West: Obama a Rockefeller Repub in blackface; Sharpton, MED, Harris Perry sold souls

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

If that person looks asian and identifies himself as asian I don't have a problem with it, you shouldn't either. As I said you are not the keeper of what it means to be black as it is a social construct.

are you serious with this shyt? Ok, lets do this another way. Say, you had parents, one was a white father from germany, but you had a mother that was from kenya..and you was born really light skinned (I actually know someone like this). He walks up to you and says " you're european, youre not african in the slightest"...you're kool with denouncing one half of your heritage and what you really are? fukk outta here. I should go tell all my mix raced friends right now that they're fully black and their white parents and family don't mean jack shyt lol

and if you want to go down this route

As I said you are not the keeper of what it means to be black as it is a social construct.

neither are you...so what can you actually tell me?

And first of all, when did I say I was talking about being black as a social construct. Did I not refer to that as bollocks and talk specifically about what he is scientifically?

 

[IGSaint12]

are you serious with this shyt? Ok, lets do this another way. Say, you had parents, one was a white father from germany, but you had a mother that was from kenya..and you was born really light skinned (I actually know someone like this). He walks up to you and says " you're european, youre not african in the slightest"...you're kool with denouncing one half of your heritage and what you really are? fukk outta here

and if you want to go down this route



neither are you...so what can you actually tell me?

And first of all, when did I say I was talking about being black as a social construct. Did I not refer to that as bollocks and talk specifically about what he is scientifically?

And didn't I tell you that racial makeup makes no fukking difference. IT IS WHAT HE IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS. I'm pretty sure these racist republicans haven't been calling him the mixed ****** these past few days. They don't give a fukk that he's half white, he's black in their eyes. The biases and prejudices obama faced in society is based on how he looks as a black man. I don't give a fukk if one half of your heritage is denounced because being black in america is not as clear cut as being black in sub-saharan africa. There is no black purity in america for black americans.
You act like being 50% black/white is worth less than being 15%white/75%black or 10%white/90%black, he is a BLACK AMERICAN. If you want a racial pure black african you can go to africa but guess what? In africa they consider obama black too.

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

And didn't I tell you that racial makeup makes no fukking difference. IT IS WHAT HE IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS. I'm pretty sure these racist republicans haven't been calling him the mixed ****** these past few days. They don't give a fukk that he's half white, he's black in their eyes. The biases and prejudices obama faced in society is based on how he looks as a black man. I don't give a fukk if one half of your heritage is denounced because being black in america is not as clear cut as being black in sub-saharan africa. There is no black purity in america for black americans.
You act like being 50% black/white is worth less than being 15%white/75%black or 10%white/90%black, he is a BLACK AMERICAN. If you want a racial pure black african you can go to africa but guess what? In africa they consider obama black too.

he's still mixed race and has a white mother tho

cos the difference between our arguments is, mine won't change, yours will because its based in perception and not facts

remember when irish people weren't considered white?

you see how some black dominicans don't consider themselves black? I wonder what arguments you'd bring up to them to let them know they're black?

 

[IGSaint12]

he's still mixed race and has a white mother tho

I never said that obama doesn't have a white mother or that he's not mixed that wasn't the point but let's agree to disagree.

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

I never said that obama doesn't have a white mother or that he's not mixed that wasn't the point but let's agree to disagree.

fair enough

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[Soymuscle Mike]

 

[The Message]

@theworldismine13 Let me be clear fam. I'm not justifying ratchet, criminal behavior. Some cats are just pure career criminal - white, black, whatever. Dudes are in prison for a reason - by their own choices, yes. However, you cant turn a blind eye to three things: the conditions in our communities which set the table for this behavior, the policing and judicial system which overtly targets blacks and browns and the laws which place these men in a permanent underclass long after the crime (nonviolent offenses) was done.

Here is something you guys should check out.

Slideshow: What has Obama done for black America in 2010? | theGrio

Quote:MINORITY ACCESS TO CAPITAL. As a result of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as the Obama stimulus package, the Small Business Administration (SBA) has expanded its outreach to minority owned businesses. Twenty percent of the billions of dollars in SBA loans provided by the stimulus have gone to minority-owned companies.

This is what I'm talking about. I like to see this. I hope to see that furthered. I'm definitely gonna look into this with my own ideas/endeavors I have.

 

[mastermind]

This is probably true, but that doesn't negate the veracity of their criticisms. Both can be true. But Obama should send Reggie Love to put them paws on West for that blackface shyt though.

this is where I come down.


their views are actually correct and something a lot of us have been saying for some time about Obama. Dude is a Rockerfeller Republican, probably has been since he came into the national consciousness.

But I can see people being upset at these two for being outcasted by Obama, especially Tavis. I have a feeling Tavis would be quiet as fukk if Obama had gone to his events.


The Black face line was totally out of line tho.

 

[NYC Rebel]

this is where I come down.


their views are actually correct and something a lot of us have been saying for some time about Obama. Dude is a Rockerfeller Republican, probably has been since he came into the national consciousness.

But I can see people being upset at these two for being outcasted by Obama, especially Tavis. I have a feeling Tavis would be quiet as fukk if Obama had gone to his events.


The Black face line was totally out of line tho.

Agreed.
No one can categorically deny the facts West lay on the table regarding Obama's Presidency, who he surrounds himself with, the shapers of his policies, and his complete inability to address focused driven issues facing the Black community as he's done for other groups.

Everything I wrote about his Presidency in 2007 rang true in terms of that relationship. Since 1961, he's said the least about race more than any democratic President. Anytime its brought up about what he's done for black folks, it's proxy messengered by his supporters, not him himself. I also noticed that he uses his wife to speak at primary black functions.

Even with all that, I still have hope for his second term. He's not bound by his political handlers anymore, shaping him for the next election.

 

[feelosofer]

Well fam...this isnt the 1890's, so there arent EXPLICT laws that point out black men. Hell...in the 1890s, the amount of blacks in slavery were LESS than the amount of black men chained to the prison industrial complex today. It doesnt need to be spelled out for it not to be present. While the laws are implicit, the RESULTS are NOT. Have you ever heard of the Stop & Frisk policies in NY? How about the Three Strikes Rule? What about the overtly disproportionate Rockefeller Drug Laws? How about the well documented reports of mortgage companies targeting black and brown families with toxic home loans? Speaking of targets...what about your local police department targeting me and violating my constitiutional & civil rights just for being in a particular part of town at a certain time. Not to mention my life might be on the line if I even look at Mr Officer the wrong way. Police brutality is just as much an issue today as it was back when we were on the plantation - but they werent called the police then, they were called "paddy rollers". And this is just the tip of the iceberg off the top of my head. I dont mind you having a disagreable opinon, fam, but you need to open your eyes and ears a bit more - it's all in plain sight.

Obama has addressed police harassment when that Cambridge professor was arrested and he got blasted for it. He got criticized heavily and was forced to apologize. Under Obamas Presidency the climate for legalizing Marijuana has come to some fruition and this will have a direct impact on the incarceration of young Black youth because the bulk of them are doing time for posessing/dealing/smoking small amounts of weed.

Now things like stop and frisk and the 3 strikes rule are local to their respective states (both put up by right-wing leadership). Also poverty is something Americans as a whole ignore. We see poverty collectively not as a result of circumstance but of lazy, dirty people, who probably do drugs and are mentally unstable. Poverty hasn't been a concern since the Clinton administration and he fathered welfare reform that has not benefited Blacks because it forced single parents to work an unreasonable amount to get paltry checks leaving children unsupervised and prone to being affected by negative influences. I remember him signing that Bill in front of two big black women, despite white people being the biggest recipient. But hey that's our real Black President right?

I have no problem with Cornell Wests criticisms of Obama, I have been a fan of his for the past 20 years. But in recent years he has become the intellectual that he himself used to not want to be like. The guy who makes a million dollars a year talking about being a man of the people, that is hypocritical. To actually be old enough to remember when blackface was a viable form of entertainment and then to say that about Obama is beyond reproach. Obama has achieved a lot to help Black folk, but are we expecting him to make a bill called the 'Any Means Necessary' Act is delusional. Obama couldn't even make adjustments to the tax code without being called a socialist or committing 'Class Warfare'. You got people calling him the Food Stamp President. The Healthcare reform will help us a lot. Middle Class tax cuts will help us a lot. If his jobs bill passes that is a big deal and if Marijuana continues to be decriminalized that will help us in the long term. In fact Obama passed a Bill giving minority businesses capitol to start off and low interests loans (which have been a huge benefit to myself) that are not so heavily tied to credit. Anecdotal I know but I was able to bring on two new employees because of it.

I will say this I expect Dems to take the House and Senate in 2014. I'll reserve real judgement until then. But overall I think Obama has looked out for us as much as he could have, despite not making a Bill addressing young black males directly (and i won't hold my breath for it).

 

[mastermind]

I'm always up for an objective, provocative discussion of Barack Obama; I'm not up for hearing Cornel West's initiating nor mediating such a discussion. This nikka is an integrity-less goof, period. Tell that fukk nikka to cut a little off the top, get another grad student pregnant, and publish some scholarship of actual worth to try and blunt his complete sacrifice of AFAM studies at the altar of his insecurity and ego.

I'd smack this nikka in his fukking face in a one-on-one meeting. He disgusts me.

and this is the other thing too, while I give West props for raising these issues this nikka has no solutions either. Sorry, "love" is his solution.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Obama has addressed police harassment when that Cambridge professor was arrested and he got blasted for it. He got criticized heavily and was forced to apologize. Under Obamas Presidency the climate for legalizing Marijuana has come to some fruition and this will have a direct impact on the incarceration of young Black youth because the bulk of them are doing time for posessing/dealing/smoking small amounts of weed.

Now things like stop and frisk and the 3 strikes rule are local to their respective states (both put up by right-wing leadership). Also poverty is something Americans as a whole ignore. We see poverty collectively not as a result of circumstance but of lazy, dirty people, who probably do drugs and are mentally unstable. Poverty hasn't been a concern since the Clinton administration and he fathered welfare reform that has not benefited Blacks because it forced single parents to work an unreasonable amount to get paltry checks leaving children unsupervised and prone to being affected by negative influences. I remember him signing that Bill in front of two big black women, despite white people being the biggest recipient. But hey that's our real Black President right?

I have no problem with Cornell Wests criticisms of Obama, I have been a fan of his for the past 20 years. But in recent years he has become the intellectual that he himself used to not want to be like. The guy who makes a million dollars a year talking about being a man of the people, that is hypocritical. To actually be old enough to remember when blackface was a viable form of entertainment and then to say that about Obama is beyond reproach. Obama has achieved a lot to help Black folk, but are we expecting him to make a bill called the 'Any Means Necessary' Act is delusional. Obama couldn't even make adjustments to the tax code without being called a socialist or committing 'Class Warfare'. You got people calling him the Food Stamp President. The Healthcare reform will help us a lot. Middle Class tax cuts will help us a lot. If his jobs bill passes that is a big deal and if Marijuana continues to be decriminalized that will help us in the long term.

I will say this I expect Dems to take the House and Senate in 2014. I'll reserve real judgement until then. But overall I think Obama has looked out for us as much as he could have, despite not making a Bill addressing young black males directly (and i won't hold my breath for it).

That's not happening for the next ten years.

Either way, I really hate when people dress up black wants from the President as some sort of isolationist, radical over the top pro black program. No one asking the President to sign a " 'Any Means Necessary' bill. Why dress it up as something that extreme? At the end of the day, he has a fear of openly aligning or speaking directly to black groups, as clearly stated in his lack of mentioning race during the course of his Presidency or when he's talking down to blacks as he did last year.

He has online proxies explaining how he's been beneficial to the black community while not saying it himself.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Off topic but does Cornel West have a closet full of the same outfit like Albert Einstein?

I ran into him at an airport in Houston at about 10 am a few years ago and he was wearing his go-to outfit.

 

[feelosofer]

That's not happening for the next ten years.

Either way, I really hate when people dress up black wants from the President as some sort of isolationist, radical over the top pro black program. No one asking the President to sign a " 'Any Means Necessary' bill. Why dress it up as something that extreme? At the end of the day, he has a fear of openly aligning or speaking directly to black groups, as clearly stated in his lack of mentioning race during the course of his Presidency or when he's talking down to blacks as he did last year.

He has online proxies explaining how he's been beneficial to the black community while not saying it himself.

I'm not dressing up Black wants as radical, I only used it Any Means Necessary as an example but I'm not in total disagreement, but every time Barack Obama has spoken explicitly on Black issues, it's not from a Black enough standpoint, I remember when he went he spoke in African American fathers needing to take responsibility for their children, people said, well he's not really Black or he doesn't know the African-American experience. It's like we hear only what we wanna hear and I think this is the case with Cornel West because he wasn't saying any of that mess when Clinton passed that fukked up welfare bill or when NAFTA passed further destroying manufacturing jobs that have been holding up Black communities in the midwest however delicately. Even though he is an opponent of the free market.

I just think it's crazy for us to be asking things of Obama that we haven't asked anyone of in the past anyone in the past 20 or so years. Obama is not a Black leader, never was and never will be. Also I disagree with the idea that we squandered our political capital, we didn't. We as Blacks have more power than we have in 50 or so years, I just hope we realize it.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

He has online proxies explaining how he's been beneficial to the black community while not saying it himself.

Let's be 100 about it though, we could've very easily been looking at President Romney if Obama focused just a c*nthair too much on addressing black America.

Again, he's been playing a ballgame that none of us have to.