We owe Spike Lee a huge Apology

[storyteller]

White/Puertorican. His point is your not black, and that is clear by your replies
It would be like me speaking on Puertorican issues whatever they may be
I was writing a script called Dwetback, and it was gonna have some Goya in it

Thats all I got

And even tho I say your not black, even if you was you probably wouldn't know about it too much.
Most spanish ppl I know, they act like a Dark ass spanish person isn't of african decent.
Puerto Ricans get along well with Negro's for a very good reason...

African immigration to Puerto Rico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That African part is my point. Puerto Ricans have African DNA in their heritage even more so according to some studies than Taino (which is dominant over other amerindian dna by a lot with us) blood because of the uprooting and forced integration we faced (with a hefty amount of injustice)...and that goes back to my first statement "If QT wants to make a movie about angry Taino's hunting down Spaniards, I'll be at the front of the line." I know the history and respect it, and I would love for someone to shine a light on it even if the execution was a little bit sloppy...just getting a larger part of the population to know

And like I've been saying for this whole discussion...I can respect anyone's opinion who's willing to support it with evidence or actual discourse. I never said Spike was wrong, but that he didn't give anything to support his comments and that he made it sound like a crusade on twitter...which has been his typical habit. Dude is critical of everyone and at some point, it comes off insincere.

This dude does the same thing. "It's exploitation...Fact." Without explaining why he feels it's exploitation. That's an uneducated argument that's exacerbated even more when his only responses are "You must be white" ...If you can't bolster your arguments with actual substance, you wind up just throwing insults out...that's a sign of being uneducated and that's been dude's only real move throughout the thread.

 

[Gravity]

This dude does the same thing. "It's exploitation...Fact." Without explaining why he feels it's exploitation. That's an uneducated argument that's exacerbated even more when his only responses are "You must be white" ...If you can't bolster your arguments with actual substance, you wind up just throwing insults out...that's a sign of being uneducated and that's been dude's only real move throughout the thread.

How the movie exploits slavery has been explained plenty of times. It's quite simple actually. The entire premise of the movie exploits slavery. QT used slavery as the backdrop of his action-revenge flick. Slavery is the vehicle used to drive the fictional story. That's how it exploits slavery. Obviously you don't understand what "exploit" means so you need to look it up.

 

[FreshABM]

LoL, I said in my first post in this thread that I'm a Puerto Rican. You make blanket statements without evidence to support it, you clearly lack the education to be worth talking to. Run along kiddo...I ain't bothering with you any more.

So Puerto Rican is a race??? Its unbelievable to me how unintelligent some ppl are ...Im naive to ppl actually being this dumb........So you cannot be a white puerto rican??? or a black puerto rican?? or even a fuccin asian puerto rican???

funny thing about this whole debate is it is basically a bunch of white people trying to tell black people what they should or should not be offended by.as if we don't have a right to offended unless we have a white persons permission. if you know something offends somebody and you do it anyway you are intentionally being offensive whether you agree with it or not.

Basically bro......these CAC's think we can't see threw them...You can tell who they are just by their responses


So my black brother I tell you this.....its 2013 .......and you still can clearly see by this thread how CAC's feel about slavery and its seriousness.....these other brothers think all these CAC's are your friends.......NOooooooooooooooo

They hate you..they hate the way you look........they hate that we strive to do better...basically they hate anything thats not a CAC.........BLACK PPL WAKE UP

 

[storyteller]

How the movie exploits slavery has been explained plenty of times. It's quite simple actually. The entire premise of the movie exploits slavery. QT used slavery as the backdrop of his action-revenge flick. Slavery is the vehicle used to drive the fictional story. That's how it exploits slavery. Obviously you don't understand what "exploit" means so you need to look it up.

You realize by using the broadest possible definition of the word, every movie exploits something...Spike Lee exploited Malcolm X's life story for his biggest success. He exploited racial diversity for Do The Right Thing (My favorite flick by Spike tbh). If slavery is the vehicle to drive story and that makes it exploitative, then what exactly was the vehicle driving Amistad or the Blood Diamond?

I'm out, it's Saturday, got life to live...But if you wanna keep going, keep adding substance to your comments and cut the insults bullshyt...Make your points and back 'em up and we can have a proper back and forth.

 

[FreshABM]

I know you struggle with reading comprehension so let me explain it slow style.

He was bringing up the dolls as if it was an extra level that QT was taking to further exploit slaves. If QT has action figures for damn near every movie he does then he in fact did not do anything extra to exploit the characters. He was just doing the same thing he does for his other movies. I never stated whether I thought the dolls were ok or not.

Me and my boys had the conversation about not being able to see out of those bags way back in the day when playing cops and robbers. To see someone else bring that up was funny to me. I don't care if it was in the context of the klan.

Sam Jackson ain't said shyt everyone here hasn't already laughed at when Uncle Ruckus said it. So where was the uproar about Uncle Ruckus? Comedic racism is funny on a cartoon but not funny on thbig screen?

Black brothers like you...make me very sad ...............How old were you when you was playing cops and robbers??? I would assume you were a kid unless your a weirdo.........

You think laughing at something as a kid is equivalent to laughing at something as a adult????????

You don't think as a adult you should have more knowledge and knows what should be funny and whats not??

So basically your telling me your laughing at the same jokes since you were a kid and still don't realize the problem with the "jokes" ...

You have the same mindframe and thought process as you did when you was a kid playing cops and robbers

 

[Gravity]

You realize by using the broadest possible definition of the word, every movie exploits something...Spike Lee exploited Malcolm X's life story for his biggest success. He exploited racial diversity for Do The Right Thing (My favorite flick by Spike tbh). If slavery is the vehicle to drive story and that makes it exploitative, then what exactly was the vehicle driving Amistad or the Blood Diamond?

See how you people throw up smoke screens when you want to hide the truth? This discussion is about Django not any of those other movies. I could point out the clear differences between Django and those other movies but that's another discussion. If you want to discuss how exploitative those other movies are then start another thread to discuss it there, you're simply trying to cloud the issue though. I can see right through you. Get smarter, you deserve to be insulted.

 

[Luke Cage]

i bet fans of django unchained would love a remake of birth of a nation. it's essentially the same film but with the premise reversed.

 

[spliz]

I hear you, but you still wrong. First off, Spike is a director. Not an actor so he should be able to get more out of reading a script than an actor.
An actor can be illiterate Acting bruh, they not known to be super intelligent (not all) so it would vary on how much a person would get from reading a script. But since a script is the entire movie in word for with LINES. Yeah, I certain he know more about Django than people who actually seen it because he read it. Not the other way around
And because an actor passes on a movie role they regretted later is irrelevant because of the points I just made...

I feel where u comin from...I respect it..

 

[courtdog]

I wasnt aware he read the script...if he did thats good enough for me But I don't think the common perception is that he read the script but more that he just saw trailers/summary.

Yeah man, thats basically what this is all about. He read the script, and the script itself has been passed around all of hollywood for whatever reason
Peep whats said here...

Now watch as these... "ppl" try to act like they smarter
Its well documented how smart Kat is, and he doesn't have a history of drug use either
So whats really going on

That African part is my point. Puerto Ricans have African DNA in their heritage even more so according to some studies than Taino (which is dominant over other amerindian dna by a lot with us) blood because of the uprooting and forced integration we faced (with a hefty amount of injustice)...and that goes back to my first statement "If QT wants to make a movie about angry Taino's hunting down Spaniards, I'll be at the front of the line." I know the history and respect it, and I would love for someone to shine a light on it even if the execution was a little bit sloppy...just getting a larger part of the population to know

And like I've been saying for this whole discussion...I can respect anyone's opinion who's willing to support it with evidence or actual discourse. I never said Spike was wrong, but that he didn't give anything to support his comments and that he made it sound like a crusade on twitter...which has been his typical habit. Dude is critical of everyone and at some point, it comes off insincere.
.

The 2nd part, Spike doesn't have to do all that just cuz he made a remark via twitter
I'll answer this and the first part by answering the next comment you made which is...

You realize by using the broadest possible definition of the word, every movie exploits something...Spike Lee exploited Malcolm X's life story for his biggest success. He exploited racial diversity for Do The Right Thing (My favorite flick by Spike tbh). If slavery is the vehicle to drive story and that makes it exploitative, then what exactly was the vehicle driving Amistad or the Blood Diamond?

I'm out, it's Saturday, got life to live...But if you wanna keep going, keep adding substance to your comments and cut the insults bullshyt...Make your points and back 'em up and we can have a proper back and forth.

Blood Diamond and Amistad wasn't a comedy. Imagine Armistad the musical
In your previous post you said you'd love for them to bring a puerto rican story to the forefront. You mean in America, right? Cuz black ppl been in america for a long ass time. We not begging for scraps my nig. We not "Happy just to be here "
We belong here, we created here. We want are 40acres and the muthafukkin mule cuz we earned it
So when we have movies that make light of what we went thru? Thats a no-no
Doesn't matter if the fake character "Django" kills a white dude in the movie
Its the REAL character "Q.T." felt he could take a kinda serious western movie.. put it in the slave era, then do his "USUAL" ****** this/****** that scenes.

Lets all stop acting like QT didn't make this...


Its not "Just a character" its a movie he made. He wanted to put that scene in there. Thats the type of shyt he thinks up in his mind. You do it once, shame on you. Do it twice, Shame on me is how the saying goes
So after the controversy/heat he got for Making scenes like that in his movies
He decides to take a western and reopen the controversy angle and he is unaware of all this

He knows exactly what he's doing, and he got paid off it...

See how you people throw up smoke screens when you want to hide the truth? This discussion is about Django not any of those other movies. I could point out the clear differences between Django and those other movies but that's another discussion. If you want to discuss how exploitative those other movies are then start another thread to discuss it there, you're simply trying to cloud the issue though. I can see right through you. Get smarter, you deserve to be insulted.

Bruh, you could of just said I see you...





















































White Excellence

 

[FreshABM]

I wish more intelligent ppl would follow Kat Williams lead.......son dead ass serious.......

Reporter asked him if he was upset about it...and like a true G..my son Kat was like NO thats would mean im emotional..........but when I see him Ima put my fist in his mouth...........

Kat just kept it 100% real..........A comedian can see the problem with this movie and QT ....yet other ppl cannot


Just gained some respect for Kat Williams... I will look at the brother differently

 

[spliz]

I wish more intelligent ppl would follow Kat Williams lead.......son dead ass serious.......

Reporter asked him if he was upset about it...and like a true G..my son Kat was like NO thats would mean im emotional..........but when I see him Ima put my fist in his mouth...........

Kat just kept it 100% real..........A comedian can see the problem with this movie and QT ....yet other ppl cannot


Just gained some respect for Kat Williams... I will look at the brother differently

Son for what its worth Kat is the same cat who makes us black people pay for his shows and bugs out the whole show and not tell a joke...the same cat who slapped a random target worker and excaped with a motor cart..the same cat who said that it was alotta offensive black jokes in the script of Flava Flav's roast yet he still participated in that muthafukka...son is still an a$$hole of a person...

 

[courtdog]

I wish more intelligent ppl would follow Kat Williams lead.......son dead ass serious.......

Reporter asked him if he was upset about it...and like a true G..my son Kat was like NO thats would mean im emotional..........but when I see him Ima put my fist in his mouth...........

Kat just kept it 100% real..........A comedian can see the problem with this movie and QT ....yet other ppl cannot


Just gained some respect for Kat Williams... I will look at the brother differently

In this country, anybody speaking too much sense? They'll attempt to silence him by discrediting his character. I never paid any mind to Kat until he started getting into trouble a few years back. He got arressted like 76x in a month span or some shyt
Yet he never stepped foot in a courthouse for either of those charges.
I started putting 2 & 2 together...

Now I found this lil vid from QT being interviewed speaking on the movie.
He makes it clear he's aware of the sensitivity, but says fukk it cuz he name dropped Sidney Poitier

He even treated them as "actors" is one comment he says

Then he comments on one ignorant nikkaz comment about "Oh I played a slave in this movie/that movie" and sway then says "Get money"





One thing is certain, certain ppl will see this and think it proves one thing when it really proves the opposite. Its like a dude gotta be like "Yo you stupid ******s" before people catch on SMMFH

 

[The_Sheff]

Black brothers like you...make me very sad ...............How old were you when you was playing cops and robbers??? I would assume you were a kid unless your a weirdo.........

You think laughing at something as a kid is equivalent to laughing at something as a adult????????

You don't think as a adult you should have more knowledge and knows what should be funny and whats not??

So basically your telling me your laughing at the same jokes since you were a kid and still don't realize the problem with the "jokes" ...

You have the same mindframe and thought process as you did when you was a kid playing cops and robbers

Y'all nikka are some sorry ass trolls.

As a kid I thought Bebe's Kids was funny, as an adult it's still funny. That means something is wrong with me?


Hold up, you just said more people should think like Kat Williams? That right there lets me know where you coming from. A dude who questions why there are still monkeys. A guy who attacks workers and steals scooters. Someone who fights people who don't laugh at his jokes. He shows up to work shermed up then decides to just go home. That's the nikka you gonna mention?

 

[FreshABM]

Son for what its worth Kat is the same cat who makes us black people pay for his shows and bugs out the whole show and not tell a joke...the same cat who slapped a random target worker and excaped with a motor cart..the same cat who said that it was alotta offensive black jokes in the script of Flava Flav's roast yet he still participated in that muthafukka...son is still an a$$hole of a person...

Son...what does Kat Williams performances and shows and whatever fukkery goes on have to do with Kats views on Django??? Are you trying to sway my agreement with Kat because "the same cat who slapped a random target worker and excaped with a motor cart" mind you he claims the white person called him the N word...but like Sandwich said...for someone thats such a "a$$hole" why hasn't he been locked up and sentenced??? and truthfully none of that has to do with the movie and his opinion.......Your comparing Kat participating in a ROAST to his opinions on slavery???

This is what CAC do....try to tarnish some1 reputation so you don't believe the TRUTH that he might be saying....

In this country, anybody speaking too much sense? They'll attempt to silence him by discrediting his character. I never paid any mind to Kat until he started getting into trouble a few years back. He got arressted like 76x in a month span or some shyt
Yet he never stepped foot in a courthouse for either of those charges.
I started putting 2 & 2 together...

Now I found this lil vid from QT being interviewed speaking on the movie.
He makes it clear he's aware of the sensitivity, but says fukk it cuz he name dropped Sidney Poitier

He even treated them as "actors" is one comment he says

Then he comments on one ignorant nikkaz comment about "Oh I played a slave in this movie/that movie" and sway then says "Get money"



Quentin Tarantino Responds to the Criticism of Using the N-Word in "Django Unchained" - YouTube

One thing is certain, certain ppl will see this and think it proves one thing when it really proves the opposite. Its like a dude gotta be like "Yo you stupid ******s" before people catch on SMMFH

I actually lost alot of respect for Sway that interview....straight c00ning it up.............. He let QT say nikka in front of him to answer a question.....QT claims to use nikka because its relevant to his films...why the fucc he using it on a radio show??...he don't know how to say the N word??


Sway is a bytch...and I wish I had twitter to shyt on all these c00ns

 

[FreshABM]

Y'all nikka are some sorry ass trolls.

As a kid I thought Bebe's Kids was funny, as an adult it's still funny. That means something is wrong with me?


Hold up, you just said more people should think like Kat Williams? That right there lets me know where you coming from.

and guess what your just SORRY.......a sorry excuse for a black man

If you don't understand the problems with Bebe kids ..well you've had the same mindframe since you were a child...so I expect that

ONCE again...you find the same things funny as a ADULT...that you did as a CHILD...your mind has experience no growth since you were a kid.......

I said more ppl should think like Kat Williams in regard to his feelings about DJANGO...yo homie are you slow????


edit... How did I know homeboy was from the south....... oo and YES that means somethings wrong with you.....if you find the same things funny as a adult...that you did as a child.....you clearly haven't gained any knowledge and remain as clueless as you was as a child........now that shyt is SAD.. I don't know who to blame...you or your parents