It's like that quote from Schindler's List.
"If I'm making 1 you've got to be making 3. And if you admit to making 3 then it's 4."
Except the NCAA higher ups ARE cashing in.
Schindler wasn't.
VICE: Does racial resentment fuel opposition to paying college athletes?
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"If I'm making 1 you've got to be making 3. And if you admit to making 3 then it's 4."
Except the NCAA higher ups ARE cashing in.
Schindler wasn't.
TUA TAGOVAILOA
Superstar
Exactly. These guys keep saying these colleges are swimming in money. Its like yea we get the TOP universities are swimming in money. But the other 100 programs are not..... Been trying to get this through ppl's head this whole thread
Xavier has it figured out. This is what would happen. Teams would start shutting down their football programs left and right.
TUA TAGOVAILOA
Superstar
Yes we understand that the top universities and football programs are swimming in money almighty genius! But that still doesn't help us figure out what to do with the 100 other programs. Thanks though I really appreciate ur ability to keep pointing out the obvious while trying to act like everyone else is a blithering idiot. Great look on ya
Y'all really need to stop expending energy against brick walls.
People always tell on themselves in this discussion by the basic arguments they don't pursue, and where their indignation isn't directed. One student in my class was apoplectic because she heard from someone else the football players were getting meals from a steak house once a week for "free." Add that onto the scooters they get to ride around campus, and not only should they not be paid, maybe they owe the school some money back! Another student who had done better at researching the issue, and was generally more thoughtful, pointed out the football coach - who makes 5 million a year - had just hired his son-in-law to work for the football program, at a six figure salary, although the guy had no previous football experience whatsoever. He wondered what was the more egregious expense: meals to feed the talent, or over $100 thousand a year for multiple years paid to a man with no worth to the University? She simply doubled down on her argument, which basically boiled down to "people in authority shouldn't be scrutinized." It's a common line of thought among lemmings and dummies.
The logic behind all of the contempt for players and the indifference to the people actually running the grift has plenty to do with race and conditioned bias, and some to do with proximity and visibility. Reminds me of a time I had to check my lady, actually. I helped a local politician some with his campaign, and with raising money for a charity for which he was a board member. He's a real estate agent, and his office upgrades his iphone on their dime, so when he got his 7, he offered me his barely used 6+ as a token of his appreciation for my friendship and assistance. When my lady found out, instead of being happy for me (she hated my android phone and was harassing me to get an iphone) or seeing why he gave me this phone, she immediately got sour that she was stuck with an iphone4. "I wish I had a friend who would just give me a phone."
So I politely cursed her the fukk out, and broke down the self-serving, emotional rationalizing she was trapped in.
I. She never had a chance at getting that phone because she hadn't helped a friend with his political campaign, nor had she been the feature speaker at an event that raised $10,000 for a homeless shelter. I was a direct contributor to his personal advancements; she was just another person, like every other person in town.
II. That phone illustrates the difference between cost and value. In a vacuum, the phone is worth plenty. To a man who doesn't pay for his phone, and gets automatic upgrades without cost, the phone has a different value entirely. It was sitting in his desk, gathering dust. Its real value was in serving as a very convenient though inadequate payment for services rendered. If he wasn't a friend, and if I didn't want to write and deliver a talk to raise money for the homeless shelter, I would've laughed in his face if he tried to compensate me via his old company-purchased cell phone.
III. Her proximity to me made her reaction more emotional. Much like a child who sees her cousin has 3 new toys when she is stuck playing with 1 toy, all she can see it what she doesn't have and how it's just not fair. Context ceases to matter. It's the lowest form of pocket-watching. You're my age, in similar circumstance... you shouldn't have anything I don't get to have. It's a simpleton's mindset, an envy driven by a warped and ever-changing personal view of what other people and ourselves "deserve."
Similarly, the fan and the student feel on equal footing with the player. In fact, most feel a sense of superiority to the brute who they see as intellectually deficient (they don't deserve money because they would spend it on stupid things, they don't take education seriously, etc), lazy, and spoiled. To see them get money for their contributions to the University would throw off that feeling of equal footing and superiority. So even a weekly steak - and best believe the meals are a pittance in the context of the team's budget, and meant to help not just with team morale but also to make weight goals - or a goofy little scooter seem a bigger waste of money than the coach having access to a private helicopter and private car paid for with University money when he doesn't need the one and can easily afford the other on his own. Because these lemmings are conditioned to believe the authority figure has earned all his spoils - otherwise, he wouldn't be an authority figure.
Their thinking is so pre-conditioned that the most practical notions are alien to them. It's the kind of thinking vultures and grifters thrive on. It's the kind of thinking that accepts the grifter's perspective at face value. The kind of thinking that made the late night infomercial lucrative. Normally this advanced microfiber brow-cooler is worth $325; for the next hour we'll be selling it for 3 payments of $19.99! Next thing you know, a bunch of simpletons have paid $60 for a headband it cost .79 to manufacture in a foreign country, because they couldn't figure out the most basic tenet of capitalism: if someone is consistently selling a product at 400% loss, that person would not be able to afford a commercial, nor would that person have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
So the dummies keep believing Universities are losing money because of football! That's so weird, man! They keep losing all this money but they keep running these programs and expanding these stadiums. They are going fukking bankrupt but they keep paying coaches multi-million, long term guaranteed contracts. The school is in financial peril, but the strength coach makes $500,000 a year. Can you even believe it?!
Forget having direct, inside knowledge on how this all works, which I do. Detailed explanations of the imaginary worth of a football scholarship are readily available. Detailed explanations of how these institutions hide profits, and create positions and benefits to enrich their own so it looks like all the money is "spent" are easy enough to find if you put the effort in. Reports of middling teams paying tens of millions to their conference so they can jump ship to another conference where the revenue sharing will be more lucrative are out there if you want to use your brain and understand what's actually happening.
But the lemming leans on simple, nonsensical explanations that cater to his feelings of resentment and entitlement, as well as the laziness and disposability of the people who serve as fuel for the economic engine of these institutions, and oftentimes the entire local region, from restaurants and bars to hotels and car services, to the real estate market, where people purchase condos and apartments specifically for football weekends. Business is booming, staffs and facilities are expanding, salaries are increasing at an obscene rate relative to other university employees who actually do things for... you know... students. But the only people receiving scrutiny and scorn are the ones seeing no taste of the bounty. Because the schools are losing money, you see. They just keep doing this crazy thing that's losing them money, because they're so crazy. The state pays them exorbitant salaries to lose and lose and lose money, but we can't possibly eliminate the cause of this loss, because what would we do without the thing that loses all the money?
The lemming also believes with all his heart that paying players a meager stipend (and if they ever do pay these athletes, believe me, it'll still be a joke of a fraction of what they generate) would ruin this amateur sport! The entire system would crumble! How would all these people collectively making billions figure out to keep producing the product??? All of the good players would go to one school and only 3 schools would ever win and the fans would be oh so sad about it all and then the whole sport might just go away and what would we do then? Because there's no way that television execs, school administrators, corporate sponsors, and the assortment of movers and shakers who fatten their pockets every year would figure out a way to keep themselves in the money. No, of course not. They'd just throw up their hands and say "this shyt got too complex, man. I quit!"
BelowTheMasonDixon
Veteran
Oh It's a shyt load of money being thrown around AT THE TOP. And It would be foolish to think that race doesn't play into many peoples opinions on why Athletes shouldn't be paid. BUT just because race plays a factor in many opinions doesn't change the fact that it would probably be impossible to implement. and maybe not even feasible to do so.
See this is the problem.
People are willing to admit that the system is a scam that benefits on the labor of these athletes but would allow it to continue for no other reason than the solution might be difficult.
That's not good enough.
TUA TAGOVAILOA
Superstar
So what's the solution? Killing college football? Brilliant idea
First admit that players should be paid.
Then address the long post that @Walt made.
You've been avoiding his arguments directly like a coward.
TUA TAGOVAILOA
Superstar
I've replied to all of his posts he has replied to none of mine wtf are u talking about
BelowTheMasonDixon
Veteran
No YOU are saying it's a scam that benefits on the labor of these athletes. I'm actually more concerned with how these albatrosses saddle the average student with higher tuition and debt. More brothers are going to be taking course work than will ever see that field or that basketball court.
resurrection
By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War
Of course it's definitely part racial resentment but it's also part envy and contempt toward people they feel have not earned their station in life somehow. "Ordinary" people (a group of which I consider myself a member so no offense intended) have a tendency to look with envy and contempt only toward others they deem as "ordinary" because that's who they can relate to. They can't relate to billionaires, the 1%, so they don't even talk about those people. Even though, if anyone is responsible for ordinary people being stuck where they are, it's the 1%
I think back to Immortal Technique's analogy about how we are all trying to kick each other out of the little boats while the bougie motherfukkers ride on a luxury liner. Why are we so mad at college athletes, or welfare recipients, or whoever for wanting a better life and chastising them for not "earning it" while nobody questions the people who truly control the flow of wealth in this country? What, every fukking rich guy out there clawed and scratched his way to the top, right? There are those people who decide things like executive compensation vs compensation for lower level employees, who write policies/laws that allow for costs of vital things like education and healthcare to skyrocket, rising real estate/rent, for Wall Street to run roughshod over the country while the middle and working classes struggle. All those people earned it right? All those people pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and were never helped by inheritances, nepotism, or anything else?
But no, we're just mad at insanely poor people who collectively take up a small fraction of government spending just to keep them alive/afloat, and we're angry at college athletes whose special talents and abilities (that "ordinary people" do not possess) provide immense value to their institutions. Granted I will say that, given the cost of education, the value of a scholarship is huge and much greater than it once was. But why do we have so much contempt for folks like this when we don't even question why a small group of humans own so much wealth that they'd never be able to spend in their lifetimes are the ones keeping us all fighting each other for the scraps to begin with? If you can honestly look me in the eye and tell me that other poor and/or working class and/or middle class people are more responsible for your station in life than politicians and corporate greed, then I don't know what to fukking tell you. It's just contempt and envy for others coming up when that should be the goal for us all. Success is not a zero sum game, people. Other peoples' gain doesn't have to be your loss.
I think back to Immortal Technique's analogy about how we are all trying to kick each other out of the little boats while the bougie motherfukkers ride on a luxury liner. Why are we so mad at college athletes, or welfare recipients, or whoever for wanting a better life and chastising them for not "earning it" while nobody questions the people who truly control the flow of wealth in this country? What, every fukking rich guy out there clawed and scratched his way to the top, right? There are those people who decide things like executive compensation vs compensation for lower level employees, who write policies/laws that allow for costs of vital things like education and healthcare to skyrocket, rising real estate/rent, for Wall Street to run roughshod over the country while the middle and working classes struggle. All those people earned it right? All those people pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and were never helped by inheritances, nepotism, or anything else?
But no, we're just mad at insanely poor people who collectively take up a small fraction of government spending just to keep them alive/afloat, and we're angry at college athletes whose special talents and abilities (that "ordinary people" do not possess) provide immense value to their institutions. Granted I will say that, given the cost of education, the value of a scholarship is huge and much greater than it once was. But why do we have so much contempt for folks like this when we don't even question why a small group of humans own so much wealth that they'd never be able to spend in their lifetimes are the ones keeping us all fighting each other for the scraps to begin with? If you can honestly look me in the eye and tell me that other poor and/or working class and/or middle class people are more responsible for your station in life than politicians and corporate greed, then I don't know what to fukking tell you. It's just contempt and envy for others coming up when that should be the goal for us all. Success is not a zero sum game, people. Other peoples' gain doesn't have to be your loss.
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
breh...
this isnt difficult...it really isnt...the NCAA, controls how the money is distributed....
why couldnt the NCAA also figure out how to pay for the other programs that dont generate as much money?
TUA TAGOVAILOA
Superstar
Revenue sharing works to a degree when there isnt 130 teams
theoretic
All Star
Y'all really need to stop expending energy against brick walls.
People always tell on themselves in this discussion by the basic arguments they don't pursue, and where their indignation isn't directed. One student in my class was apoplectic because she heard from someone else the football players were getting meals from a steak house once a week for "free." Add that onto the scooters they get to ride around campus, and not only should they not be paid, maybe they owe the school some money back! Another student who had done better at researching the issue, and was generally more thoughtful, pointed out the football coach - who makes 5 million a year - had just hired his son-in-law to work for the football program, at a six figure salary, although the guy had no previous football experience whatsoever. He wondered what was the more egregious expense: meals to feed the talent, or over $100 thousand a year for multiple years paid to a man with no worth to the University? She simply doubled down on her argument, which basically boiled down to "people in authority shouldn't be scrutinized." It's a common line of thought among lemmings and dummies.
The logic behind all of the contempt for players and the indifference to the people actually running the grift has plenty to do with race and conditioned bias, and some to do with proximity and visibility. Reminds me of a time I had to check my lady, actually. I helped a local politician some with his campaign, and with raising money for a charity for which he was a board member. He's a real estate agent, and his office upgrades his iphone on their dime, so when he got his 7, he offered me his barely used 6+ as a token of his appreciation for my friendship and assistance. When my lady found out, instead of being happy for me (she hated my android phone and was harassing me to get an iphone) or seeing why he gave me this phone, she immediately got sour that she was stuck with an iphone4. "I wish I had a friend who would just give me a phone."
So I politely cursed her the fukk out, and broke down the self-serving, emotional rationalizing she was trapped in.
I. She never had a chance at getting that phone because she hadn't helped a friend with his political campaign, nor had she been the feature speaker at an event that raised $10,000 for a homeless shelter. I was a direct contributor to his personal advancements; she was just another person, like every other person in town.
II. That phone illustrates the difference between cost and value. In a vacuum, the phone is worth plenty. To a man who doesn't pay for his phone, and gets automatic upgrades without cost, the phone has a different value entirely. It was sitting in his desk, gathering dust. Its real value was in serving as a very convenient though inadequate payment for services rendered. If he wasn't a friend, and if I didn't want to write and deliver a talk to raise money for the homeless shelter, I would've laughed in his face if he tried to compensate me via his old company-purchased cell phone.
III. Her proximity to me made her reaction more emotional. Much like a child who sees her cousin has 3 new toys when she is stuck playing with 1 toy, all she can see it what she doesn't have and how it's just not fair. Context ceases to matter. It's the lowest form of pocket-watching. You're my age, in similar circumstance... you shouldn't have anything I don't get to have. It's a simpleton's mindset, an envy driven by a warped and ever-changing personal view of what other people and ourselves "deserve."
Similarly, the fan and the student feel on equal footing with the player. In fact, most feel a sense of superiority to the brute who they see as intellectually deficient (they don't deserve money because they would spend it on stupid things, they don't take education seriously, etc), lazy, and spoiled. To see them get money for their contributions to the University would throw off that feeling of equal footing and superiority. So even a weekly steak - and best believe the meals are a pittance in the context of the team's budget, and meant to help not just with team morale but also to make weight goals - or a goofy little scooter seem a bigger waste of money than the coach having access to a private helicopter and private car paid for with University money when he doesn't need the one and can easily afford the other on his own. Because these lemmings are conditioned to believe the authority figure has earned all his spoils - otherwise, he wouldn't be an authority figure.
Their thinking is so pre-conditioned that the most practical notions are alien to them. It's the kind of thinking vultures and grifters thrive on. It's the kind of thinking that accepts the grifter's perspective at face value. The kind of thinking that made the late night infomercial lucrative. Normally this advanced microfiber brow-cooler is worth $325; for the next hour we'll be selling it for 3 payments of $19.99! Next thing you know, a bunch of simpletons have paid $60 for a headband it cost .79 to manufacture in a foreign country, because they couldn't figure out the most basic tenet of capitalism: if someone is consistently selling a product at 400% loss, that person would not be able to afford a commercial, nor would that person have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
So the dummies keep believing Universities are losing money because of football! That's so weird, man! They keep losing all this money but they keep running these programs and expanding these stadiums. They are going fukking bankrupt but they keep paying coaches multi-million, long term guaranteed contracts. The school is in financial peril, but the strength coach makes $500,000 a year. Can you even believe it?!
Forget having direct, inside knowledge on how this all works, which I do. Detailed explanations of the imaginary worth of a football scholarship are readily available. Detailed explanations of how these institutions hide profits, and create positions and benefits to enrich their own so it looks like all the money is "spent" are easy enough to find if you put the effort in. Reports of middling teams paying tens of millions to their conference so they can jump ship to another conference where the revenue sharing will be more lucrative are out there if you want to use your brain and understand what's actually happening.
But the lemming leans on simple, nonsensical explanations that cater to his feelings of resentment and entitlement, as well as the laziness and disposability of the people who serve as fuel for the economic engine of these institutions, and oftentimes the entire local region, from restaurants and bars to hotels and car services, to the real estate market, where people purchase condos and apartments specifically for football weekends. Business is booming, staffs and facilities are expanding, salaries are increasing at an obscene rate relative to other university employees who actually do things for... you know... students. But the only people receiving scrutiny and scorn are the ones seeing no taste of the bounty. Because the schools are losing money, you see. They just keep doing this crazy thing that's losing them money, because they're so crazy. The state pays them exorbitant salaries to lose and lose and lose money, but we can't possibly eliminate the cause of this loss, because what would we do without the thing that loses all the money?
The lemming also believes with all his heart that paying players a meager stipend (and if they ever do pay these athletes, believe me, it'll still be a joke of a fraction of what they generate) would ruin this amateur sport! The entire system would crumble! How would all these people collectively making billions figure out to keep producing the product??? All of the good players would go to one school and only 3 schools would ever win and the fans would be oh so sad about it all and then the whole sport might just go away and what would we do then? Because there's no way that television execs, school administrators, corporate sponsors, and the assortment of movers and shakers who fatten their pockets every year would figure out a way to keep themselves in the money. No, of course not. They'd just throw up their hands and say "this shyt got too complex, man. I quit!"
I don't think college athletes should get paid
not for the same reason as your typical cac though
I do agree with the post college compensation though.
and miss me with the modern day slave narrtiveanybody who says that should be smacked
I love the poetry of these posts being back to back.
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
its actually more than that...a lot more if you count div 2 and 3...more like almost 1100 schools....
it could be done...there just no incentive to do it
the ncaa makes almost a billion a year of the basket ball tournament alone
they signed a contract for 11 billion over 14 years a couple years ago
TUA TAGOVAILOA
Superstar
All it would do is raise inflation across the board it wouldn't solve the root problem