What A Surprise: Atheists Have Highest SUICIDE Rate.

[BlvdBrawler]

How does "if you don't believe in evolution you're dumb" prove intelligence?

I don't think he said that.

I think he said if someone doesn't believe in evolution, then they either haven't been exposed to it, or are willfully ignorant. Speaks nothing to one's intelligence, although you could argue that an intelligent person wouldn't choose to be willfully ignorant.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

I don't think he said that.

I think he said if someone doesn't believe in evolution, then they either haven't been exposed to it, or are willfully ignorant. Speaks nothing to one's intelligence, although you could argue that an intelligent person wouldn't choose to be willfully ignorant.

Exactly, it doesn't speak to one's intelligence and that's what we were talking about: intelligence.

And what does "willfully ignorant" mean? To be willfully ignorant means a person must be in the know, and thus ceases to be ignorant in regards to whatever particular matter.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

Exactly, it doesn't speak to one's intelligence and that's what we were talking about: intelligence.

And what does "willfully ignorant" mean? To be willfully ignorant means a person must be in the know, and thus ceases to be ignorant in regards to whatever particular matter.

I think of willful ignorance as being stubborn for the sake of comfort. Going back to the evolution example, I personally know Christians who agree that the tenets of evolution are solid, but when it comes down to admitting that "this shyt happens", they just refuse to do it.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

I think of willful ignorance as being stubborn for the sake of comfort. Going back to the evolution example, I personally know Christians who agree that the tenets of evolution are solid, but when it comes down to admitting that "this shyt happens", they just refuse to do it.

But again, this has nothing to do with intelligence. Evolution is a theory and is not infallible. Agreeing with it or not does not determine intelligence. In fact, arguing about anything that you can't prove one way or another seems unintelligent to me from jump.

In regards to evolutionists vs creationists I can understand arguments from both sides but one argument I will never accept as valid is "you're dumb because you don't think exactly as I do." What if both sides are right? What if there is intelligent design behind evolution?

None of us knows this so for me to question someone's intelligence because they don't know for sure the exact same thing I don't know for sure doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

But again, this has nothing to do with intelligence. Evolution is a theory and is not infallible. Agreeing with it or not does not determine intelligence. In fact, arguing about anything that you can't prove one way or another seems unintelligent to me from jump.

In regards to evolutionists vs creationists I can understand arguments from both sides but one argument I will never accept as valid is "you're dumb because you don't think exactly as I do." What if both sides are right? What if there is intelligent design behind evolution?

None of us knows this so for me to question someone's intelligence because they don't know for sure the exact same thing I don't know for sure doesn't make a lot of sense.

I agree.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Looks like life really is miserable, without God. Atheists are the most unhappy compared to believers and the most likely to kill themselves. Seems like the solution isnt turning yourself into a robot, but to love and praise God.

 

[Dyce25]

Don't mistake your arrogance for intelligence.

And don't mistake memorizing "facts" that someone else told you for having a high intelligence quotient.

If you were truly intelligent you'd be making these discoveries on your own, not telling me about what someone else discovered and because you were informed of it, you are now "intelligent". What happens when that person is proven wrong? Will you then be "intelligent" enough to hop on the new wave?

And your answer of "indifference" is invalid especially when you go on to say it's something you wouldn't want to see and it would even make you feel guilty if you couldn't stop it. So you can type "indifferent" as many times as you want but you've already made it clear that that isn't true.

I'm not mistaking anything. I know where I stand with my own intelligence level. You said, "If you were truly intelligent you'd be making these discoveries on your own..." well, I'm sorry, I was born a little too late to develop the evolutionary theory or invent the term "atheist". Unlike majority of people in the U.S. (religious), however, my intelligence DOES allow me to actually understand the arguments being posed by atheists. It's not a wave thing for me. It's actually about a 12-13 year journey in which I began as a Christian looking to refute nonbelievers. As for the suicide thing - you can twist my words all you want, but I'm indifferent. I don't see it as a good or bad thing.

Lastly, we can split hairs and talk about exceptions to the rules, but I am absolutely saying that, in general, believers in things like evolution, climate change, and atheism are more intelligent than those that deny evolution/CC and/or are theistic.

 

[NoMayo15]

They actually do. You just object to their objective morality's source.​

This is just patently false. Not every person with a god belief necessarily thinks that entity also dictates morality.

That doesn't answer the question. How can you recognize 'evil' or 'good' if you have no rational basis for measuring what 'evil/good' is?

How do you determine whether one's standards are "rational" or not? IMO, the notion that morals come from some supernatural thing is completely irrational.

 

[the cac mamba]

Looks like life really is miserable, without God. Atheists are the most unhappy compared to believers and the most likely to kill themselves. Seems like the solution isnt turning yourself into a robot, but to love and praise God.

an incredibly intelligent statement, backed by a massive amount of reason and evidence. im in awe

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This is just patently false. Not every person with a god belief necessarily thinks that entity also dictates morality.

Something I didn't state is patently false.

How do you determine whether one's standards are "rational" or not? IMO, the notion that morals come from some supernatural thing is completely irrational.

1. Ask them.
2. That is why I'm asking you to explain where yours come from.​

 

[Dyce25]

Something I didn't state is patently false.



1. Ask them.
2. That is why I'm asking you to explain where yours come from.​

I don't think science has yet determined exactly how evolution brought about consciousness in humans, but whatever sparked that is likely what contributed to human beings having morals in the first place - not religion. However, I'm just speaking for myself. Other people may feel differently.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I don't think science has yet determined exactly how evolution brought about consciousness in humans, but whatever sparked that is likely what contributed to human beings having morals in the first place - not religion. However, I'm just speaking for myself. Other people may feel differently.

Why didn't the same 'spark' occur in ANY other species on this planet?​

 

[Dyce25]

Why didn't the same 'spark' occur in ANY other species on this planet?​

Well, evolutionary biology isn't my field, so I have no qualms with claiming ignorance on this question. Science has been trying to figure out exactly what consciousness is and how we acquired it forever it seems. Without concrete answers, theists love to plug-in the "God of the Gaps" though, which is annoying. This is a philosophical and scientific question which has absolutely nothing to do with god or religion.

 

[Arnold]

There are a lot of intelligent people who don't make smart decisions.

 

[Fervid]

Why didn't the same 'spark' occur in ANY other species on this planet?​

Are you certain it hasn't? Other species of humans now extinct?