What culture/country in the diaspora has the most African cultural retention?

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How come no one is talking about Africans in Europe? :patrice:

only france and belgium with a big enough individual footprint to compare to cuba, haiti, brazil etc.

I mean they actually know which country they're from, a lot speak african language(s), travel to the continent, eat the continent's food, listen to the continent's music, follow the continent's politics etc...:jbhmm:
 

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It has to be Suriname, it has the most African languages in that sense.

Winti is the only Diasporic ATR that didn’t syncretize with Christianity and remained fully African.

Plus where all other Diaspora ATRs have 1 African ritual language, Winti has 3.

1. Akan-based
2. Gbe-based
3. KiKongo-based.




Good point

The 3 ritual languages is a revelation to me
 

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Stop lying about places you’ve never been to and people you don’t know.
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Unless you want Afro-Brazilians to act like you and to start spreading lies about Afro-Americans…i

When it comes to Black Brazilian. Fukk em, they always had the numbers. Aint never done shiit, but wanting to be loved.
 

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only france and belgium with a big enough individual footprint to compare to cuba, haiti, brazil etc.

My point was that Black people in Europe almost all have actual real cultural ties with their country of origin, which for obvious reasons is less the case for whatever diaspora in the Americas. Some diasporas in Latin America probably have indeed kept traditionnal aspects of african cultures, but those are african cultures as they used to be, whereas Black in Europe are much more in touch with how african culture is now (and actively participate in it, even from abroad).
 

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My point was that Black people in Europe almost all have actual real cultural ties with their country of origin, which for obvious reasons is less the case for whatever diaspora in the Americas.

you said "africans".

you forget that in the UK caribbeans were the majority, arrived first and were in large part right alongside the US bound slaves on the same ships in the next bunks on the triangular atlantic slave routes. they just got dropped off on the next stop, further south.

a lot of those groups went through the same mixing and standardisation (language and culture removal) that happened north. in addition they were influenced by changing colonial culture (spanish. to dutch, to english) for example in the guyanas, plus the mixing in of other groups like indians and native indians.

in guyana their food is a mix of indian, native indian and black dishes which are all just treated as guyanese dishes.

Some diasporas in Latin America probably have indeed kept traditionnal aspects of african cultures, but those are african cultures as they used to be, whereas Black in Europe are much more in touch with how african culture is now (and actively participate in it, even from abroad).

if anything there might be small things. small words. small sayings. but culture writ large, i cannot see as a broad rule over the caribbean.

sit a random jamaican and a random nigerian down together and see how much they have in common.

even less so in trinidad or barbados.
 

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you said "africans".

you forget that in the UK caribbeans were the majority, arrived first and were in large part right alongside the US bound slaves on the same ships in the next bunks on the triangular atlantic slave routes. they just got dropped off on the next stop, further south.

a lot of those groups went through the same mixing and standardisation (language and culture removal) that happened north. in addition they were influenced by changing colonial culture (spanish. to dutch, to english) for example in the guyanas, plus the mixing in of other groups like indians and native indians.

in guyana their food is a mix of indian, native indian and black dishes which are all just treated as guyanese dishes.



if anything there might be small things. small words. small sayings. but culture writ large, i cannot see as a broad rule over the caribbean.

sit a random jamaican and a random nigerian down together and see how much they have in common.

even less so in trinidad or barbados.

I said Africans initially because that's what most Black people in Europe consider themselves, as Africans, since they know which African country they come from. Even if they only hold European citizenship and have never even been on the continent they still will mostly identify culturally as also Congolese, Senegalese, etc. Obviously this doesnt included people from the Caribbean, who will also identify with whatever island they come from originally.

Not sure what the rest of your post is about, seems like you're saying what I'm saying : people in the Caribbean and Latin America in general have for obvious reasons -we all know history- lost a whole lot of the African culture they had initially, apart from some stuff here and there such as some evolution of the dances, some words, some religious practices, etc. But it's mostly remnants of the past I would say. Africans/Black People in Europe speak the language, travel back, have family on the continent, follow politics, the contemporary dances, music, etc. They're connected to the Africa of today. This seems quite obvious to me, unless I'm missing something.
 

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I said Africans initially because that's what most Black people in Europe consider themselves, as Africans, since they know which African country they come from. Even if they only hold European citizenship and have never even been on the continent they still will mostly identify culturally as also Congolese, Senegalese, etc. Obviously this doesnt included people from the Caribbean, who will also identify with whatever island they come from originally.

Not sure what the rest of your post is about, seems like you're saying what I'm saying : people in the Caribbean and Latin America in general have for obvious reasons -we all know history- lost a whole lot of the African culture they had initially, apart from some stuff here and there such as some evolution of the dances, some words, some religious practices, etc. But it's mostly remnants of the past I would say. Africans/Black People in Europe speak the language, travel back, have family on the continent, follow politics, the contemporary dances, music, etc. They're connected to the Africa of today. This seems quite obvious to me, unless I'm missing something.

no biggie.

i am from the UK from caribbean extraction. there are millions of caribbean breh brits who routinely get ignored in these convos. i have no idea about where my family came from in africa to the caribbean. my family history goes back to two caribbean countries - guyana and barbados (like riri).

excluding the UK there aren't that many countries with sizeable numbers of africans. you have france and belgium with a relatively large amount of brehs. possibly germany but that's more recent than the other two, and somewhat of a different case because you have more GI children and more of the african brehs aren't really permanent residents or integrated - high numbers are not permanent don't speak the language, don't travel back.

the standard routes into the UK for brehdom are a mix of student, marriage, skilled immigration etc. in germany it's asylum for men, as wife/sex workers for women. high skilled african immigrants don't choose germany that much.

method: get smuggler to drive you to northern africa, boat to italy, throw away passport, sneak across europe to your preferred destination country. if germany claim asylum, get a secret job, share ID/social numbers with an established and work as someone else, that guy takes a cut and gives you the rest. walk and public transport everywhere. keep your head down and avoid authorities until you can find a wife / have a baby ... or until you get caught. a german gets mad at you, threatens you, or says he will call the police and you run away. you cannot work under asylum (or could not). you have to stay in a particular district so many people abscond and go to bigger cities. these guys are largely excluded from normal society and are in no sense immigrated or integrated like the US/UK allow with gray immigration.

when claiming asylum you say someone is trying to kill you for some reason. germany then decides if put you on a list for fuller checks. those checks take years during which you can legally stay in germany.

how do i know this? because i am a breddah and i can tell you where to find hundreds of people like this right now today.

it is so common then when I, bank worker sports car driving professional, go out about town, you talk to a girl and within the first conversation she tells you she works with asylum seekers and can help me if i need it. but that is another story.

stats say 1% brehdom in germany but a lot of them will be mixed german (like in the UK but for different reasons) and the temporary residents as described above. you have spain, portugal, sweden and denmark with edge case numbers but they are small populations (ex spain) so numbers are low.

southern europeans are losing their minds being used as a way station for people just passing through.



TL;DR it's france and belgium for large numbers of established african brehs. the rest are a hotchpoch of variations. eastern europe can be largely discounted. smaller countries don't have the numbers. germany is a mess with few natural paths for brehs to enter, that brehs moving from africa with options find attractive. those types are more likely to move to the states or the UK.
 
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Garifunas is up there. Our language is more Arawakan though. Outside the language, which does have African words as well, the food, garb, spirituality, family hierarchy and other traditions is very African.
 
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