Were Avengers Endgame and Infinity War great films? or great comic book films?

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Isn't that kinda what you wanted though..

Tony Stark and Black Widow died. Cap retired. Thor gave up his crown.

Fan service was kinda warranted. It was a goodbye and a thank you to the fans that supported the franchise day one.

I wouldn’t consider that fan service. Also, Thor is still getting is still getting films, so giving up his crown doesn’t mean anything in the slightest.
 

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I mean lets compare Endgame vs Heat.

Essentially they’re two heist movies right? Endgame is great but its no where near as good as Heat. Inception is essentially another heist film, but is Avengers better? I can’t say that. I love Avengers fyi and while i’ll concede that Winter Soldier is the better film Civil War is one of my favorite movies all time.

So when we start getting into the nitty gritty, you gotta start splitting hairs and the measuring stick changes.

"Endgame" > "Heat"

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I still don't get the Infinity War hype on here. It's just a series of predictable fight scenes and you know who is going to win every time. What would possibly make it a great film? :dahell:

HOW SWAY?

Thanos steam rolled the Avengers for 2 hours then wiped out half the universe. After 20+ movies of them winning nonstop.

I don't think either film is particularly great but to say "Infinity War" was predictable is wild to me.

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HOW SWAY?

Thanos steam rolled the Avengers for 2 hours then wiped out half the universe. After 20+ movies of them winning nonstop.

I don't think either film is particularly great but to say "Infinity War" was predictable is wild to me.

Fred.

It was predictable in the aspect that every knew that the snap was going to be undone and everyone would be back.
 

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It was predictable in the aspect that every knew that the snap was going to be undone and everyone would be back.

He didn't say that though, he said the fights were predictable and you knew who was going to win.

Them undoing the snap in a whole other movie a year later has nothing to do with any of that. And hell, I told people a good 2-3 years before the movies came out that the snap would be undone because the same thing happened in the comics. So I don't understand holding that against the movies. It's in the source material.

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He didn't say that though, he said the fights were predictable and you knew who was going to win.

Them undoing the snap in a whole other movie a year later has nothing to do with any of that. And hell, I told people a good 2-3 years before the movies came out that the snap would be undone because the same thing happened in the comics. So I don't understand holding that against the movies. It's in the source material.

Fred.

I mean you did know who was going to win if you knew of what happened in the comics and the concept of the infinity stones and gauntlet. Just because its in the source material doesn't mean that it has to be followed to a T. I personally think that everyone shouldn't have been brought back from the snap.
 

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HOW SWAY?

Thanos steam rolled the Avengers for 2 hours then wiped out half the universe. After 20+ movies of them winning nonstop.

I don't think either film is particularly great but to say "Infinity War" was predictable is wild to me.

Fred.
You didn't know he was going to win every one of those fights? What did you think was going to happen? :why:

Everyone knew it was a two-movie series. The second movie was obviously only going to happen if he was still winning in the first movie, that's always the progression. And Thanos is built up as a Deus Ex Machina who just wins every interaction no matter what. If Thanos lost then the movie would have ended and what would the point of the 2nd movie have been?

We didn't know he was going to succeed already in wiping out half the universe but that's literally just a few seconds at the end of the movie, that doesn't change you watching every fight and just sitting there waiting for Thanos to win again.

Can you answer the question about what Infinity War brings to the table outside of a series of kinda mediocre fight scenes with great CGI?
 

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You didn't know he was going to win every one of those fights? What did you think was going to happen? :why:

Everyone knew it was a two-movie series. The second movie was obviously only going to happen if he was still winning in the first movie, that's always the progression. And Thanos is built up as a Deus Ex Machina who just wins every interaction no matter what. If Thanos lost then the movie would have ended and what would the point of the 2nd movie have been?

We didn't know he was going to succeed already in wiping out half the universe but that's literally just a few seconds at the end of the movie, that doesn't change you watching every fight and just sitting there waiting for Thanos to win again.

Can you answer the question about what Infinity War brings to the table outside of a series of kinda mediocre fight scenes with great CGI?

I seen "Infinity War" first showing, opening night.

Hell no I didn't think Thanos would steam roll the Avengers for 2 hours. Because again, there was 20+ movies prior to that with a very specific formula. They win. The end.

For him to kill Loki and beat up Hulk in the first 5 minutes of the movie....you seen that? It was predictable to you? Come on man.

You can pull up reaction videos to the movie from damn near every place in the world....and the outcomes to any confrontation in the movie clearly weren't expected. I know it's cool to say this in retrospect after "Endgame" but at the time? No.

As far as your last line, an MCU movie being centered around a villain, who actually wins in the end. Which again, nobody expected.
No offense man but a lot of your post seems retroactive as hell. "Thanos is built up as a Deus Ex Machina who just wins"....the hell? :gucci::mjlol:

Thanos was seen as a fukking joke prior to "Infinity War". Dude sat on his ass for like 10 movies, since the first "Avengers". There's literally hundreds of memes and jokes (most of which appeared on this site) talking about how useless he is. Again, prior to "Infinity War". So obviously the outcome to that movie wasn't expected.

Fred.
 

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I seen "Infinity War" first showing, opening night.

Hell no I didn't think Thanos would steam roll the Avengers for 2 hours. Because again, there was 20+ movies prior to that with a very specific formula. They win. The end.

For him to kill Loki and beat up Hulk in the first 5 minutes of the movie....you seen that? It was predictable to you? Come on man.

You can pull up reaction videos to the movie from damn near every place in the world....and the outcomes to any confrontation in the movie clearly weren't expected. I know it's cool to say this in retrospect after "Endgame" but at the time? No.

As far as your last line, an MCU movie being centered around a villain, who actually wins in the end. Which again, nobody expected.
No offense man but a lot of your post seems retroactive as hell. "Thanos is built up as a Deus Ex Machina who just wins"....the hell? :gucci::mjlol:

Thanos was seen as a fukking joke prior to "Infinity War". Dude sat on his ass for like 10 movies, since the first "Avengers". There's literally hundreds of memes and jokes (most of which appeared on this site) talking about how useless he is. Again, prior to "Infinity War". So obviously the outcome to that movie wasn't expected.

Fred.

The problem with your logic is that you’re selling Thanos short as a villain and how they portrayed him. You’re also downplaying the power of each individual stone. You saw how powerful the infinity stones were individually, so why wouldn’t people think he would a threat if he at least got even one? No one should have been surprised that he washed Hulk and Loki because he already had a stone in his possession. Nor the fact that he washed everybody he came into contact with.

The only reason people who have that logic is because they have had the mindset that the superhero will always pull out a win in the end. Which going previously Marvel films have been the case.
 
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I don't wanna throw water on the accomplishments but I am seeing a lot of this "it was 20 movies of one continuous story.." and that's not really true. Most of the movies didn't have much to do with the Infinity War story line. Just throwing that out there..
 

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Infinity War was a great movie just in and of itself. Its so bound to the series that its more like a season finale than just an isolated narrative. You have to have some knowledge of the series to even begin to start watching the movie, but I can fault it for that. It was put together so well.

Endgame was such a triumph of pulling so many movies and different tones together that it gets an extra point for just dismounting as gracefully as they did after SO MUCH set up. It was a great finale. I like IW better. But the last movie was totally fine.

Personally MCU buried all other series. Especially comic movies, but I can't think of a series of movies of any type that can be held up against it.

They did such a good job that I am actually done with Avengers. I'm satisfied. The latest Spider Man kinda just made me mad. Its over. Y'all did it. Nothing else to be said there.
 

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Tell da truth brehs.....when Thanos got da gauntlet in Endgame n was bout to snap his fingers.....for a split second.....didn’t u think he was gonna win again?
 
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