We Will Catch Punts!!! The offical 2012 San Francisco 49ers off-season thread

[LastEmperor2k2]

Is it really fair to compare the last 3 years of VD against the last 3 years of Crabs, when this is Crabs first 3 years in the league. For a fair comparison, you'd have to compare VD's first 3 years vs Crabs first 3 years.
Look, I'm not arguing that Crabs is an elite #1 receiver; realistically, I don't think ANYBODY is arguing that. The point I'm making is that he's gotten better each year he's been here, yet people still say he's a subpar receiver...I just don't see it. It's as if because he doesn't run go routes right past people all day, in your mind he'll never amount to a #1 receiver.

Nobody is saying he is sub-par, he's just a huge disappointment. 10th overall and he plays like a 3rd round pick.

I say he is a B- player, but the problem is we picked a guy like Willis at around the same spot and he is best in the league. Davis was the 6th overall and he is a top 5 TE, now you look at Crabtree he is not even top 25

 

[B90X]

Nobody is saying he is sub-par, he's just a huge disappointment. 10th overall and he plays like a 3rd round pick.

I say he is a B- player, but the problem is we picked a guy like Willis at around the same spot and he is best in the league. Davis was the 6th overall and he is a top 5 TE, now you look at Crabtree he is not even top 25

So, should you really be mad at Crabtree or mad at the scouting department/GM/Coaches who said this is the guy we want? If Crabtree is what he is, then this should've been known during the evaluation process.
Everything he's showing in the pros, he showed in college. It's up to the people in the FO to determine if that was his floor or ceiling. I don't blame Crabtree for getting selected 10th overall. If I'm going to blame anybody, I'd blame the scouting department and/or coaches/evaluators who felt that he was the pick to be made at 10.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

So, should you really be mad at Crabtree or mad at the scouting department/GM/Coaches who said this is the guy we want? If Crabtree is what he is, then this should've been known during the evaluation process.
Everything he's showing in the pros, he showed in college. It's up to the people in the FO to determine if that was his floor or ceiling. I don't blame Crabtree for getting selected 10th overall. If I'm going to blame anybody, I'd blame the scouting department and/or coaches/evaluators who felt that he was the pick to be made at 10.

Considering the team is entirely different in the front office and coaching, i`m not pinning it on the organization.

He was widely regarded as the #1 WR in that draft, so I don't think we really went wrong on the scouting anyway.

And I blame Crabtree because it's on him to be better.. He seems to never take responsibility, he wants balls thrown to him when he is covered tightly and it's never his fault. He doesn't think "I need to get more separation" he thinks "Just throw it to me, i`m a star i`ll make a play"

 

[B90X]

Considering the team is entirely different in the front office and coaching, i`m not pinning it on the organization.

He was widely regarded as the #1 WR in that draft, so I don't think we really went wrong on the scouting anyway.

And I blame Crabtree because it's on him to be better.. He seems to never take responsibility, he wants balls thrown to him when he is covered tightly and it's never his fault. He doesn't think "I need to get more separation" he thinks "Just throw it to me, i`m a star i`ll make a play"

Well, what would you rather have, a WR who doesn't want the ball in those situations (JJ Stokes) or a receiver who is saying he wants to be the go to guy, throw him the ball and let him make a play?
I'd rather have Crabtree saying he wants the ball than him just saying nothing. At least it shows that he has a passion and wants to contribute.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Well, what would you rather have, a WR who doesn't want the ball in those situations (JJ Stokes) or a receiver who is saying he wants to be the go to guy, throw him the ball and let him make a play?
I'd rather have Crabtree saying he wants the ball than him just saying nothing. At least it shows that he has a passion and wants to contribute.

He is saying he wants to be the go to guy, but he isn't that guy.

First he needs to become great, then he can make the demands. I`d like to see him work hard in the off-season and build a rapport with Smith, maybe then he`ll get the ball a bit more.

I`m sure he`ll just do his usual routine and just expect balls to come to him when he is covered like a blanket, then cry to the media about it. This time next year we wont have to worry though, he`ll probably have a pretty good stat year, maybe even break 1000 yards due to the fact he is not the threat of the offense, then he`ll move on and try and get a fat deal with his 1 year of production

 

[yseJ]

Is it really fair to compare the last 3 years of VD against the last 3 years of Crabs, when this is Crabs first 3 years in the league. For a fair comparison, you'd have to compare VD's first 3 years vs Crabs first 3 years.
Look, I'm not arguing that Crabs is an elite #1 receiver; realistically, I don't think ANYBODY is arguing that. The point I'm making is that he's gotten better each year he's been here, yet people still say he's a subpar receiver...I just don't see it. It's as if because he doesn't run go routes right past people all day, in your mind he'll never amount to a #1 receiver.

he's not a subpar receiver, no one is saying that. and once he shows elite playmaker skills he can be a #1 WR.
Id rather be wrong than right about this so I dont have preconceived notions. it's all from his performance on the field.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

he's not a subpar receiver, no one is saying that. and once he shows elite playmaker skills he can be a #1 WR.
Id rather be wrong than right about this so I dont have preconceived notions. it's all from his performance on the field.

That's where I`m at, I hope i`m 100% wrong, but I just don't see it happening.

3 years and he's proven to me he is a #2 WR. He's a compliment, a hands guy who can do some of the dirty work and get a little RAC here and again.

The fact that Heyward Bey outperformed him last year is embarrassing as a 49ers fan.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Crabs overrated, stop the excuses for dude.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Crabs overrated, stop the excuses for dude.

I don't get the defense for the guy honestly.

 

[yseJ]

Crabs has been playing with garbage QB's his entire career. WTF are you talking about?

so has brandon lloyd. he actually played with worse QBs during his Niners era

in fact, Lloyd had 730/5TDs in alex's rookie year, where he threw only 1 TD all year and rattay was the other QB....that team was utterly garbage. gore wasnt the feature back yet. the offense had battle and other bums.

yet Lloyd showed playmaking ability crabs never showed, even with alex and rattay at QB.

again, have you seen fitz's stats with garbage qbs last year ? or who was throwing to andre johnson in the playoffs ? lets not try and make it look like alex is worse than those qbs too

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

so has brandon lloyd. he actually played with worse QBs during his Niners era

in fact, Lloyd had 730/5TDs in alex's rookie year, where he threw only 1 TD all year and rattay was the other QB....that team was utterly garbage. gore wasnt the feature back yet. the offense had battle and other bums.

yet Lloyd showed playmaking ability crabs never showed, even with alex and rattay at QB.

again, have you seen fitz's stats with garbage qbs last year ? or who was throwing to andre johnson in the playoffs ? lets not try and make it look like alex is worse than those qbs too

Lloyd was definitely a playmaker, he was just childish and immature, that dude would make great catches in tough spots on a regular basis. Patriots gonna go to work with him this year

I still hate that we didn't trade for him this year, I think we would have got to the SB if so

 

[feelosofer]

Ok guys don't get at each other's throats we're all Niners fans at the end of the day, ok.


That being said, despite my issues with Crabtree, I still think he is our #1 receiver moving forward. We have to keep in mind he usually has defenses covering him with a CB and a FS overhead which makes it difficult for him to really break out. Furthermore his camp injuries make it difficult for him to get a rapport with Alex Smith. I cannot excuse the fact he didn't show up in the playoffs but he's been solid in the regular season. Furthermore, he is quietly the best blocking WR in the game, he does it enthusiastically and he does it well. Now people will say 'I don't pay my receivers to block' but its an underrated skill and a reason why we continue to have such an effective ground, and play action pass game.

Here is the flip side of this, for the money we are paying him, this is the last year for him to prove he should be a #1. If he doesn't he a least 900 yds receiving and 8 TD's, I think his role and paycheck should be reassessed because the previous posters were right, Brandon LLoyd despite his immaturity was a gamebreaking WR at times or at the very least you knew he was a #1 receiver and he had far less to work with.

But also in mentioning this, there is an increased pressure on Alex Smith in the undercurrents, he has to spread the ball out more and give Harbaugh a reason for us to make more pass attempts. Alex proved two things, he was efficient and and he's athletic, he has definitely showed some legit improvement but can he evolve into a legit starter as opposed to a starter by committee in a sense, we have to see.

 

[JLova]

so has brandon lloyd. he actually played with worse QBs during his Niners era

in fact, Lloyd had 730/5TDs in alex's rookie year, where he threw only 1 TD all year and rattay was the other QB....that team was utterly garbage. gore wasnt the feature back yet. the offense had battle and other bums.

yet Lloyd showed playmaking ability crabs never showed, even with alex and rattay at QB.

again, have you seen fitz's stats with garbage qbs last year ? or who was throwing to andre johnson in the playoffs ? lets not try and make it look like alex is worse than those qbs too

Why bring up Loyd when Crabs has put up better numbers? Loyd had 1 good season in his entire career.

And are we going to compare McCarthy's offense to 2 years in Raye's? Again, you dislike the player so you throw context out the window when comparing him to others.

Who would you say are better QB's at the time Rattay or Carr, Hill, T. Smith?

Crabs has shown playmaking ability as well.


As far as TJ Yates and Andre Johnson.. Thsi is how I know you're not being honest in this discussion. AJ played 5 games with Yates.

week 12 2 for 22 0TD
week 13 4 for 97 0TD
week 17 2 for 21 0TD
Week 18 5 for 90 1TD
Week 19 4 for 111 0TD

Looks pretty pedestrian to me. Yates is actually on par with Smith and better than Troy Smith/Carr whom Crabs had to play with for 7 fukking games.

 

[JLova]

Crabs overrated, stop the excuses for dude.

How can a guy who is constantly shytted on be overrated? Most of his detractors are Alex Smtih fanboys so it's not really surprising. I mean, when you say he's the 3rd,4th string receiver on the team, you're a fukking clown.

 

[Rekkapryde]

How can a guy who is constantly shytted on be overrated? Most of his detractors are Alex Smtih fanboys so it's not really surprising. I mean, when you say he's the 3rd,4th string receiver on the team, you're a fukking clown.

he was drafted to be a number 1 guy, and he's not. I don't ever see him being a 1 either.