Were Avengers Endgame and Infinity War great films? or great comic book films?

[Brandsdale]

endgame moves kinda fast but the action and CGI make it a very watchable movie for your average action movie lover

Infinity War is a WHOLE ass movie tho man

 

[hex]

The problem with your logic is that you’re selling Thanos short as a villain and how they portrayed him. You’re also downplaying the power of each individual stone.

No offense but I gotta cut you off right there.

Again, you can go on literally any social media and/or Google any article about Thanos (prior to "Infinity War") and he was seen as a joke. Also, he started the movie with zero stones.

So he was just a guy that sat on his ass for 10ish movies. Hell, Thanos was such a joke this Twitter account was actually followed by the Russos, who acknowledged it would be an up hill battle to change public perception of the character:

https://twitter.com/lonelythanos?lang=en

Fred.

 

[darryl]

They're both classics in every sense of the word. Dudes in here prop up godfather, goodfellas, heat, like they're some untouchable shyt because society has shoved that in your face for years. There isnt anything special about those movies. Anything. If someone wanted to say infinity war>goodfellas, so be it. that's their opinion

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

No offense but I gotta cut you off right there.

Again, you can go on literally any social media and/or Google any article about Thanos (prior to "Infinity War") and he was seen as a joke. Also, he started the movie with zero stones.

So he was just a guy that sat on his ass for 10ish movies. Hell, Thanos was such a joke this Twitter account was actually followed by the Russos, who acknowledged it would be an up hill battle to change public perception of the character:

https://twitter.com/lonelythanos?lang=en

Fred.

You're making the assumption that everyone felt that way about Thanos by using examples from the Twitter and the internet. Twitter doesn't speak for everybody that has/have seen the prior films and how they felt about Thanos.

A lot of people had no prior clue who Thanos even was or know of the concept behind the infinity stones/gauntlet. If they did, then they would have known how much of a threat Thanos was and the fact that he was going to wash EVERYBODY that he came into contact with once he got the stones.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

They're both classics in every sense of the word. Dudes in here prop up godfather, goodfellas, heat, like they're some untouchable shyt because society has shoved that in your face for years. There isnt anything special about those movies.

 

[AllHolosEve]

-To me they're GREAT comic movies, I wouldn't compare them to other movies. Neither would be anything as a stand alone without a whole universe behind them.
-If you talking just GREAT I got Infinity War as solid movie. Still wouldn't understand shyt without the other movies.


-When I kinda compare comic movies to other franchises I try to see how much I'd be interested if it was a movie without the name on it would I still be interested.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I seen "Infinity War" first showing, opening night.

Hell no I didn't think Thanos would steam roll the Avengers for 2 hours. Because again, there was 20+ movies prior to that with a very specific formula. They win. The end.

For him to kill Loki and beat up Hulk in the first 5 minutes of the movie....you seen that? It was predictable to you? Come on man.

You can pull up reaction videos to the movie from damn near every place in the world....and the outcomes to any confrontation in the movie clearly weren't expected. I know it's cool to say this in retrospect after "Endgame" but at the time? No.

As far as your last line, an MCU movie being centered around a villain, who actually wins in the end. Which again, nobody expected.
No offense man but a lot of your post seems retroactive as hell. "Thanos is built up as a Deus Ex Machina who just wins"....the hell?

Thanos was seen as a fukking joke prior to "Infinity War". Dude sat on his ass for like 10 movies, since the first "Avengers". There's literally hundreds of memes and jokes (most of which appeared on this site) talking about how useless he is. Again, prior to "Infinity War". So obviously the outcome to that movie wasn't expected.

Fred.

I mean, maybe the movie's target audience was more fellas like you.

It's the finale in a long series. They build up for a LONG ass time that there are six stones. And you seriously thought he wasn't going to get those stones? That the entire two-movie finale would be Thanos bumbling around failing to get stones?

Even if you knew nothing else whatsoever, you KNEW he would get at least 5 of the 6 stones and probably all 6. Otherwise where would the fukking drama be? You KNEW he had to win the fights in the first movie. Otherwise why would there even be two movies? Since you know the Avengers would win at the end of the 2nd flick, you really think they were going to win at the end of the 1st flick too?

You think they would make a whole-ass movie about the Avengers beating the shyt out of the same guy they had just beat in the previous movie and that would get folk excited to watch.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Hell no I didn't think Thanos would steam roll the Avengers for 2 hours. Because again, there was 20+ movies prior to that with a very specific formula. They win. The end.

The formula was always that the Avengers win in the end after first facing the verge of defeat.

There's no drama in them winning in the end unless they've lost before that. Since we already knew it was a 2-movie series, we knew they had to spend most if not all of the first movie losing otherwise there's no point in a 2nd movie.

I didn't know Thanos would snap at the end of the 1st flick. But the fights. If he isn't dominant in any of those fights then the story is over and we haven't gotten to the 2nd movie, so what's the point? You knew he had to win the fights in the first movie just to justify the comeback story in the 2nd movie.

Endgame was unpredictable as fukk tho. Thanos getting killed 10 minutes in, old Thanos coming back, Tony Stark stealing the stones....all that shyt came out of nowhere. All the real depression trying to deal with life in the first half, the actual angst that humanity was going through. You knew the Avengers had to win but at least they put you on a roller coaster getting there. It wasn't just the inevitable supervillain stomping fools for two hours straight.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I think what made Infinity War unpredictable is how many casualties there were obviously we knew most would be revived but nonetheless and how the movie ends on a WTF just happened.. note. They could have easily went the route where Thanos "wins" but they fought him off and "we'll meet again!" type shyt or at least tried to give the audience some hope.. the only real hope is in the midcredit scene and even then.

 

[Family Lives Matter]

Anybody who considers these great films for any other reason than entertainment value probably got held back a few years