We owe Spike Lee a huge Apology

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So QT gets you to PAY to be called "******" 150 times as well as teaching all abouwhy you're inferior. And now nikkas are hating on SPIKE LEE? Sorry Dog, Spike would prolly let you sleep on his couch. QT wouldn't cross the street for your black ass.

If anything this whole episode shows us how hard sime black people will fight to defend their white overlords. Look at yourself.

You realize that's exactly the OPPOSITE of what's going on with that movie right...or did you take the phrenology seriously without regard for the rest of the movie? :comeon:

As a Puerto Rican, if QT wants to make a movie where a ragtag group of angry Tainos run around scalping spaniards...I'll be at the premier.
 
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Spike Lee doesn't need my help to defend him, but he does deserve our gratitude and respect.

I remember watching Pulp Fiction for the first time. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, if not loved it. It is fair to characterize it as a classic piece of American cinema. But that doesn't in any way mitigate the impact or excuse the "Dead N***** Storage" joke(s) in the film. They were unnecessary and wholly arbitrary in nature. They weren't for expository effect or "authenticity."

They were to generate laughs. He got none from me.

Then came Jackie Brown. This time, it was more of the same but for a lesser quality movie. Samuel L. Jackson was once again (like Pulp Fiction) used as the loudspeaker for the supposed humor. In fact, it was used 38 times. Again, not for expository effect or "authenticity" sake, (although Tarantino has argued publicly that the movie was an homage to the Blackxploitation genre in which the word was often used.)

But again... used to generate laughs... and I didn't.

My familiarity with Tarantino's work was neither linear nor chronological in nature. It wasn't until after Jackie Brown that I went back and discovered Reservoir Dogs... and there it is found too. Say it again with me... not for expository effect or "authenticity" sake.

This time it wasn't necessarily for laughs per se, but was used by "Mr. Pink" to specifically degrade and deride as an insult.

This is largely the history of Quentin Tarantino leading up to Django Unchained, a movie whose script was widely circulated in the year prior to its release. Spike Lee read it, I've read and virtually everyone else involved in entertainment had read it long before the movie premiered.

Lee, made it clear that he did not plan to support the movie, finding the whole premise of spaghetti western slave drama to be "disrespectful" to his (and my) ancestors. In response, Lee was criticized and castigated for not having viewed the movie first and for being a "hater," as the reductionist, simple-minded argument would go.

Lee's critique is not, was not and will never be dependent on the "quality" of the movie. It never was about the movie, it's about the very premise. I don't need to actually view "Slavery -- The Broadway Musical" starring Jennifer Hudson to forward the idea that slavery as a musical is wholly disrespectful in its very conception. I don't need to sit through "Slavery - The Daytime Soap Opera" starring Shemar Moore or "Superman The Man of Steel Frees the Negroes" co-starring Flava Flav either to come to this reasonable conclusion.

If you need to see the movie to gauge the accuracy of Lee's point... you've in fact already missed it.

Let me say it again and in bold, because I'm sure somebody below in the comment section will say to "see it" first.

If you need to see the movie to gauge the accuracy of Lee's point... you've in fact already missed it.

Those familiar with the horrible premise of The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer, which aired briefly on UPN should already get the point.

Please save your Django movie review, it's not relevant to this discussion. No matter if you loved it or hated it... not germane to the issue. Keep it to yourself while debating this issue.

It is and always was about the premise (and predilection) of Tarantino.

Lee was called (among other things) a "thug" and "punk" by comedian dikk Gregory and a "conniving and scheming Uncle Tom" by former 2LiveCrew leader Luther Campbell. I respect the former and laugh at the latter. dikk Gregory has a long, undeniable civil rights history, but such a classless rebuke for a film he wasn't in and criticism not directed at him is curious at best. And you also mean to tell me, the man BEST known for debasement of countless women of color and a career of misogyny, Luther Campbell was calling the director of Four Little Girls, When the Levees Broke, Malcolm X, Do the Right Thing and Miracle at St. Anna (producer) an "Uncle Tom?"

That would be laugh-out-loud funny if it weren't so sadly ignorant. Campbell knows about as much about Harriet Beecher Stowe as I do quantum physics.

...As in nothing.

Each one of Spike's aforementioned movies was a very sincere and detailed love letter to the African-American community. Love letters, not just movies. While Spike Lee was forever changing the future of film and how Black directors and actors would be utilized back in the late '80s... Campbell was in the midst of a 19th century minstrel show revival, cavorting and undulating to "Oh, me so horny."

And now Campbell feels both comfortable and confident to say Lee is an "Uncle Tom?"

It is silly to think such stupidity was going to pass unless I said something. If nobody else tells the truth, I will.

I have not agreed (or appreciated) all of Lee's work (including use of the N-word), or even his depiction of women in many of his films. And for that I have summarily criticized him over the years, check the record. But be absolutely clear, you can't question how much he loves the African-American community and his sincerity is above reproach. Know that before Denzel and Halle accepted their Oscars, it was Spike who made them into viable silver screen options. It was Spike who introduced Samuel L. Jackson to the world, paving the way for Tarantino to use him in films, not vice-versa. It was Spike who laid the path for contemporaries John Singleton, Ernest dikkerson, F. Gary Gray, Tim Story, the much-maligned Tyler Perry and Antoine Fuqua who also publicly chided Lee with respect to Django.

That would be the same Antoine Fuqua, who directed Training Day, featuring the very same Denzel Washington (and N-words) as a vehicle to an Oscar. Spike says "you're welcome" Antoine.

When there were none of them, Spike was fighting FOR them, telling stories on film traditional Hollywood refused to support. A director doesn't make films like 4 Little Girls to make himself wealthy or in the hopes of winning Oscars. He does it because he's in love with us.

Oscars are given out for questionable roles like those in Training Day and Monster's Ball... not Malcolm X. They are given out for movies like The Help, Glory, Precious and Driving Miss Daisy... not A Huey P. Newton Story or Bamboozled. Lee was making movies for us and about us... not primarily for wealth, fame or Oscars. To call him a "hater" is to say you really haven't been paying attention for the past 25 years. To call him a "thug" (dikk Gregory) means that you really are just a comedian and not to be confused as a real confidante of Dr. King.

Our history can't be denied, one which Lee has dedicated his life to chronicling and preserving.

Turning the corner...

There is nothing to suggest in Tarantino's personal history that he loves us (We grew up less than a mile apart in the same housing track in Harbor City, CA). Fascinated maybe... but love, absolutely not. It is not unlike those who made the argument that Elvis loved and respected African-Americans because "he had 'Black girlfriends.'"

Um... yeah. Waking up next to "us" doesn't mean you love us and neither does a slavery movie in which the protagonist happens to kill all the "bad White people."

Tarantino's behavior reeks more of fascination with the Black experience, complete with an N-word fetish; not respect or reverence. Not to mention, his cavalier use of the word even outside of the film realm (i.e. backstage at the Golden Globes) gives me great, great pause.

I don't have to wonder whether Lee has a deep and abiding respect for our history and contributions to this country, even beyond slavery. His record is inarguable. Conversely, Tarantino's record is equally inarguable. The only thing Tarantino has proven is that we can count on "N*****" to be a staple in his films, past, present and future.

If you disagree with Spike... fine. But to disrespect and disregard him in the expression of that disagreement is wholly unacceptable. Spike Lee has earned better.

We collectively missed Spike Lee's point and owe him a huge apology. Quentin Tarantino has never fought for, or to uplift us. Luther Campbell definitely has never fought for us and the next uplifting thing he does will be his first. Spike Lee doesn't need my help to defend him, but he does deserve our gratitude and respect.

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Morris W. O'Kelly: We Owe Spike Lee a Huge Apology

Morris W. O'Kelly: We Owe Spike Lee a Huge Apology
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So QT gets you to PAY to be called "******" 150 times as well as teaching all abouwhy you're inferior. And now nikkas are hating on SPIKE LEE? Sorry Dog, Spike would prolly let you sleep on his couch. QT wouldn't cross the street for your black ass.

If anything this whole episode shows us how hard sime black people will fight to defend their white overlords. Look at yourself.

:whoo: wait so everytime the word ****** is said in the movie YOU interpret that as being directed at YOU? There were moments in the movie that made YOU feel inferior? YOU imagine that spike lee would let YOU sleep on his couch? YOU view white people as YOUR overlord?

Thanks for letting us know all that stuff about YOU, life must be :sadbron:
 

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I don't owe Spike Lee shyt.

A white man made a movie about slavery. Big fukking deal. We as black people need to get the fukk off our moral high horse about what other races can't do while we can and always will.

Cause honestly the only way folks would have shut up about it was if1. It wasn't made 2. It was made by a black person.


You cats wanna complain about something? Complain about the fact that while Django was killing off the citizens of Candyland, QT chose to have Rick Ross and Tupac playing in the background.... a move purposely put there to get you amped up and hyphy for no other reason than a black man was killing white people. How many black people do you think came out of the theater claiming the movie was GOAT, recommended it and went back to see it because of those scenes and those scenes alone?

You don't have a problem with your racial sensitivity being preyed on for a dollar, but you got a problem with a white person making a movie about slavery and "******" being used.

yeah, go figure.
 

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So QT gets you to PAY to be called "******" 150 times as well as teaching all abouwhy you're inferior. And now nikkas are hating on SPIKE LEE? Sorry Dog, Spike would prolly let you sleep on his couch. QT wouldn't cross the street for your black ass.

If anything this whole episode shows us how hard sime black people will fight to defend their white overlords. Look at yourself.

White overlords? Paying to be called ******? I don't even know what to say to such idiocy.
I will however guarantee you that you have about the same shot of sleeping on Lee's couch as you do Tarantino's and that is slim and none.
 

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White overlords:mindblown:

The fact that you are worried about "white overlords" says more about you than QT or django.

Y'all are coming out to defend QT like he helped save your job with this movie. Liking thw movie is one thing. shytting on the one black director that you KNOW is doing it for the love of black people is some other shyt.

It's very much like teenagers cursing their parents out for trying to keep them away from the wrong crowd. It takes the teen quite a long time to understand why. Usually the teen comes to appreciate the guidance. Maybe this will happen with you Django fans.
 

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Y'all are coming out to defend QT like he helped save your job with this movie. Liking thw movie is one thing. shytting on the one black director that you KNOW is doing it for the love of black people is some other shyt.

It's very much like teenagers cursing their parents out for trying to keep them away from the wrong crowd. It takes the teen quite a long time to understand why. Usually the teen comes to appreciate the guidance. Maybe this will happen with you Django fans.

I'm not defending or attacking anyone. But if spike cared about black people so much, he wouldn't shyt on one of the only big budget blockbusters to cast black folks as major characters, especially without even seeing the movie. There are black careers and families tied to the success of this movie, by discrediting this movie he is hurting them not QT.
 

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man get the fukk outta here with this bullshyt

yall nikkas trippin

if yall feel good about this movie then you a fukkin idiot

the fact that the only good thing to say about this movie is he got revenge is tellin yall dumbasses something

black people love makin excuses for another race but let a black person make movie about jews or chinese...somebody knockin on youur door to make sure you dont fukk up

thise whiteman is prolly smilin from ear to ear cuz he got blck people defending this pice of trash movie

fukk dis movie, fukk QT , and fukk any nikka praising this trash

this movie was not uplifting at all

the most complex and powerful characters wsnt event the main character

fukkin disgustin seein peopl prasing this movie n dissing Spike Lee at the same time

i hope yal dont go around yall mommas praising this trash ass movie

fukk qt that hipster fakkit

all yall dudes sayin get over it i think its funny yall sayin that cuz other races dont even fukk wit you like dat
 

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No, we don't.

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Time for Jewels and Vincent to drive to that place. Just look for the sign :smugfavre:
 

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suck it up, do the jews complain about holocaust movies, no, they use the generated shock to their advantage and motivation. nikkas actin like slavery is too sensitive to touch, no its not, nor is genocide, holocaust or the many atrocities that happen worldwide. don't like it, don't watch it.

I prefer it be highlighted as for everyone can remember, and remember it will never ever EVER happen again.

the Jews don't complain about holocaust movies because every holocaust movie as far as I know was ultra somber/serious and were made by a Jewish director. I can't really think of many :krs: moments in Schindler's List and the Pianist. actually come to think of it, the one holocaust movie where people actually DID complain was Life is Beautiful, because they felt like it treated the Holocaust too lightly, go figure...

I liked Django but, you can't really compare shyt like Inglorious Basterds to it. the comparison would make more sense if Django was a Civil War movie showing black soldiers killing the confederates.

but if Tarantino made a spaghetti western set in the actual concentration camps, there would be controversy. if Tarantino showed a scene where Jews were in a gas chamber while some 70's pop song plays in the background, best believe Jews would have a problem with it.

also, Scorcese was attached to direct Schindler's List, but Spielberg ended up convincing him to let him do it since he felt like it needed a Jewish director. if a non-Jew ended up directing a holocaust movie I'm sure you'd hear many Jews complaining
 

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man get the fukk outta here with this bullshyt

yall nikkas trippin

if yall feel good about this movie then you a fukkin idiot

the fact that the only good thing to say about this movie is he got revenge is tellin yall dumbasses something

black people love makin excuses for another race but let a black person make movie about jews or chinese...somebody knockin on youur door to make sure you dont fukk up

thise whiteman is prolly smilin from ear to ear cuz he got blck people defending this pice of trash movie

fukk dis movie, fukk QT , and fukk any nikka praising this trash

this movie was not uplifting at all

the most complex and powerful characters wsnt event the main character

fukkin disgustin seein peopl prasing this movie n dissing Spike Lee at the same time

i hope yal dont go around yall mommas praising this trash ass movie

fukk qt that hipster fakkit

all yall dudes sayin get over it i think its funny yall sayin that cuz other races dont even fukk wit you like dat
Your missing the point with all this anger.

Name a big budget movie that cast black people in any capacity.

Name a movie in which a black male was depicted as strong and fighting for what he believes in.

Name a movie with a black couple that doesn't have any baby mommas, drug sales, drug use ect.

Name a movie when a black dude got to kill a house full of black folks and then style on them on the way out the door.

Name a movie when a black couple got to ride off into the sunset.

Sure there are some legitimate gripes that you can make about the movie. But all this "white overloads calling you nikka" stuff is pure emotional sensationalism, and does nothing to help the plight of black people in or outside the film business.
 

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To the OP, what is not authentic about dead ****** storage? I can't understand your logic at all. Are you aware that the word ****** is a real word, that is in fact used incredibly frequently in this country, both between blacks (nikka) and whites. What is inauthentic about its usage in any context? You could take a romantic comedy with mostly white characters starring Gerard Butler and throw the word ****** in it randomly and nothing would be inauthentic about that. If you're talking about authenticity, the use of the word ****** should probably be more frequently a part of American movies, not less. IMO.

knowing what we know about Jules, the scene comes across as inauthentic. You have this supposedly badass character hearing a nerdy looking white person say the word nigger repeatedly and not even flinching. the average black person in the real world would be :damn: if a white person said nigger, regardless of whether or not that's hypocritical. the other times white people say nigger make more sense because its white folks in the company of other white folks. but the dead nigger storage scene came across as nothing more than Tarantino wanting an excuse to say nigger in front of Sam Jackson
 

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the Jews don't complain about holocaust movies because every holocaust movie as far as I know was ultra somber/serious and were made by a Jewish director. I can't really think of many :krs: moments in Schindler's List and the Pianist. actually come to think of it, the one holocaust movie where people actually DID complain was Life is Beautiful, because they felt like it treated the Holocaust too lightly, go figure...

I liked Django but, you can't really compare shyt like Inglorious Basterds to it. the comparison would make more sense if Django was a Civil War movie showing black soldiers killing the confederates.

but if Tarantino made a spaghetti western set in the actual concentration camps, there would be controversy. if Tarantino showed a scene where Jews were in a gas chamber while some 70's pop song plays in the background, best believe Jews would have a problem with it.

also, Scorcese was attached to direct Schindler's List, but Spielberg ended up convincing him to let him do it since he felt like it needed a Jewish director. if a non-Jew ended up directing a holocaust movie I'm sure you'd hear many Jews complaining
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List of Holocaust films - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A list of movies dealing with the holocaust. There is everything from love stories, to action flick, to comedies and the directors are not always Jewish.

We will never have a list of anything pertaining to our stories if we bash and complain about each one.
 
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