"We are not Hispanic; Not Latino"

[Lion-INI-spear222]

+rep for posting Nasio, him and my dad grew up together, real cool dude

Nasio is a real wise man. Same Spirit as Bob.

thanks for the rep

 

[Aizen]

the link here is that everyone involved speaks a romance language, descended from latin. but we never call people in europe "latino", and hardly ever "latin", nor do they in reference to themselves.

this all just shows that labels are worthless and become outdated quicker than civilization can keep up

Yeah. The Hispanic/Latino label gets dropped on "the colonized" or "the conquered" people and that label drops off the Europeans. They would be "Latinos" themselves but like you said, nobody is going to stick that tag on them.

These old labels are on that flabby, sick status now.

 

[mbewane]

gets further complicated by the fact that the iberian peninsula was called Hispania. portuguese people would thus technically be hispanic, but would refer to their language as lusophone and their culture as lusitanic, even though the term hispania was created when portuguese was still strongly connected to galician, which is only "spanish" in the sense that it's part of the same peninsula as spain and portugal. and franco used the term hispanic to describe all spanish-speaking peoples, regardless of which side of the ocean they were on.

the link here is that everyone involved speaks a romance language, descended from latin. but we never call people in europe "latino", and hardly ever "latin", nor do they in reference to themselves.

this all just shows that labels are worthless and become outdated quicker than civilization can keep up

Actually, the word "latino" would be spanish or italian, so it's normal that for example French people would not be called that way. However, it is not unusual, when speaking about the EU for example, for analysts to make a distinction between "Germanic" Europe and "Latin" Europe (understand that I'm translating into english from french or italian before you say you never heard those terms). It's not unusual for people to talk about "les peuples latins", l'Europe latine" etc when referring to Italy-Spain-Portugal-France and french-speaking Belgium (Romania is sometimes included, sometimes not). There was a little known international organization called "Union Latine" with those countries plus, well, Latin America.

The question of why Europeans don't call themselves "latins" is tricky, because some actually do, as one part of their identity and often in opposition to the Anglo-Saxon model and the Germanic northern Europe. But it's not some strong identity or something that really transcends bounderies on some pan-Latin brotherhood. And the reason Europeans don't really identify with these big groups (the same reason why Europeans don't identify themselves as "Whites" like Americans do) is that nations have existed over here for centuries, so it's not like in Africa where they might more identify on one part with the ethnic group (which don't really count in Europe anymore) or with the continent, given that countries are mostly artificial. Countries in Latin America are also quite young, so it's understandable not to identify that much. And race relations are so instrumental in all of America that it's obvious why people identify with "White" or "Black", it's just not the same in Europe. There's a reason that the modern Nation-State first really developped in Europe, and people still identify mostly first with their country, then maybe their city, then maybe the EU.

 

[ManxOfxThexYear]

Jesus, you guys care more about this shyt then I ever did

 

[Nephilim_BC]

yeah, they're all illegal

 

[El Bombi]

Homegirl lost me when she said there wasn't no African presence in that area before the 1400's. When there are plenty of evidence to prove it was African presence well before 1400's in that area.

 

[Aizen]

Homegirl lost me when she said there wasn't no African presents in that area before the 1400's. When there are plenty of evidence to prove it was African presents well before 1400's in that area.

You are right. Part of the awaking is remembering indigenous roots and the other part would be accepting the fact of African contact. This contact occurred before slavery, of course continued during slavery too. So she's halfway there.

 

[Takerstani]

It's not new. I remember seeing some rally videos and having some discussions about this back in the earlier 2000s.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I always thought this to myself. To ride so hard to identify with Spain - the ones that conquered you - always seemed bizarre to me. Same with "Latin". I took Latin in HS. shyt has nothing to do with anything modern let alone Native Americans.

 

[BigMan]

I always thought this to myself. To ride so hard to identify with Spain - the ones that conquered you - always seemed bizarre to me. Same with "Latin". I took Latin in HS. shyt has nothing to do with anything modern let alone Native Americans.

IMO Latinos/Hispanics/etc are an example of nonwhites that fully accepted white supremacy

 

[yardman]

there's a bunch of people in Jamaica with Taino/Arawak admixture. you can find em in the maroon communities. a lot of tainos got absorbed into the maroon towns when the Spanish controlled Jamaica. I have a friend name Chris whose Jamaican who has shoveled teeth which is an Amerindian dental trait.

 

[Sensei]

I've seen some interesting videos being posted on Facebook lately. They basically say, "We are not Hispanic. Hispanic means from Spain. We are not Latino, that means to come from Southern Europe." These videos get tons of thumbs up on Facebook, usually have extremely high thumbs up to thumbs down ratios on YouTube, and prompt interesting discussions each time they're posted. Some people you might call "Latino" or "Hispanic" simply put, don't even want you calling them these terms anymore. Here is a video explaining a Puerto Rican view of not identifying with the term "Hispanic" or "Latino."



Do I think this is a major trend? Maybe not. But many are questioning these terms, viewing them as imperialist labels thrown onto them (these labels bend towards European identity). There are more types of these videos for other countries in the Caribbean, Central and South America floating around the internet.

One thing for certain is that identity is not static. Some people bend more towards general labels and blending in. Now some young people are reclaiming their original roots. It reminds me of some African-Americans who refuse to say, "I'm just an American." You have people on both sides of the aisles. Identity is yours - so make of it what you will.

@1:40 well obviously not all soutthern Europeans are Latino( when we take in account Balkan peoples).

The only Latino group who like to claim their nationality rather than claim Hispanic/Latino,are Mexicans. I've never heard Puerto Ricans shy away from the name Latino.
LOL at calling themselves Taino , most of them are gone from the island.

Actually, the word "latino" would be spanish or italian, so it's normal that for example French people would not be called that way. However, it is not unusual, when speaking about the EU for example, for analysts to make a distinction between "Germanic" Europe and "Latin" Europe (understand that I'm translating into english from french or italian before you say you never heard those terms). It's not unusual for people to talk about "les peuples latins", l'Europe latine" etc when referring to Italy-Spain-Portugal-France and french-speaking Belgium (Romania is sometimes included, sometimes not). There was a little known international organization called "Union Latine" with those countries plus, well, Latin America.

The question of why Europeans don't call themselves "latins" is tricky, because some actually do, as one part of their identity and often in opposition to the Anglo-Saxon model and the Germanic northern Europe. But it's not some strong identity or something that really transcends bounderies on some pan-Latin brotherhood. And the reason Europeans don't really identify with these big groups (the same reason why Europeans don't identify themselves as "Whites" like Americans do) is that nations have existed over here for centuries, so it's not like in Africa where they might more identify on one part with the ethnic group (which don't really count in Europe anymore) or with the continent, given that countries are mostly artificial. Countries in Latin America are also quite young, so it's understandable not to identify that much. And race relations are so instrumental in all of America that it's obvious why people identify with "White" or "Black", it's just not the same in Europe. There's a reason that the modern Nation-State first really developped in Europe, and people still identify mostly first with their country, then maybe their city, then maybe the EU.

Italians don't identify as latino neither do Spaniards. People from Spain address themselves as Spaniards and nothing else.

 

[dennis roadman]

Actually, the word "latino" would be spanish or italian, so it's normal that for example French people would not be called that way. However, it is not unusual, when speaking about the EU for example, for analysts to make a distinction between "Germanic" Europe and "Latin" Europe (understand that I'm translating into english from french or italian before you say you never heard those terms). It's not unusual for people to talk about "les peuples latins", l'Europe latine" etc when referring to Italy-Spain-Portugal-France and french-speaking Belgium (Romania is sometimes included, sometimes not). There was a little known international organization called "Union Latine" with those countries plus, well, Latin America.

The question of why Europeans don't call themselves "latins" is tricky, because some actually do, as one part of their identity and often in opposition to the Anglo-Saxon model and the Germanic northern Europe. But it's not some strong identity or something that really transcends bounderies on some pan-Latin brotherhood. And the reason Europeans don't really identify with these big groups (the same reason why Europeans don't identify themselves as "Whites" like Americans do) is that nations have existed over here for centuries, so it's not like in Africa where they might more identify on one part with the ethnic group (which don't really count in Europe anymore) or with the continent, given that countries are mostly artificial. Countries in Latin America are also quite young, so it's understandable not to identify that much. And race relations are so instrumental in all of America that it's obvious why people identify with "White" or "Black", it's just not the same in Europe. There's a reason that the modern Nation-State first really developped in Europe, and people still identify mostly first with their country, then maybe their city, then maybe the EU.

this brings up a good point, i was speaking from a west-of-the-atlantic perspective, completely discounting that some posters are european. my post was one-dimensional in that regard

Homegirl lost me when she said there wasn't no African presents in that area before the 1400's. When there are plenty of evidence to prove it was African presents well before 1400's in that area.

black santa claus

 

[dennis roadman]

@1:40 well obviously not all soutthern Europeans are Latino( when we take in account Balkan peoples).

The only Latino group who like to claim their nationality rather than claim Hispanic/Latino,are Mexicans. I've never heard Puerto Ricans shy away from the name Latino.
LOL at calling themselves Taino , most of them are gone from the island.



Italians don't identify as latino neither do Spaniards. People from Spain address themselves as Spaniards and nothing else.

people from spain identify as basques, catalunians, galegos, etc

italians became "italians" on the boats on their way over here. getting onto the boats, they were napolitan, sicilian, calibrese, etc

labels brehs dont trust em

 

[Oztradamus]

I identify as Human... All the other shyt is trivial