VICE: Does racial resentment fuel opposition to paying college athletes?

[No Sleep]

Got a lot of reading to do tonight.

 

[Texas2step]

Shhh, stuff like that wouldn't come into the equation. I mean they all play for free now right and that doesn't happen.

That is because it is equal and no one is getting paid more than another. These are kids and they have parents and friends that will be all in their ear if they started paying college athletes and paying some athletes more than others

 

[NoMayo15]

Who says we need to keep all 128 D1 schools? Is anyone really checking for Louisiana Tech or Florida Intl? I'm sorry, but if a university can't find a way to keep a sports program solvent, then why not get rid of it? The NFL has, what 32 teams? I think it would be perfectly okay to have 50-60 schools with legitimate national championship, or upper tier bowl aspirations. And there doesn't need to be a thousand bowl games either... is anyone really watching the Papa Johns or whatever bowl? Get rid of them too, fukk. Why do we NEED to keep them all?

 

[L&HH]

but I don't know solution to getting that done for all teams and players

Idk why you guys keep saying you don't know the solution. It's called the free market, you don't need to set a value because the market will pay what it can bear. A possible cap and floor on spending would be the only nuance necessary to figure out.

why not?

how is it justifiable to pay one and not the other?

The same justification for a d-league NBA player earning $50,000 a season and one in the actual NBA gets the $400k league minimum. The same justification for Nick Saban earning $7,000,000 a year and D3 coaches make $40,000 a year. Or the same reason the CEO at your job gets paid 7 figures and you get paid 6 figures. People higher up and in more coveted positions (i.e are more important to the incoming revenue) get paid more. You get paid what your worth (or more appropriately what you're able to negotiate).

 

[RammerJammer]

Idk why you guys keep saying you don't know the solution. It's called the free market, you don't need to set a value because the market will pay what it can bear. A possible cap and floor on spending would be the only nuance necessary to figure out.

Bro because I simply don't know, I'm not gonna apologize for not being educated enough on a subject.

But thanks for answering that.

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Who says we need to keep all 128 D1 schools? Is anyone really checking for Louisiana Tech or Florida Intl? I'm sorry, but if a university can't find a way to keep a sports program solvent, then why not get rid of it? The NFL has, what 32 teams? I think it would be perfectly okay to have 50-60 schools with legitimate national championship, or upper tier bowl aspirations. And there doesn't need to be a thousand bowl games either... is anyone really watching the Papa Johns or whatever bowl? Get rid of them too, fukk. Why do we NEED to keep them all?

Yea fukk the thousands upon thousands of kids who won't get a chance to get an education b/c there is nowhere to play football! As long as the top guys(who are already getting paid) are getting paid more!

Bowl games are how some of these teams make any money.. that's why they have them

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Idk why you guys keep saying you don't know the solution. It's called the free market, you don't need to set a value because the market will pay what it can bear. A possible cap and floor on spending would be the only nuance necessary to figure out.

The same justification for a d-league NBA player earning $50,000 a season and one in the actual NBA gets the $400k league minimum. The same justification for Nick Saban earning $7,000,000 a year and D3 coaches make $40,000 a year. Or the same reason the CEO at your job gets paid 7 figures and you get paid 6 figures. People higher up and in more coveted positions (i.e are more important to the incoming revenue) get paid more. You get paid what your worth (or more appropriately what you're able to negotiate).

Something that would effectively kill college football as we know it isn't an effective solution

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

40 hours in season is obviously counting the weekend. So like I said 5-6 hours a day. As u see if u keep reading the article. What am I missing?

And teh season is 3 months? Thats 9 months of offseason to focus on academics......

The season isn't just 3 months you idiot. These kids do intense preseason training and post season training, not to talk of the heavy travel. Again, STFU if you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Lol yea all of this sounds nice in theory, but obviously this will never happen. ITs fun to imagine though I agree.

I see you didn't want to answer 90% of what i said

Considering when many of these athletes come from, it is a blessing to get to a Big college all payed for. It is a major opportunity, not only for their athletic career but to actually study and make something of their life. They should be pimping the whole system whilst they're there. Train hard and study hard considering a lot of the time it is free.

That's absurd logic. It'd be like saying that because Puffy Combs signs talent from the ghetto, that they should just be happy with what ever he gives them, regardless of what he's making off of them.

People are calling people CACs in here as if there arent a shytload of white people in CFB and CBB

Grayson Allen's or Josh Rosens white asses shouldnt be getting paid either

Pretend that the majority of athletes that drive college football & basketball aren't Black, brehs

Well if the spoiled punk athletes feel like modern day slaves who are being exploited then why dont they quit? Nobody's forcing these whiny bytches to catch or dunk balls for free. Basketball players can go overseas and play for money right out of HS

Because for a lot of them, it's the only thing they can do. It'd be like a record company arguing, "if you don't like being raped out of your publishing and royalties, then just quit singing", when that's the only skill you have.

I said "punk", not "thug"

Punk doesnt have a racial connotation to it
Grayson Allen is a punk
Johnny Manziel was a punk
Brian Bozworth was a punk

Yeah, i'm sure you were thinking about Brian Bosworth when you made that statement

CACs are always obvious in these arguments.

But as he also pointed out earlier only not all these schools are making money. And black men play for schools from D1 down to D3. The issue with saying "they aren't like regular students" is like well duh. They aren't applying for regular student jobs either. I'd be willing to go as far as saying athletes are probably better prepared for their "job field" than the average student on campus.

Division 3 students aren't regularly starring in the highest rated show on television with millions of people cheering for them and wearing their jersey.

Johnny Manziel was more famous than 99% of the people in Hollywood when he was in college

Athletics cost colleges, students millions

The Knight Commission says Division I schools with football spent $91,936 per athlete in 2010, seven times the spending per student of $13,628. Division I universities without football spent $39,201 per athlete, more than triple the average student spending.

Nearly every university loses money on sports. Even after private donations and ticket sales, they fill the gap by tapping students paying tuition or state taxpayers.

Then why do they pay Nick Saban $7 million?

Why is the highest paid public employee a college coach in 39 states?

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-states-highest-paid-public-employee-college-coach-2016-9

I guess they must REALLY just must be doing this out of the kindness of their hearts

That's true. But if you truly believe many of these athletes aren't compensated at some level, I have a bridge to sale you. I've lived in T Town, I seen Rod Grizzard go from not having shyt at Central Park to driving a Navigator on dubs on campus, I don't know if they getting money directly in their hands, but these dudes don't be hurting. And the good ole boy network usually has a job in place for the ones who don't make it.

Nobody's saying they're not being compensated under the table, but that's illegal and it shouldn't be. People generating billions shouldn't be having to sneak to get a fukking hamburger?

And if there's such a great "good ol' boys' network, why are 80% of NFL players broke within 5 years of leaving the league? Where's their good ol' boy network then?

And those degrees mean nothing

How Much Is a Degree Worth to College Athletes? Not Much | VICE Sports

So what's the solution? Killing college football? Brilliant idea

If it can't work without exploiting poor people? Yes

why not?

how is it justifiable to pay one and not the other?

That's be like arguing how is it justifiable to pay Rihanna millions while girls singing in clubs don't get paid at all.

One generates billions in record sales and tours, and the other is wasting her life

Wouldn't paying athletes for autograph jerseys ect.. open up a gateway for a lot of corruption? for example: a booster or the mafia paying an athlete to throw games and paying them by purchasing their autographed jersey for a lot of money. They will find a way to funnel money to these athletes for the wrong purposes.

That actually already happened going back to the CCNY scandal of the '50s because these kids are perpetually poor.

Who's more likely to be bought, a kid who's making a decent living, or one who has nothing but Ramen Noodles in his flat?

I think student athletes should get paid but everyone needs to be equal otherwise it will cause problems. If you are on the OL and you are getting paid less while the RB gets more because he is seen as star because of the big holes you are opening up for him, then jealousy and envy will come into play. Hell they might even protest or refuse to block

Um, the NFL doesn't pay them equally and guys are still expected to do their jobs, right?

Yea fukk the thousands upon thousands of kids who won't get a chance to get an education b/c there is nowhere to play football! As long as the top guys(who are already getting paid) are getting paid more!

Bowl games are how some of these teams make any money.. that's why they have them

And?

People go to Hollywood to become stars, fail and end up waiting tables. Do we take that out of Tom Cruise's check?

The idea that this is some benevolent arrangement to make sure MORE kids get educations, is downright laughable.

Those educations don't mean shyt, they're only there to play football/basketball and the coaches and ADs like it that way

How Much Is a Degree Worth to College Athletes? Not Much | VICE Sports

Something that would effectively kill college football as we know it isn't an effective solution

Yes, it is.

Only American basketball & football even use colleges as their primary amateur ranks.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

In some classes more than others. I also work 20-25 hours a week. I don't try nearly as hard as I could. Thats my own fault obviously.

And the "best football players" is such a small fraction we obviously aren't talking about them. They are the ones who benefit either way obviously and don't have to try in school. Its the other 99% that aren't going to be getting paid or going to the NFL and will have their scholarships and everything else reduced.

Then shut the fukk up. Your working only 20 hours a week and are still struggling to pass your classes, yet you expect football players putting in 40+ a week to get 4.0s.

Again, it's clear your struggling in school because as you've demonstrated in this thread, you're an obtuse moron.

 

[NoMayo15]

Yea fukk the thousands upon thousands of kids who won't get a chance to get an education b/c there is nowhere to play football! As long as the top guys(who are already getting paid) are getting paid more!

Bowl games are how some of these teams make any money.. that's why they have them

Not only are you an idiot who argues topics without any knowledge on the subject, you also struggle to string together a logically sound argument. This is a false dilemma. The option isn't thousands of no-name or terrible programs must keep their athletics or kids won't get educated, no. Those kids can still get an education, but instead of getting a bullshyt degree from Duke or Stanford where they didn't write their own papers, didn't take the tests, i.e. didn't really learn anything ... they can go to a less academically strenuous school as a normal student and earn a degree like everyone else. Might this restrict those who can't afford or can't get a loan from attending? Perhaps, but that's a separate issue.

 

[Remote]

Then why do they pay Nick Saban $7 million?

Why is the highest paid public employee a college coach in 39 states?

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-states-highest-paid-public-employee-college-coach-2016-9

I guess they must REALLY just must be doing this out of the kindness of their hearts

 

[FSP]

What would this have to do with racial resentment curious. White athletes would profit too

 

[NYC Rebel]

What would this have to do with racial resentment curious. White athletes would profit too

You said "too"'in a thread talking about a sport where they aren't the majority. The resentment is directed towards the majority. Do you not get it?

 

[FSP]

You said "too"'in a thread talking about a sport where they aren't the majority. The resentment is directed towards the majority. Do you not get it?

which sport is that? There are none mentioned in OP's post. I don't see what it has to do with race. The baseball team can't make money either