We are living in a world of illusion

[MMS]

In Elder Scrolls (Skyrim, Morrowind, Oblivion) theres something known as CHIM. It's basically in-game lore for a kind of enlightenment/self-awareness. Essentially that entire game universe is the dream of some kinda godhead. The dwemer (their dwarf race) were technologically advanced and figured it out but they couldn't reconcile the fact that they were just a dream of some other being so literally disappeared. Like straight up stop existing. Leaving no trace, just phased out of existence.
The other two examples of ppl reaching chim or kind of are Vivec and Dagoth Ur. Vivec is like a manifestation of every duality, all things, at once in a living being. Dagoth is like a twisted version of this, he believes he *IS* the godhead, and that all of the universe is *HIS* dream. No matter how you take it, to "survive" chim you have to be able to hold paradoxes in your mind without losing your individual identity. However you solve that equation is up to you, so long as you don't get a zero sum you won't disappear lol.

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“I will harden Dagoths heart that he will not let my Lilliputs go”

Most people when they think of control think of wealth or property but underneath that is belief, which underpins mental and spiritual health.

The people of Crete = Svartalfheimr

I told @Koichos earlier in this thread that Noah’s curse on Canaan that it has to do with language

“A servant of servants shall he be unto his brehthren”

If a king created a language in antiquity(as it says of the ancient king of Tyre) it would mean the language still obeys him. And the children of said language obeys it’s parent languages too. Egyptian and Chinese kings believed this too. This is why I believe Hebrew has been preserved the way it has as it prevents the children of Israel from being ruled over by a foreign tongue. However the tongue they use was formed prior to captivity and likely during the time of Sodom

For the record this is what I think Gematria comes from is that old of a language

 

[Marks]

“I will harden Dagoths heart that he will not let my Lilliputs go”

Most people when they think of control think of wealth or property but underneath that is belief, which underpins mental and spiritual health.

The people of Crete = Svartalfheimr

I told @Koichos earlier in this thread that Noah’s curse on Canaan that it has to do with language

“A servant of servants shall he be unto his brehthren”

If a king created a language in antiquity(as it says of the ancient king of Tyre) it would mean the language still obeys him. And the children of said language obeys it’s parent languages too. Egyptian and Chinese kings believed this too. This is why I believe Hebrew has been preserved the way it has as it prevents the children of Israel from being ruled over by a foreign tongue. However the tongue they use was formed prior to captivity and likely during the time of Sodom

For the record this is what I think Gematria comes from is that old of a language

Its why I maintain that the only place we are truly free/can gain true liberty is in the mind. We adopt everything, and its only there we can truly let everything go.

 

[MMS]

Its why I maintain that the only place we are truly free/can gain true liberty is in the mind. We adopt everything, and its only there we can truly let everything go.

Yeah the idea that your very thoughts have been conditioned before you even learned a language, would frighten most I’d think.

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Belderiver

The Psypher known as the Belderiver takes the form of a black blade tipped with a red (Cauldron-made) Psypher crystal. The lower half of the blade appears to be a normal sword, albeit a grand one. Forged by the dwarf Psyphersmith Brom, a deal was struck with Odette upon its forging: Whoever...

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[Makavalli]

In Elder Scrolls (Skyrim, Morrowind, Oblivion) theres something known as CHIM. It's basically in-game lore for a kind of enlightenment/self-awareness. Essentially that entire game universe is the dream of some kinda godhead. The dwemer (their dwarf race) were technologically advanced and figured it out but they couldn't reconcile the fact that they were just a dream of some other being so literally disappeared. Like straight up stop existing. Leaving no trace, just phased out of existence.
The other two examples of ppl reaching chim or kind of are Vivec and Dagoth Ur. Vivec is like a manifestation of every duality, all things, at once in a living being. Dagoth is like a twisted version of this, he believes he *IS* the godhead, and that all of the universe is *HIS* dream. No matter how you take it, to "survive" chim you have to be able to hold paradoxes in your mind without losing your individual identity. However you solve that equation is up to you, so long as you don't get a zero sum you won't disappear lol.

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Wow thats crazy never played those games but they thats kinda what i was getting at. Like we are the entertainment for some powerful people and those that figure it out just lose their shyt completely. Like a homeless man rambling on the corner could be somebody who saw the reality for what it is and just gave up like fukk its rigged

 

[MMS]

Wow thats crazy never played those games but they thats kinda what i was getting at. Like we are the entertainment for some powerful people and those that figure it out just lose their shyt completely. Like a homeless man rambling on the corner could be somebody who saw the reality for what it is and just gave up like fukk its rigged

Could be the other way around the people who have “figured it out” could be in the most danger

Get right with God

witch babble :mjgrin: Galatians 3:1-5 ᏞᏆᏦᎬ ͲᎻᎬ ᏀᎬΝᎬᎡᎪͲᏆϴΝՏ ϴҒ ᏞᎬᎪᏙᎬՏ, ͲᎻᎬ ᏞᏆᏙᎬՏ ϴҒ ᎷϴᎡͲᎪᏞ ᎷᎬΝ. ΝϴᏔ ͲᎻᎬ ᏔᏆΝᎠ ՏᏟᎪͲͲᎬᎡՏ ͲᎻᎬ ϴᏞᎠ ᏞᎬᎪᏙᎬՏ ᎪᏟᎡϴՏՏ ͲᎻᎬ ᎬᎪᎡͲᎻ, ΝϴᏔ ͲᎻᎬ ᏞᏆᏙᏆΝᏀ ͲᏆᎷᏴᎬᎡ ᏴႮᎡՏͲՏ ᏔᏆͲᎻ ͲᎻᎬ ΝᎬᏔ ᏴႮᎠՏ ᎪΝᎠ ՏᏢᎡᏆΝᏀ ᏟϴᎷᎬՏ ᎡϴႮΝᎠ ᎪᏀᎪᏆΝ. ᎪΝᎠ Տϴ ᏔᏆͲᎻ ᎷᎬΝ: ᎪՏ ϴΝᎬ ᏀᎬΝᎬᎡᎪͲᏆϴΝ ᏟϴᎷᎬՏ Ͳϴ ᏞᏆҒᎬ, ᎪΝϴͲᎻᎬᎡ ᎠᏆᎬՏ ᎪᏔᎪᎽ...

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[Koichos]

I mean this in sincerity that I wish health to Israel. But you didn’t refute my assessment

In Greek mythology that would be a tartarian gate if I’ve seen one. This is why I agree with you about Kabbalist works.

I am just not interested in your ridiculous 'pattern' theories.

That “ladder” sets the stage for belief in angels and Demons etc

אַדְּרַבָּא ('No, on the contrary'), as the G'moroʾ would say; the first Hebrew division of the Torah (B'reshıth 1:1-2:3) 'sets the stage' for the belief in 'angels'. The word יוֹם yom in B'reshıth 1:5 is in the s'michuth (the Hebrew technical term for the genitive or constructive) case, so that the translation ought to be 'the Day of [the] One [Being]'. Our commentator Rash"i (culled from the ancient Midhrosh 'B'reshıth Rabboh' 1:3, 3:8; our midhroshim are secondary to the actual Torah text, but nevertheless indispensible for a full understanding) notes:

:יוֹם אֶחָד
לְפִי סֵדֶר לְשׁוֹן הַפָּרָשָׁה הָיָה לוֹ לִכְתֹּב 'יוֹם רִאשׁוֹן', כְּמוֹ שֶׁכָּתוּב בִּשְׁאָר הַיָּמִים 'שֵׁנִי', 'שְׁלִישִׁי', 'רְבִיעִי'. לָמָּה כָתַב 'אֶחָד'? לְפִי שֶׁהָיָה הקב״ה יָחִיד בְּעוֹלָמוֹ, שֶׁלֹּא נִבְרְאוּ הַמַּלְאָכִים עַד יוֹם שֵׁנִי—כָּךְ מְפֹרָשׁ בב״ר׃​

yom ʾahodh ('the Day of [the] One [Being]'):
Following the language used in the remainder of the chapter, he ought to have written יוֹם רִאשׁוֹן yom rishon ('a first day'), just as he wrote שֵׁנִי sheni ('second'), שְׁלִישִׁי sh'lishi ('third'), r'viyʿi ('fourth') in connection with the other yomim. So why did he write אֶחָד ʾahodh ('one')? Because [at that time] the Holy One—oh, how blessed He is! was the Sole Being in His universe, for the malʾochim were not created until the second yom—thus it is explained in B'reshıth Rabboh.

Furthermore, the ancient Tarğum Y'rushal'mi (sometimes erroneously called Tarğum Yonothon) fleshes out B'reshıth 1:26 as follows:

'...וַאֲמַר יְיָ לְמַלְאָכַיָּא דִמְשַׁמְּשִׁין קוֹמוֹי, דְּאִיתְבְּרִי בְּיוֹם תִּנְיָן לִבְרִיַית עַלְמָא: 'נַעֲבִיד אָדָם בְּצַלְמָנָא​

Then Hashem said to the malʾochim who were serving before Him, which were created on the second day of the creation of the world: 'Should we create a man in our form...?'

 

[Koichos]

I told @Koichos earlier in this thread that Noah’s curse on Canaan that it has to do with language

“A servant of servants shall he be unto his brehthren”

No'ah cursed his [fourth] grandson K'naʿan rather than his son Hom because (i) the Creator had already blessed Hom (in B'reshıth 9:1) and (ii) the nature of Hom's crime, which was sexual in nature, took from his father No'ah the ability to produce a [fourth] child—מִדָּה כְּנֶגֶד מִדָּה.

If a king created a language in antiquity(as it says of the ancient king of Tyre) it would mean the language still obeys him. And the children of said language obeys it’s parent languages too. Egyptian and Chinese kings believed this too. This is why I believe Hebrew has been preserved the way it has as it prevents the children of Israel from being ruled over by a foreign tongue. However the tongue they use was formed prior to captivity and likely during the time of Sodom

B'reshıth 2:23 implies that the ʾAdam was speaking in Hebrew when he said: 'this will be called an ʾishoh because she was taken from an ʾish' (since Hebrew is the only language in which ʾishoh ('woman') is the cognate feminine inflection of the masculine noun ʾish ('man')).

 

[Tair]

I am just not interested in your ridiculous 'pattern' theories.


אַדְּרַבָּא ('No, on the contrary'), as the G'moroʾ would say; the first Hebrew division of the Torah (B'reshıth 1:1-2:3) 'sets the stage' for the belief in 'angels'. The word יוֹם yom in B'reshıth 1:5 is in the s'michuth (the Hebrew technical term for the genitive or constructive) case, so that the translation ought to be 'the Day of [the] One [Being]'. Our commentator Rash"i (culled from the ancient Midhrosh 'B'reshıth Rabboh' 1:3, 3:8; our midhroshim are secondary to the actual Torah text, but nevertheless indispensible for a full understanding) notes:

Furthermore, the ancient Tarğum Y'rushal'mi (sometimes erroneously called Tarğum Yonothon) fleshes out B'reshıth 1:26 as follows:

What is the proper way to learn more about the Kabbalah?

 

[MMS]

I am just not interested in your ridiculous 'pattern' theories.


אַדְּרַבָּא ('No, on the contrary'), as the G'moroʾ would say; the first Hebrew division of the Torah (B'reshıth 1:1-2:3) 'sets the stage' for the belief in 'angels'. The word יוֹם yom in B'reshıth 1:5 is in the s'michuth (the Hebrew technical term for the genitive or constructive) case, so that the translation ought to be 'the Day of [the] One [Being]'. Our commentator Rash"i (culled from the ancient Midhrosh 'B'reshıth Rabboh' 1:3, 3:8; our midhroshim are secondary to the actual Torah text, but nevertheless indispensible for a full understanding) notes:

Furthermore, the ancient Tarğum Y'rushal'mi (sometimes erroneously called Tarğum Yonothon) fleshes out B'reshıth 1:26 as follows:

That doesn’t surprise me as you have already said that the “incarnated word” is a blasphemous concept

So to me none of your Hebrew has any power except what I’ve used in this thread

That said angels or moloch/melek have been the driving reason for sacrifice, absurd prophecy, and ultimately the successive captivity of Israel but I’ll let you have it

To me much of genesis is stolen so the idea that it was originally written in Hebrew may be a lie as well. I still respect the faith but I see it’s holes and ultimately why Israel is in a looping miserable cycle like the dreidel game (and this “calf” came out of the fire Aaron said should tell it all)

This same topic to me is why Moses perished in Moab who believed in the sacrifices…

Also in a spiritual way, adding to Moses scriptures is like sodomy of the scriptures themselves

We are living in a world of illusion

anyways, a question I’ve been meaning to ask you: do you believe Muhammad is a prophet from God (the God you believe in) and why or why not? :jbhmm: I think prophets are known by their fruits :yeshrug: so if someone picks up a quran and becomes a friend of God and learn to be god ward then it...

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What an interesting picture this is in retrospect

 

[DoubleClutch]

That doesn’t surprise me as you have already said that the “incarnated word” is a blasphemous concept

So to me none of your Hebrew has any power except what I’ve used in this thread

That said angels or moloch/melek have been the driving reason for sacrifice, absurd prophecy, and ultimately the successive captivity of Israel but I’ll let you have it

To me much of genesis is stolen so the idea that it was originally written in Hebrew may be a lie as well. I still respect the faith but I see it’s holes and ultimately why Israel is in a looping miserable cycle like the dreidel game (and this “calf” came out of the fire Aaron said should tell it all)

This same topic to me is why Moses perished in Moab who believed in the sacrifices…

Also in a spiritual way, adding to Moses scriptures is like sodomy of the scriptures themselves

We are living in a world of illusion

anyways, a question I’ve been meaning to ask you: do you believe Muhammad is a prophet from God (the God you believe in) and why or why not? :jbhmm: I think prophets are known by their fruits :yeshrug: so if someone picks up a quran and becomes a friend of God and learn to be god ward then it...

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What an interesting picture this is in retrospect

Are you against the concept of “sacrifices” or something?

And since when are angels responsible for anything bad that people in the Bible were doing?

Everyone has their own free will.

What are angels anyways?

 

[MMS]

Are you against the concept of “sacrifices” or something?

And since when are angels responsible for anything bad that people in the Bible were doing?

Everyone has their own free will.

What are angels anyways?

Sacrifice is evil period, sacrifice as an idea is so misunderstood it’s not funny. But because of one page of the Bible you have people willing to murder to appease demons

The “concept” of an angel is always from the perspective of a person, so depending on where you’re reading it could be numerous things. But in ancient times they wanted to conjure these things via ritual

In orthodoxy it’s largely borrowed from Kabbalah the idea of cherubim/seraphim/malakhim etc

I take the position of this: Gods powers are gods powers and my powers are granted only from god. So what I think I see or know isn’t certain. What I do know is that the trinity is real. Everything else is patterned from that source

Despite my qualms with Judaism I trust them more than other understandings but I’m not afraid to call out the discrepancies without wholly invalidating the texts. From my perspective everything is “real” how they manifest in the world is the real mystery but they come from the spoken word which is still consistent with Egyptian thought

 

[Marks]

Idk if we covered it in all the back and forth in this thread but in some interpretations and understanding of the Bible Angels are thoughts/ideas. More specifically from on high/higher self. This interpretation is probably best illustrated in the story where Jacob wrestles with an "angel." Jacob was afraid to see his brother and sent his servants and women/children before him. He stayed up all night "wrestling" with this man/angel and would not let him go unless he blessed him.

22 And he arose that night and took his two wives, his two female servants, and his eleven sons, and crossed over the ford of Jabbok. 23 He took them, sent them [a]over the brook, and sent over what he had. 24 Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the [b]breaking of day. 25 Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He [c]touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob’s hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him. 26 And He said, “Let Me go, for the day breaks.”

But he said, “I will not let You go unless You bless me!”

27 So He said to him, “What is your name?”

He said, “Jacob.”

28 And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but [d]Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”

29 Then Jacob asked, saying, “Tell me Your name, I pray.”

And He said, “Why is it that you ask about My name?” And He blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the name of the place [e]Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” 31 Just as he crossed over [f]Penuel the sun rose on him, and he limped on his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the children of Israel do not eat the muscle that shrank, which is on the hip socket, because He [g]touched the socket of Jacob’s hip in the muscle that shrank.

Hard to call it an interpretation when it seems so obvious. nikka called the place he wrestled "peniel" afterwards. Like come on lmao. When Jacob asks the angels name breh hit him with the

 

[MMS]

Idk if we covered it in all the back and forth in this thread but in some interpretations and understanding of the Bible Angels are thoughts/ideas. More specifically from on high/higher self. This interpretation is probably best illustrated in the story where Jacob wrestles with an "angel." Jacob was afraid to see his brother and sent his servants and women/children before him. He stayed up all night "wrestling" with this man/angel and would not let him go unless he blessed him.

Hard to call it an interpretation when it seems so obvious. nikka called the place he wrestled "peniel" afterwards. Like come on lmao. When Jacob asks the angels name breh hit him with the

If I’m not mistaken phaniel or peniel means “face of god”

That pre-Torah world is different that’s for sure

 

[Koichos]

What is the proper way to learn more about the Kabbalah?

There are not many aspects of Judaism that are off-limits to gentiles and women, but the realm of qabboloh (Hebrew esoteric tradition) is one that is. We are not permitted to teach qabboloh to non-Jews, and we also do not teach it to women. This is not because non-Jews and women are considered somehow inferior, but (i) because non-Jews simply do not have the educational background and foundation to be able to grasp the principles of how such reasoning works, and (ii) women in Judaism have far too many other responsibilities to be able to devote to qabboloh-study the attention it requires. Please leave qabboloh alone—it is not for you and can only do you harm.

The qabboloh literature is private and is not meant for non-Jews to read. It is DANGEROUS; there is a reason Jews are not permitted to study it until we have reached a mature age (traditionally forty years) and have acquired an in-depth knowledge of T'na"ch (i.e., Bible), Talmudh, midhr'shei halochoh, sif'rei halochoh and similar areas of Jewish study. Even Jews cannot learn it by themselves and must be taught how to study qabboloh by expert teachers because its study calls for such an in-depth familiarity with the other sacred texts that it is simply beyond them; and if it is beyond even them, how much further will it be beyond a non-Jew who cannot read Aramaic at all?

I advise you to stop reading things which are labeled 'qabboloh' (this word just means Tradition—the act of 'receiving') and stop filling your head with such nonsense and useless information. Further, the texts that are collectively known as 'qabboloh' (even in the original Aramaic, which will in any case be totally incomprehensible to anyone who has not made a specific study of it) should not be generally available—and English translations are worse than useless. Judaism is not a culture that emphasizes 'spiritualist', 'magical' or 'mystical' matters, and even what mysticism we do maintain is kept strictly in the background and does not form any part of 'normative' Judaism.

Even if you did decide to go through the process of ğeruth ('conversion [to Judaism]'), my advice to you would be to steer very clear of the Zohar: a highly abstruse and esoteric commentary on the Torah, with an emphasis on mystical and spiritual matters. As I mentioned previously, even most Jews cannot understand it and knowledge of it is completely unnecessary in order to be a 'good' Jew and practice Judaism properly. Trust me—you will never be able to comprehend the issues dealt with in that text and, I dare say, it will only confuse or even upset you. I have nothing further to say on the matter and would earnestly urge you to cease asking qabboloh-related questions.

 

[MMS]

There are not many aspects of Judaism that are off-limits to gentiles and women, but the realm of qabboloh (Hebrew esoteric tradition) is one that is. We are not permitted to teach qabboloh to non-Jews, and we also do not teach it to women. This is not because non-Jews and women are considered somehow inferior, but (i) because non-Jews simply do not have the educational background and foundation to be able to grasp the principles of how such reasoning works, and (ii) women in Judaism have far too many other responsibilities to be able to devote to qabboloh-study the attention it requires. Please leave qabboloh alone—it is not for you and can only do you harm.

The qabboloh literature is private and is not meant for non-Jews to read. It is DANGEROUS; there is a reason Jews are not permitted to study it until we have reached a mature age (traditionally forty years) and have acquired an in-depth knowledge of T'na"ch (i.e., Bible), Talmudh, midhr'shei halochoh, sif'rei halochoh and similar areas of Jewish study. Even Jews cannot learn it by themselves and must be taught how to study qabboloh by expert teachers because its study calls for such an in-depth familiarity with the other sacred texts that it is simply beyond them; and if it is beyond even them, how much further will it be beyond a non-Jew who cannot read Aramaic at all?

I advise you to stop reading things which are labeled 'qabboloh' (this word just means Tradition—the act of 'receiving') and stop filling your head with such nonsense and useless information. Further, the texts that are collectively known as 'qabboloh' (even in the original Aramaic, which will in any case be totally incomprehensible to anyone who has not made a specific study of it) should not be generally available—and English translations are worse than useless. Judaism is not a culture that emphasizes 'spiritualist', 'magical' or 'mystical' matters, and even what mysticism we do maintain is kept strictly in the background and does not form any part of 'normative' Judaism.

Even if you did decide to go through the process of ğeruth ('conversion [to Judaism]'), my advice to you would be to steer very clear of the Zohar: a highly abstruse and esoteric commentary on the Torah, with an emphasis on mystical and spiritual matters. As I mentioned previously, even most Jews cannot understand it and knowledge of it is completely unnecessary in order to be a 'good' Jew and practice Judaism properly. Trust me—you will never be able to comprehend the issues dealt with in that text and, I dare say, it will only confuse or even upset you. I have nothing further to say on the matter and would earnestly urge you to cease asking qabboloh-related questions.

Why am I getting day Yahu right now

We are living in a world of illusion

Yall needa cut the bullshyt out :mjlol:

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We are living in a world of illusion

consider this change of perspective if time exists as the above video says, then we are a series of infinite yet indivisible after images because right now is always slightly behind the time it takes for your eyes to register the light from images so if reality was just a projection, you...

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