Dwight Howard
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win in the finals
What does Michael Jordan do better than LeBron besides score?
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DonKnock
KPJ Gonna Save Us
Go look up the formula for how usage rate is calculated dumbass, your scenario has no impact on it
Kyrie and Love hadn't even sniffed a playoff before Lebron and Kyrie was missing the playoffs in a horribly weak East. People are quick to credit Pippen's growth to Jordan but won't do the same for Lebron to Kyrie.
Which one of Lebron teams could have won without Lebron? WADE AND BOSH WERE INJURED DURING BOTH OF THE RING RUNS with Bosh tearing his groin and Wade needing his knee drained but Lebron helping carry the team.
You nikkas lost your mind. The Heat were built entirely around Lebron's versatility and his ability do fill in the holes the team needed (He was a defensive fulcrum and acted as the inside presence for a team that was sorely lacking).
Do you know what usage is?
The point is Lebron with a higher usage rate does not mean a higher scoring output because usage accounts for assist
And youre still ducking the dumb logic of saying Lebron would be a better volume scorer than MJ when we all agree MJ was a better volume scorer than Kobe but Lebron isnt a better volume scorer than Kobe
Bigblackted4
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I'd say on ball defense, stamina, consistency, post game, finishing. Lebron has the edge in Passing, Three-Point shooting, off ball defense. Lebron is better all around but would you rather have somebody that's all around better or higher pitched in important things is the question.
Be in the league 20 years and still be a terrible freethrow shooter
How is Bron better off-ball? MJ had a HIGHER steal percentages (a full point higher) and a near equivalent block percentage (.2 off). Both are great at gambling and recovering. Thats a draw to me.
Bigblackted4
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I think LeBron causes players to not even take shots at the rim. I give him a slight advantage as an off ball player but you right it's close.
supertrekker
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Deconstructing this one is gonna be easy. Let's start with the lakers: Chicago didn't face the lakers until the 1991 finals at which point Kareem was gone and Pat Riley was gone too. This makes mentioning Kareem totally irrelevant. Laimbeer was not a major scorer for the pistons (he averaged 13-17 points per game throughout the 80's while Detroit was contending), and neither was Rodman, (who was a small forward at the time who averaged 7 points per game on the career). Chicago never faced Boston in the playoffs after 1987 so they're not relevant to Chicago winning in the 90's. The spurs are not relevant to this conversation as they never faced Chicago and Tim Duncan's rookie year was Jordan's last in Chicago anyway. Once again, this team is not relevant. The bulls also never faced the rockets in the finals so they aren't relevant to this discussion either. This leaves us with the pacers and the Knicks. Dale and Antonio Davis averaged 10 and 8 points per game on the career respectively, with dale peaking at 11.7 and Antonio peaking at 14.5. Lets not paint these two up as franchise cornerstones
. Onto the Knicks. Charles smith averaged 14/6 for the career. He never made a single all star team. Oakley made one all star team and two all defensive teams while averaging 9.7 points on the career. It's not like Chicago had to deal with titans in the low post annually save for the trash ass Knicks whose second best player was John starks. And Jordan was not "as skinny as Reggie miller" either. He had 20 pounds on Reggie during the 90's. Reggie played at 195 and Mike played at 216, noticeably larger and stronger. The bulls won because they were a much better team and most of these teams had little more than spare parts on the wing to deal with Michael and Scottie.
Still these teams were better than most of the east now. And the Lakers still had Magic and a team good enough to go to finals in the west which was still tough then. The league itself was a league of toughness and intimidation. You thought twice before you attacked the hoop cause of guys like Oakley and Laimbeer. They weren't scorers they were rebounders and bruisers. That's how the NBA was then. Front court players couldn't hit a three but they could block shots and post up unlike today's big men that hang around the three line.
supertrekker
Superstar
Your point proves that Lebron should be a better player than MJ but the fact is he isn't.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
Guys don't post up now because zone defenses makes it inefficient
. Look at all the trouble Miami had in the 2006 finals trying to get Shaq the ball on the block. Dallas went zone around him and had him doubled at all times.
G-Zeus
G-Zeus Chrystler...the brehsident
I have him in the convo..that said.. i clearly remember mj not giving a fukk and worse part.. making the shots the same way dont matter the situation.....
For kobe.. he is a lunatic... He would go 3/100 anyday instead of falling back...
They have that over bron... Bron will switch to making the right play whatever the situation... Honnestly.. i prefer that as a fan of the game...but as a fan of the man... I want the highlight... I want the fearlessness
This the thread that was made after watching Bron hide on Born Ready and double PG instead of taking the challenge and locking him up by himself??? If MJ is better at offense and defense, what is there to really pose a question about?
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
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