We owe Spike Lee a huge Apology

[storyteller]

The movie being exploitative is a fact not an opinion. QT used slavery as a vehicle to push his fictional film for profit. That's not up for discussion or debate, it's undeniable. I couldn't care less about what you've said in other threads. Your opinion is bullshyt. Plus I can tell that you aren't black. Beat it.

Shouldn't have wasted my time to start.

 

[The_Sheff]

How did it not take slavery lightly when it was only used to set a blaxploitation/western revenge flick? The sole purpose of the movie is to make money, not spark any productive discussions between the races about our history of race relations(which is hasn't done on any kind of large scale). Again bruh, it's a fictional QT action revenge flick using slavery as the vehicle to push it. The movie has grossed over $130 million so far. Who is that money going to? Certainly not to any black people(besides the 1 black producer the cut in just cover their ass). Django is the definition of exploitation, the slave dolls were the icing on the cake. They weren't even trying to hide the shyt. Of course the movie took slavery lightly, QT used it to push his Hollywood blockbuster movie. Just because it had a few graphically violent scenes regarding the treatment of slaves that made you feel sad doesn't change anything that I've just said. I'm just disappointed at how easy it is to pimp us as a people. This Django thing reminds me of the joke that QT told in Desperado about 1 guy paying the other guy to piss on him. We will allow whites to piss on and exploit us as long as they throw us a bone or 2.Again, you seem to be missing the point of the piece. The point was that Spike shouldn't be thrown under the bus in defense of QT, not whether or not you should like the movie. Maybe you need to go back and read it again.

Ummm they have action figures for Inglorious b*stards, Grindhouse, Reservoir Dogs, and Kill Bill too. If this was the only one of his movies to have action figures then you would have a point.

 

[Versa]

No..noones hating on Spike..u agree with Spike yet u havent seen the movie so ur in the same boat as him...u cant have an opinion on a movie u never saw...

So if a movie is called "Elite Money ****** Killers II: The Klan Strikes Back" and I read the script before it's been released I'm not allowed to have an opinion on it. I need to see it realized on screen before I decide to say "fukk that movie" ?

Lol. You're stupid man.

 

[JMurder]

I think some ppl are going out of their way to disparage Spike in a negative way and THAT is wrong. But to say "Spike is making negative comments on a film he never even saw is wrong, and I don't agree with that," is well within everyone's rights. What Spike & QT have done doesn't matter when having that discussion

 

[Bruce LeRoy]

Mel Gibson was making antisemitic remarks before Passion of Christ in a jewish dominated Hollywood.

He was? You sure you arn't confusing him for his Dad who is a known extremist catholic who has made anti-semetic remarks. I've never heard of Mel making those types of comments until after Passion came out.

I'm not making excuses for either but saying he had no problems making Passion is laughable. Spike isn't the first to partially fund a movie he wanted made and he won't be the last. They were both risks but only one broke records because most of the population of the world is Christian.

I never said he was the first nor did I ever say Mel didn't run into any problems or struggle to get Passion made. I said Malcolm X was a much riskier movie to make in comparance to Passion.. Which was basically endorsed by every major christian leader/church before the movie even came out. The fact that Mel was able to do the majority of funding himself while Spike was only able contribute a couple million and had to go to outside funding to finish the movie should tell you all you need to know.

It's America, no shyt, most movies are made "safer" because they want us to see only what they want us to see. That doesn't just go for movies from black directors or actors.

OK So how is a Nat Turner movie going to get made if they don't want us to see it in the first place. You just answered the question from your previous post.. And Django Unchained isn't exactly a "safe" movie... We have yet to see a black director shoot a fact based historical movie with the same type of brutal depiction of the slave trade.

 

[Savior]

I guess I'm in the extreme minority here but I enjoyed the movie and at the same time agree with Spike's point although I do think he should've watched it first to deflect the criticism he's getting. It was an entertaining way to kill 3 hours due to the dialogue/performances but the "funny" scenes with the KKK esp were pretty akward and out of place. The movie was a lot better when it was on a more serious tone than when it was trying for comedy and over the top shootouts. Oh and before the militant posters come after me for giving QT money I watche the screener

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Ummm they have action figures for Inglorious b*stards, Grindhouse, Reservoir Dogs, and Kill Bill too. If this was the only one of his movies to have action figures then you would have a point.

Don't know how many times that has been mentioned, but yet...

 

[The_Sheff]

I guess I'm in the extreme minority here but I enjoyed the movie and at the same time agree with Spike's point although I do think he should've watched it first to deflect the criticism he's getting. It was an entertaining way to kill 3 hours due to the dialogue/performances but the "funny" scenes with the KKK esp were pretty akward and out of place. The movie was a lot better when it was on a more serious tone than when it was trying for comedy and over the top shootouts. Oh and before the militant posters come after me for giving QT money I watche the screener

And for me I enjoyed the funny scenes. See different strokes for different folks.

In fact I wasn't even going to see it until folks told me it wasn't all serious. I've seen enough serious slave movies to last a lifetime, they do nothing but make me angry.

 

[courtdog]

Ummm they have action figures for Inglorious b*stards, Grindhouse, Reservoir Dogs, and Kill Bill too. If this was the only one of his movies to have action figures then you would have a point.

So, because they have dolls of what? Inglorious b*stards had soldiers in it
Grindhouse I didn't see... Resevoir dogs action figures where guys in a suit. Kill Bill is a bunch of Asains dressed in black. Because of that, its now oK to have SLAVE DOLLS
And then you got c/s'd

I think some ppl are going out of their way to disparage Spike in a negative way and THAT is wrong. But to say "Spike is making negative comments on a film he never even saw is wrong, and I don't agree with that," is well within everyone's rights. What Spike & QT have done doesn't matter when having that discussion

I guess I'm in the extreme minority here but I enjoyed the movie and at the same time agree with Spike's point although I do think he should've watched it first to deflect the criticism he's getting. It was an entertaining way to kill 3 hours due to the dialogue/performances but the "funny" scenes with the KKK esp were pretty akward and out of place. The movie was a lot better when it was on a more serious tone than when it was trying for comedy and over the top shootouts. Oh and before the militant posters come after me for giving QT money I watche the screener

I agree about 80% of what you said. The part about Him watching it first to deflect criticism? Nah bruh, thats called c00nin. Thats the definition of c00nin
He ain't gotta cater to some racist or people who could give a fukk about how a negro feel on this subject. No he don't.
He's not even saying "Yo other nikkaz or non nikkaz... follow meeeeeeee"
He read the script
He's a world renown director
Doesn't that qualify him to know enough? Like, I'm not understanding how people say he needs to watch it like if he didn't already read it?
Do people read books? (apparently not) Isn't there book versions of movies.. usually more detailed?
He read enough, shared his opinion. Then the excuses from the heaventops came in... "Man, he didn't see it... Man, he got a grudge... Man, QT has given jobs to negros, whats there problem?"
This 2013 and.... well, I keep forgetting they infiltrate. They

And for me I enjoyed the funny scenes. See different strokes for different folks.

Are you black? And if you are, and you found the "enjoyed the funny scenes" then you are a product of your environment and thats fair.
Its not like the average black man in america has any knowledge of self.
Not the average. Not 1 out of 10. Its like 1 out of 1000... or to be exact, 1 out of every 943 brothaz have sense of self. So this is a learning process for a lot of you. If you was never told to wake up, you might not even know you was sleeping
For me personally its hard to find "too much humor" in this...



And if you can't even understand where somebody is coming from when they say that? Then

 

[spliz]

No, you are failing to see the bigger picture. You got pimped ******. While youre sitting here acting stupid talking about "who knows what his motivation was? Im not in his head" QT is laughing at you on his way to the bank. He just made a BS movie that exploits slavery for a buck($123 million and counting) and he has blacks like you not only defending it but throwing brothers like Spike Lee under the bus in defense. That's the worst part about all of this. I couldn't make this up. Discussions like these are sad, not productive. Again, this conversation is about how black people have jumped on Spike to defend Tarantino. This isn't an open and honest conversation between whites and blacks about our history of race relations and how to improve them. People like you insist upon trying to give this movie undue credit. Just say that you like the movie even though it exploits slavery, stop lying to yourself and everybody else in the process. Nah, there is no common ground between us on this.

The movie being exploitative is a fact not an opinion. QT used slavery as a vehicle to push his fictional film for profit. That's not up for discussion or debate, it's undeniable. I couldn't care less about what you've said in other threads. Your opinion is bullshyt. Plus I can tell that you aren't black. Beat it.

son..at this point..u need to get the fukk over urself...real talk...I didnt throw Spike under the bus in defense of shyt...I say what I been saying about Spike for a WHILE now..cause he's been on some funny shyt for a WHILE now..BEFORE this movie came about...wtf is he above criticism?...fukk outta here...im not even gonna try to have an intelligent conversation wit u...im done...

 

[spliz]

So if a movie is called "Elite Money ****** Killers II: The Klan Strikes Back" and I read the script before it's been released I'm not allowed to have an opinion on it. I need to see it realized on screen before I decide to say "fukk that movie" ?

Lol. You're stupid man.

was the fukkin movie called that?...no...ur stupid....Nas had a fukkin album called ******...now...if I made an assumption what the album was about without hearing it...and I hated the word...I would prolly be wrong..wouldn't I?...now stfu and move on g's...

 

[Versa]

was the fukkin movie called that?...no...ur stupid....Nas had a fukkin album called ******...now...if I made an assumption what the album was about without hearing it...and I hated the word...I would prolly be wrong..wouldn't I?...now stfu and move on g's...

- The album's title was changed FROM ****** to Untitled

- even if it was called ****** if you were allowed to read all the lyrics to the album like spike was allowed to read the script then yes you would be allowed to make an assumption as to whether or not you'd want to listen to the album when it's released

 

[Savior]

I agree about 80% of what you said. The part about Him watching it first to deflect criticism? Nah bruh, thats called c00nin. Thats the definition of c00nin
He ain't gotta cater to some racist or people who could give a fukk about how a negro feel on this subject. No he don't.
He's not even saying "Yo other nikkaz or non nikkaz... follow meeeeeeee"
He read the script
He's a world renown director
Doesn't that qualify him to know enough? Like, I'm not understanding how people say he needs to watch it like if he didn't already read it?
Do people read books? (apparently not) Isn't there book versions of movies.. usually more detailed?
He read enough, shared his opinion. Then the excuses from the heaventops came in... "Man, he didn't see it... Man, he got a grudge... Man, QT has given jobs to negros, whats there problem?"
This 2013 and.... well, I keep forgetting they infiltrate. They

Are you black? And if you are, and you found the "enjoyed the funny scenes" then you are a product of your environment and thats fair.
Its not like the average black man in america has any knowledge of self.
Not the average. Not 1 out of 10. Its like 1 out of 1000... or to be exact, 1 out of every 943 brothaz have sense of self. So this is a learning process for a lot of you. If you was never told to wake up, you might not even know you was sleeping
For me personally its hard to find "too much humor" in this...

Narrative Of The Life Of Fredrick Douglass,An American Slave - YouTube

And if you can't even understand where somebody is coming from when they say that? Then

I dont think he wouldve been catering to anyone if he had watched it before...now were past that point anyway. I meant it deflecting criticism in the way that by him saying he's not watching the movie it automatically gives ammo to the haters even if he does make a good point. Now u might say hed get hated on anyway which he probably would but I dont think it would be to this extent.

 

[courtdog]

son..at this point..u need to get the fukk over urself...real talk...I didnt throw Spike under the bus in defense of shyt...I say what I been saying about Spike for a WHILE now..cause he's been on some funny shyt for a WHILE now..BEFORE this movie came about...wtf is he above criticism?...fukk outta here...im not even gonna try to have an intelligent conversation wit u...im done...

So he wasn't having an intelligent convo with you? Its clear that after he said his piece, you wasn't intelligent enough to have a comeback response so thats why you got angry. Intelligent people can see this from a mile away bruh...

was the fukkin movie called that?...no...ur stupid....Nas had a fukkin album called ******...now...if I made an assumption what the album was about without hearing it...and I hated the word...I would prolly be wrong..wouldn't I?...now stfu and move on g's...

As G's or "Men" we should be able to discuss things. You just said some bullshyt and thought you just made a point which you didn't. Because of this guys reply...

- The album's title was changed FROM ****** to Untitled

- even if it was called ****** if you were allowed to read all the lyrics to the album like spike was allowed to read the script then yes you would be allowed to make an assumption as to whether or not you'd want to listen to the album when it's released

Thats why you didn't make a point. But what catches my eye is how you end your bullshyt rant by saying "STFU and lets move on" like if you wanted to throw some garbage into this "intelligent" conversation. Then you want us to shut up and leave it where you left it at?

W.E.

 

[spliz]

- The album's title was changed FROM ****** to Untitled

- even if it was called ****** if you were allowed to read all the lyrics to the album like spike was allowed to read the script then yes you would be allowed to make an assumption as to whether or not you'd want to listen to the album when it's released

No..it got changed cause the store wouldn't take it that way...and put pressure on def jam...but he still released THE ****** TAPE...and guess what?..black people complained about Nas' title...such as Al Sharpton and the like...were they CORRECT in their assumptions?..difference with a movie script from reading lyrics is u can take from lyrics what it is if u have good comprehension skills..it basically means what it means..movie script is different..which is why great actors passed on GREAT roles and regretted it cause of the script...such as Will Smith as Neo from the Matrix...Al Pacino passed on straight classics...such as Han Solo in STAR WARS...etc...theres revisions..everything..it takes WAY more to get the gist of a movie than to just read the script unless its complete and utter trash...