Was CNN's War Report really that BIG when it Dropped?

[dappadonna]

All I know is , it's got one of my most favorite verses of all time on it

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

the internet was poppin in 1997 breh.

i see what youre tryna say tho.





wrong argument here breh/.

CNN weren't hyped in the media. they were more of a street thing.

the source kinda caught on from jump, having them in unsigned hype and all that, but i don't remember them getting a crazy high rating for the war report.





ice cream was crossover.

i agree with your premise tho.

No they were not hyped prior to the release,but thw whole notion of them having a classic is an east coast media thing.
Truthfully them nikkas wasnt shyt on any level.
wasnt dope rappers
album meant nothing on a street or commercial level,outside the east

 

[BmoreGorilla]

ice cream was crossover.

i agree with your premise tho.

It was definitely his biggest single but I just looked it up at it reached #37 on the Billboard charts. Idk if that qualifies as crossover.

 

[Wacky D]

No they were not hyped prior to the release,but thw whole notion of them having a classic is an east coast media thing.
Truthfully them nikkas wasnt shyt on any level.
wasnt dope rappers
album meant nothing on a street or commercial level,outside the east

breh, what are you even arguing about?

ive never seen the media crown CNN or the war report as a classic.

CNN weren't mainstream, so i wouldn't expect war report to be lauded as a classic all across the map.

commercial heads on the east coast weren't even up on CNN like that, so i wouldn't expect them to be running things in Kentucky.

whats funny is, the same people will turn around and pretend that duos like UGK, 8ball & MJG had national classics.

It was definitely his biggest single but I just looked it up at it reached #37 on the Billboard charts. Idk if that qualifies as crossover.

i mean urban crossover.
the stuff that gets play alongside r&b singles.

I'm not saying it was a pop smash or anything.

besides, the charts can be misleading. ESPECIALLY the singles charts.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

But you said the albums flopped. Theres a difference between flopping and being out sold by the competition

In 95 Cuban Linx sold over 1 million copies with no crossover singles. By comparison Me Against the World sold over 2 mil with multiple crossover singles. Your telling me Cuban Linx wasn't a success?

Basically you hold a grudge against the east coast and you let it effect your posting

when did ob4cl go plat though?
according to riaa ob4cl went gold. maybe it did go plat eventually.
but that aint shyt if it took years.
For instance ,illmatic went plat but it took 7 years,while others in the same time frame were going multi in less than 1 year

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

No idea why we're blaming the internet. That album sold NADA,facts not opinion.
More facts,nikkas had been talking record sales and charts since waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before 1997.
Are you doubting or denying this?

because it was an underground album... so back in 1997, nikkas was not moving like that. where now i can see an artist like a boogie in virginia and cali and texas... back then you wasn't coming on world star to see the new nore.. nobody was making a thread on the album. there wasn't 155 media outlets to let you know

so you had no idea of the impact, cause you wasn't in the upper east coast at the time.. same way in 97, i didn't know shyt about the southern artists most people are naming.. but i can't sit here and tell them "nah it wasn't popping in your region and nobody cared" cause i wasn't there and there was no internet forum to tell me what y'all was doing back then

yes people sold albums... they went gold and 1 times plat and was ECSTATIC about it... you gonna tell me Wu had no buzz? they didn't do numbers back then... method man didn't have buzz? he went 1 times plat... rae didn't have buzz? the purple tape ain't classic? it flopped?

nah unless you was crossing over and getting that nationwide appeal, you wasn't about to do numbers back then... it wasn't 2004 where you could drop any fukking thing and go gold

 

[Wacky D]

i remember CNN getting luv on the forums tho.
that may be how they established an overseas base.

people underestimate how long the internet has been big.

but yea, there as no worldstar or all these other outlets like now.

 

[Black White Sox Hat]

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

ive never seen the media crown CNN or the war report as a classic.

CNN weren't mainstream, so i wouldn't expect war report to be lauded as a classic all across the map.

commercial heads on the east coast weren't even up on CNN like that, so what do you expect? that's not a knock against them at all.

It's not about WHAT I EXPECT.
nikkas talking like it's a classic and it's not. That's my point.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

when did ob4cl go plat though?
according to riaa ob4cl went gold. maybe it did go plat eventually.
but that aint shyt if it took years.
For instance ,illmatic went plat but it took 7 years,while others in the same time frame were going multi in less than 1 year

Idk when it went plat. Either way going gold without any crossover singles is an achievement and proves the album wasn't a flop. Your splitting hairs at this point trying to hold on to your argument. You have a better argument with Nas but Nas was also unknown at the time. There was no hype around his album. No big budget promotion and no big singles. His album gained momentum strictly off word of mouth. Some of the best selling rap albums of 94 were made by Big, Meth, Coolio, and Warren G. All of them had HUGE singles and crossover appeal. You cant call an album a flop if it didn't have big expectations in the first place

I mean Jeru the Damaja had a bigger single in 94 than Nas

 

[BmoreGorilla]

It's not about WHAT I EXPECT.
nikkas talking like it's a classic and it's not. That's my point.

Your whole argument is based on sales tho and that's all. By your logic we should be calling It Takes A Thief by Coolio a classic

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

because it was an underground album... so back in 1997, nikkas was not moving like that. where now i can see an artist like a boogie in virginia and cali and texas... back then you wasn't coming on world star to see the new nore.. nobody was making a thread on the album. there wasn't 155 media outlets to let you know

so you had no idea of the impact, cause you wasn't in the upper east coast at the time.. same way in 97, i didn't know shyt about the southern artists most people are naming.. but i can't sit here and tell them "nah it wasn't popping in your region and nobody cared" cause i wasn't there and there was no internet forum to tell me what y'all was doing back then

yes people sold albums... they went gold and 1 times plat and was ECSTATIC about it... you gonna tell me Wu had no buzz? they didn't do numbers back then... method man didn't have buzz? he went 1 times plat... rae didn't have buzz? the purple tape ain't classic? it flopped?

nah unless you was crossing over and getting that nationwide appeal, you wasn't about to do numbers back then... it wasn't 2004 where you could drop any fukking thing and go gold

I dont know how old YOU THINK I AM but i'm in my late 30's and dont need a history lesson about 1997. I was a grown man back then.

What makes CNN an underground album? cause it didnt sale?
Not saying it was a pop album. But it's hard for me to accept that excuse if it was on the majors and had videos on BET

Wu had buzz,method was a star. OB4cl flopped.

We gotta keep things in perspective and treat albums equal.
If something wasnt popping in my region AND it didnt sell,it makes sense that i believe it wasnt popping or just a regional classic.
That's how the east treats all albums that werent big on the east. so lets go with that theme

 

[Wacky D]

It's not about WHAT I EXPECT.
nikkas talking like it's a classic and it's not. That's my point.

how is it not a classic?

because it wasn't a mega-mainstream smash?

is that your sole reasoning? cuz last I checked, it was a semi-underground street album.

What makes CNN an underground album? cause it didnt sale?
Not saying it was a pop album. But it's hard for me to accept that excuse if it was on the majors and had videos on BET

If something wasnt popping in my region AND it didnt sell,it makes sense that i believe it wasnt popping or just a regional classic.
That's how the east treats all albums that werent big on the east. so lets go with that theme

the most it got was spins on rap city.
along with the fact that the product wasn't commercially-geared at all.......that's semi-underground to me.

I don't think anybody would argue if you called it a regional classic actually.

for me, i'll just call it a classic, cuz you know how I roll personally. theres underground albums from the west/south/Midwest that I consider a classic.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Idk when it went plat. Either way going gold without any crossover singles is an achievement and proves the album wasn't a flop. Your splitting hairs at this point trying to hold on to your argument. You have a better argument with Nas but Nas was also unknown at the time. There was no hype around his album. No big budget promotion and no big singles. His album gained momentum strictly off word of mouth. Some of the best selling rap albums of 94 were made by Big, Meth, Coolio, and Warren G. All of them had HUGE singles and crossover appeal. You cant call an album a flop if it didn't have big expectations in the first place

I mean Jeru the Damaja had a bigger single in 94 than Nas

Going gold was ok. However only east coast albums with those type of sales in that time can get those level of props which is why i must shoot em down.

Nas getting 5 mics in the source and having videos constantly on mainstream video shows does not quantify as "strictly word of mouth" actually it's the opposite. Big,cooli,warren,bone ,outkast,meth,da brat were all bigger than nas in 1994. But let the east coast media tell it ,nas was right there or above nikkas.


Illmatic was released on April 19, 1994 through Columbia Records in the United States.[48] The album also featured international distribution that same year in countries including France, the Netherlands, Canada and the United Kingdom.[54][55][56][57] In its first week of release, Illmatic made its debut on the Billboard 200 albums chart at number 12, while selling 60,000 copies.[58] In spite of this, initial record sales fell below expectations

nikkas love talking but there bullshyt is easily dispelled

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

how is it not a classic?

because it wasn't a mega-mainstream smash?

is that your sole reasoning? cuz last I checked, it was a semi-underground street album.





the most it got was spins on rap city.
along with the fact that the product wasn't commercially-geared at all.......that's semi-underground to me.

I don't think anybody would argue if you called it a regional classic actually.

for me, i'll just call it a classic, cuz you know how I roll personally. theres underground albums from the west/south/Midwest that I consider a classic.

meant nothing in my town (and it didnt sell),no pass from me.