What does Michael Jordan do better than LeBron besides score?

[Roland Coltrane]

not getting outscored in the finals by bench players

start there

they keep ignoring this for some reason

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Lebron averaged over 25 ppg for 13 straight seasons so how is Michael a better scorer?

 

[supertrekker]

So this is how I look at it. fukk stats, and championships . Jordan played in an era in that if a team didn't have a dominate big man that team was going nowhere. The Celtics had Parrish and McHale, The Lakers had Kareem and Worthy, The Pistons had Laimbeer and Rodman, The Knicks had Ewing, Oakley and Smith, The Pacers had Smits and both Davis's, The Rockets had Hakeem and Thorpe, The Spurs had Robinson and Duncan. And yet playing on a team with Bill Cartwright and Luke Longley as his centers a guy named Jordan standing at 6'6 and as skinny as Reggie Miller dominated the league that was dominated by 7 footers. Just look at the two years he took off from basketball and who won. The Rockets, a team with a hall of fame center. So don't give me this shyt that the Bulls team were more talented than any team in that era. They were only more talented because they had the best player in the league. You want to talk about era. Anyone that tries to stop Lebron is called for a foul even if they don't touch.

 

[DonKnock]

Did you not see Jordan play?

Video 1: There are frequent illegal defenses committed here, and Jordan struggles against them. At the end of the video the creator says that "this video doesn't address 3 second violations" aka: illegal defense.
Video 2: Watch even the first play, it says: Jordan is tripled off the catch " then conveniently leaves out how that triple team must immediately disband or else they would be called for illegal defense. There are a few cases of true double here, but many of them should've been illegal defense calls. The video creator also mentions at the end that the Knicks were the best defenses of the era, they probably just got away with the calls more frequently.

Video 3: Jordan was doubled off the catch, then the double had to retreat, to avoid illegal defense, then Jordan beats his man off the dribble and then can't beat the second level helping big. A situation that someone like Kyrie feasts on today. This is a stretch calling this a double.

Video 4:This is in transition, not half court offense, has no impact

Video 5: This would not even be considered a double today. Jordan has the primary defender on his hip. This is actually the configuration that James Harden seeks out coming off of a screen.

Video 6: This is in transition, not half court offense, has no impact

The severity of the fouls mean nothing, as they were still called as fouls.


The fact that the bulk of these videos pull from only 2 teams does not work in your favor.

Jordan was getting double against these two particular teams is not the same thing as getting doubles every night.

 

[hayesc0]

Video 1: There are frequent illegal defenses committed here, and Jordan struggles against them. At the end of the video the creator says that "this video doesn't address 3 second violations" aka: illegal defense.
Video 2: Watch even the first play, it says: Jordan is tripled off the catch " then conveniently leaves out how that triple team must immediately disband or else they would be called for illegal defense. There are a few cases of true double here, but many of them should've been illegal defense calls. The video creator also mentions at the end that the Knicks were the best defenses of the era, they probably just got away with the calls more frequently.

Video 3: Jordan was doubled off the catch, then the double had to retreat, to avoid illegal defense, then Jordan beats his man off the dribble and then can't beat the second level helping big. A situation that someone like Kyrie feasts on today. This is a stretch calling this a double.

Video 4:This is in transition, not half court offense, has no impact

Video 5: This would not even be considered a double today. Jordan has the primary defender on his hip. This is actually the configuration that James Harden seeks out coming off of a screen.

Video 6: This is in transition, not half court offense, has no impact

The severity of the fouls mean nothing, as they were still called as fouls.


The fact that the bulk of these videos pull from only 2 teams does not work in your favor.

Jordan was getting double against these two particular teams is not the same thing as getting doubles every night.

Im not even gonna bother anything I post will be dismissed obviously.

 

[supertrekker]

 

[DonKnock]

The fact that you can't grasp that a player who averages 25 ppg for 20 seasons is more durable and will have more total point but is not the volume scorer of a player who has 15 seasons of 30 ppg tells me all I need to know

Kobe's career average is 25 ppg, only 3 seasons with 30 or more

 

[Poitier]

Kobe's career average is 25 ppg

you really aren't that bright
its concerning

you keep talking about CAREER averages which is a matter of DURABILITY when discussing VOLUME scoring as in the ability to put up a ton of points in any given season game to game

last time responding to you

 

[DonKnock]

like MJ "carried" The 80s bulls to all those titles?

Losing in the first round >>> Losing in the Finals

 

[Perfectson]

Post up game

you see that post up game and usually with another defender running towards him, when he saw that he would fade to the opposite directions most time...just beautiful

 

[DonKnock]

you really aren't that bright
its concerning

you keep talking about CAREER averages which is a matter of DURABILITY when discussing VOLUME scoring as in the ability to put up a ton of points in any given season game to game

last time responding to you

Kobe has 3 season above 30 ppg, LeBron has 2 and a 29.7. Kobe has no 29.x seasons.


There is no gulf in scoring output.


There is a huge gulf in efficiency.

 

[Perfectson]

So this is how I look at it. fukk stats, and championships . Jordan played in an era in that if a team didn't have a dominate big man that team was going nowhere. The Celtics had Parrish and McHale, The Lakers had Kareem and Worthy, The Pistons had Laimbeer and Rodman, The Knicks had Ewing, Oakley and Smith, The Pacers had Smits and both Davis's, The Rockets had Hakeem and Thorpe, The Spurs had Robinson and Duncan. And yet playing on a team with Bill Cartwright and Luke Longley as his centers a guy named Jordan standing at 6'6 and as skinny as Reggie Miller dominated the league that was dominated by 7 footers. Just look at the two years he took off from basketball and who won. The Rockets, a team with a hall of fame center. So don't give me this shyt that the Bulls team were more talented than any team in that era. They were only more talented because they had the best player in the league. You want to talk about era. Anyone that tries to stop Lebron is called for a foul even if they don't touch.

adding on
Lebron has a top 5 PG, top 10 PF, and himself, has Tristin Thomas, Deron Williams, Kyle Korver, etc etc

lets not even talk about Lebron with the Heat

his team have been cheat codes every year that Heat team could have won a championship even without him (and a better coach).

Pippen was good, but Grant was not a top 10 PF and in reality fed off MJ and PIppen. The teams on the top during that era were loaded with talent especially the mid to late 80s and early 90s teams.

 

[HabitualChiller]

I've been negged like 8 times in this thread. nikkas that much in their feelings over a dude they never met...

 

[supertrekker]

you see that post up game and usually with another defender running towards him, when he saw that he would fade to the opposite directions most time...just beautiful

And yet no one is posting Lebron vids to prove otherwise.

 

[Easy-E]

My my said "besides scoring" like it's a small part of basketball