this wasn't a wave in the 70s as well because it was but it wasn't a standard practice. The current devolved state of music (and pretty much every other medium) is due to this corporate straight jacket.



That and it all got so much coarser and coarser as the listeners got numb and number...

 
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