"We're Just Ghosts in a Shell, A Bunch of Hollow Knights. Not Ready" Official '24-25 NY Knicks Season Thread

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That’s why you move him to the FO. Also we seen Dolan fire coaches the year after a contract too. Malone just signed that new contract and is out there, and Lowkey he might give the Knicks a little discount since he is getting paid from Denver.


For me it’s not a matter if we beat the pistons, it’s how fast we beat the pistons. If they take the Knicks to 6-7 games this was a good year for them. If they take us to 6-7 games and we then lose to the Celtics, this was not a good year for us. If the Knicks win their final game they have improved their record by 1 game after trading their second best player, another starter, and five 1st round picks.

If you don’t think Thibs is on the hot seat your purposefully ignoring the signs.
Knicks are a third seed for a reason. Does anyone actually believe that this team as constructed is better than the Cavs or Celtics??? So how exactly is, if they advance to the semifinals & lose to Boston a bad season if the Celtics are superior team?
 

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Knicks are a third seed for a reason. Does anyone actually believe that this team as constructed is better than the Cavs or Celtics??? So how exactly is, if they advance to the semifinals & lose to Boston a bad season if the Celtics are superior team?
First we, the casual fans have been talking about they needed to avoid the Celtics and instead the Knicks worked their asses off to improve their record by one game to face them.

Second McBride should have taken Hart’s place with the starters months ago. Let’s go deeper the way it looks that Mikal & OG have fallen back as soon as Brunson got comfortable screams a coaching issue. Sometimes as a coach his job is to figure out ways for Brunson to be less ball dominant.

Don’t get me started on the lack of KAT/Mitch minutes with the rest of the starters.

Kolek has shown promise, but is buried on the bench most games
Wright played really well when everyone was injured, but Shamet got 15 minutes to get 3 rebounds the last game .

The Knicks might have been destined for the 3rd seed but they shouldn’t look like a treadmill team. Especially when there are options on the bench Thibs refuses to try.

Yeah...realistically the only scenarios where Thibs gets fired this year involve losing to Detroit in Round 1.
Based on what? Lowered expectations?

I think the FO traded their second best player, another starter, and 5 first round picks last season. Thibs had them looking good to begin with and as soon as other teams adapted to that….. he had no answer. So on one hand we’ve seen that this team can produce. It’s just, after other teams adapted, Thibs had no idea how to compensate and adapt to those other teams.

The fact that people want to blame the players when there was a point these same players was putting up the best offense in the league is crazy. They might still be the best offense if Thibs put McBride with the starters.

Don’t get me started on how Thibs has been running drop back defense and trying to rely on KaT to anchor that and he never fukking considered having a team with Mikal, Hart, and OG do more switching or god forbid run zone on teams that can’t shoot the three.

The last issue is the biggest red flag. After the trade deadline when instead of the Knicks getting another center because they traded Sims for Wright (who plays well but Thibs has buried….) Thibs tells the FO to get PJ Tucker because they need leadership. There isn’t a bigger red flag shyt aint right if the coach is getting a 37 year old Tucker to be locker room leader for a bunch of guys who are like 29 years old. The roster isn’t even knuckleheads, everybody is mature, normal guys. So Why the fukk does Thibs need a locker room leader unless he has started to lose the locker room?

So unless this team gets to the at least the ECF Thibs is probably out of here, the signs are all there. I think people respect Thibs, so they can be in denial, but it’s time he joins the FO.
 

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Mikal, Hart and Mitch for KD
OG and Mitch for KD
Towns for KD
The second trade probably won't happen, but I can see it with the other two. I don't think I'd consider a trade for KD unless he decides to reup for way less than a max, but I bet the Knicks will this offseason.
Towns is untouchable. He's been wverything they couldve hoped for.

Mikal is out for sure. He has disappeared in every big game
 

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Based on what? Lowered expectations?

I think the FO traded their second best player, another starter, and 5 first round picks last season. Thibs had them looking good to begin with and as soon as other teams adapted to that….. he had no answer. So on one hand we’ve seen that this team can produce. It’s just, after other teams adapted, Thibs had no idea how to compensate and adapt to those other teams.

The fact that people want to blame the players when there was a point these same players was putting up the best offense in the league is crazy. They might still be the best offense if Thibs put McBride with the starters.

Don’t get me started on how Thibs has been running drop back defense and trying to rely on KaT to anchor that and he never fukking considered having a team with Mikal, Hart, and OG do more switching or god forbid run zone on teams that can’t shoot the three.

The last issue is the biggest red flag. After the trade deadline when instead of the Knicks getting another center because they traded Sims for Wright (who plays well but Thibs has buried….) Thibs tells the FO to get PJ Tucker because they need leadership. There isn’t a bigger red flag shyt aint right if the coach is getting a 37 year old Tucker to be locker room leader for a bunch of guys who are like 29 years old. The roster isn’t even knuckleheads, everybody is mature, normal guys. So Why the fukk does Thibs need a locker room leader unless he has started to lose the locker room?

So unless this team gets to the at least the ECF Thibs is probably out of here, the signs are all there. I think people respect Thibs, so they can be in denial, but it’s time he joins the FO.

To answer your question it based the fact this roster currently constructed was never beating Boston regardless of the HC.

This isn't me advocating for Thibs. This is me saying Leon isn't going to fire his mans for losing to a team nobody thinks they should beat anyway. All your other points can be 100% valid, does not really matter IMO.

As far as the "ECF" ultimatum. The only reason we were puffing out chest out talking "ECF or bust" to start the year was because it was assumed they would be the 2nd best team in the East and not have to deal with Boston until the conference finals. Cleveland lapping everybody was unexpected.
 

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The tv show Sports media who do things for clicks and the coli doing what they do best which is hate on the knicks.

Knicks in 5 or maybe even a sweep against the pistons.
 

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To answer your question it based the fact this roster currently constructed was never beating Boston regardless of the HC.

This isn't me advocating for Thibs. This is me saying Leon isn't going to fire his mans for losing to a team nobody thinks they should beat anyway. All your other points can be 100% valid, does not really matter IMO.

As far as the "ECF" ultimatum. The only reason we were puffing out chest out talking "ECF or bust" to start the year was because it was assumed they would be the 2nd best team in the East and not have to deal with Boston until the conference finals. Cleveland lapping everybody was unexpected.
Boom. This all that needed to be said.
 

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To answer your question it based the fact this roster currently constructed was never beating Boston regardless of the HC.

This isn't me advocating for Thibs. This is me saying Leon isn't going to fire his mans for losing to a team nobody thinks they should beat anyway. All your other points can be 100% valid, does not really matter IMO.

As far as the "ECF" ultimatum. The only reason we were puffing out chest out talking "ECF or bust" to start the year was because it was assumed they would be the 2nd best team in the East and not have to deal with Boston until the conference finals. Cleveland lapping everybody was unexpected.
It’s not firing your man if you Brad Steven’s him.

Once again forget the roster for second, them getting PJ Tucker is a sign Thibs lost the locker room.

Also you’re assuming the players aren’t looking at each other like “why ain’t we good enough to be in the ECFs”? KAT was there last year, Brunson been there too before he got here. Thibs gonna get bumped up they don’t make it to the ECF.
 

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nikkas been telling us forever, that there’s a difference between the playoffs and the regular season, an blonde that were an established vet team, where we’ve seen everyone on this team PERFORM in the playoffs, I’m supposed to just believe this team is going to roll over because they played poorly in games that meant nothing?
“I think who you are in the regular season is who you are in the playoffs”

-Nikola Jokic
 

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It’s not firing your man if you Brad Steven’s him.

Once again forget the roster for second, them getting PJ Tucker is a sign Thibs lost the locker room.

Also you’re assuming the players aren’t looking at each other like “why ain’t we good enough to be in the ECFs”? KAT was there last year, Brunson been there too before he got here. Thibs gonna get bumped up they don’t make it to the ECF.
This team is not beating the Celtics if they both advance. Like @mvp_status said, this ECF or bust is unrealistic this season.

What folks are failing to realize is you have to change your realistic goals as the season progresses.
 

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It’s not firing your man if you Brad Steven’s him.

Once again forget the roster for second, them getting PJ Tucker is a sign Thibs lost the locker room.

Also you’re assuming the players aren’t looking at each other like “why ain’t we good enough to be in the ECFs”? KAT was there last year, Brunson been there too before he got here. Thibs gonna get bumped up they don’t make it to the ECF.

If you think Thibs of all people is gonna just be cool sitting in a press box next year, watching somebody else take his dream job, I got a Dame Dash business venture I wanna run by you real quick.

I'm trying to bring you along slowly so you don't pop a blood vessel when Thibs is still coaching in October lol. But if you want to die alone on this ECF hill, you got it
 
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If you think Thibs of all people is gonna just be cool sitting in a press box watching somebody else take his dream job, I got a Dame Dash business venture I wanna run by you real quick.

I'm trying to bring you along slowly so you don't pop a blood vessel when Thibs is still coaching in October lol, but if you want to die alone on this ECF hill, handle your business
Honestly, I’m not sure it’s a forgone conclusion he sticks with the team.

The biggest point to @Wargames argument is we went all in with draft picks & resources to surround Jalen and win a championship.

If we really were cool with what we had we wouldn’t have traded Randle especially before his contract was even up.

Coaches are getting fired for less and Thibs hasn’t been to the ECF since he was with the Bulls.

That might not mean anything from one perspective but if you look at the totality of his coaching, what we’ve done the past couple years, where the team is currently at, what opposing teams have done in the same timespan….it looks very shaky for Thibs.

Idk the front office may be dumb but they have awareness.
 

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Honestly, I’m not sure it’s a forgone conclusion he sticks with the team.

The biggest point to @Wargames argument is we went all in with draft picks & resources to surround Jalen and win a championship.

If we really were cool with what we had we wouldn’t have traded Randle especially before his contract was even up.

Coaches are getting fired for less and Thibs hasn’t been to the ECF since he was with the Bulls.

That might not mean anything from one perspective but if you look at the totality of his coaching, what we’ve done the past couple years, where the team is currently at, what opposing teams have done in the same timespan….it looks very shaky for Thibs.

Idk the front office may be dumb but they have awareness.

You've watched this season. 51-31

Is it the coach or is it the players?
 

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Honestly, I’m not sure it’s a forgone conclusion he sticks with the team.

The biggest point to @Wargames argument is we went all in with draft picks & resources to surround Jalen and win a championship.

If we really were cool with what we had we wouldn’t have traded Randle especially before his contract was even up.

Coaches are getting fired for less and Thibs hasn’t been to the ECF since he was with the Bulls.

That might not mean anything from one perspective but if you look at the totality of his coaching, what we’ve done the past couple years, where the team is currently at, what opposing teams have done in the same timespan….it looks very shaky for Thibs.

Idk the front office may be dumb but they have awareness.

Its public knowledge the Knicks were trying to trade Randle since 2023 so idk about all that. And trading Randle for KAT didnt require any real thought, any GM who's decent at their job makes that move 10 out of 10 times.

And why do coaches get fired? For underperforming. If the Knicks lose to Boston in round 2, that is not that.

If for example they played Indy again this year and lost in rd 2. I would be the first one screaming get this hunchback nikka off my team.

But losing to a team in round 3 and it being a success vs. Losing to the SAME team a round earlier and now yall expect the coach to get canned? yall buggin lol
 

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You've watched this season. 51-31

Is it the coach or is it the players?
Both. The team is talented but very flawed. Extremely top heavy.

The coaching however prevented us for getting more wins. Too many games the team came in lackadaisical, unprepared & unadjusted.

There was a clear advantage in talent whenever we faced teams such as the Hornets and Wizards.

That advantage went away against the Rockets and Pistons, talented but slightly above average teams.

Lastly, that advantage was nonexistent against the upper echelon, Cavs, Celtics & Thunder.

A better prepared & coached team sneaks in at least one win against those last 3.

We had none.
 
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