Update on "something happened" Brock/Vince (still no details though)

[23Barrettcity]

It's gonna suck if Brock simply gives a half-ass performance like he did at WM 20. We all know Roman Reigns will need all the help he can get in the ring.

IMO, Brock is probably feelin himself right now. UFC heavyweight div looks pretty weak. In two fights he could be champ again over there.






but if it had to end, who else on the roster would've been credible enough?


If they were never gonna let him lose they shoulda stopped it at 20-0. In the end, brock didn't NEED it though. He's no more legit than he was before that.

Brock is more legit , we forget he was losing to hhh and cena and almost to punk prior to ending the streak .

That's what they want you to think. That was a 20-year investment, was bigger than the main event at multiple Wrestlemanias and spawned a crowd reaction that we'll probably never see again in our lifetimes. The 1 in 21-1 jobbed to 1 pedigree two years ago. It ain't gonna feel like THAT big of a deal.

It's not what they want us to think it's what vince wants. You think he'd be trying all this the past 2 years with reigns ??? You think they would call brock the 1 in 21-1? This is wwe that barely acknowledges feud from a month ago let alone a year ago.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Brock ending the streak wasn't about giving Brock the rub, it was about giving the rub to the person who beats Brock

well then if you think they were so concerned about giving the rub to someone then why didn't they just have that person beat taker himself?

surely being the one to end the streak would have been a bigger launching platform than being the one to beat brock, right?

what are people gonna remember more?

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

well then if you think they were so concerned about giving the rub to someone then why didn't they just have that person beat taker himself?

surely being the one to end the streak would have been a bigger launching platform than being the one to beat brock, right?

what are people gonna remember more?

You need face reigns to beat a heel he'll be cheered against though. Regardless of what will happen they won't of saw Taker as that guy

 

[23Barrettcity]

well then if you think they were so concerned about giving the rub to someone then why didn't they just have that person beat taker himself?

surely being the one to end the streak would have been a bigger launching platform than being the one to beat brock, right?

what are people gonna remember more?

They want to create a new face and beating taker makes you a heel

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

They want to create a new face and beating taker makes you a heel

what makes you think that? hulk hogan was the most over wrestler in history and hadn't lost a match clean since beating the sheik. did beating him for the belt turn warrior into a heel?

a babyface that was really over with the crowd would have gotten cheered against taker. someone that had a loyal following and posed a legit challenge. think cm punk circa '11-'12 before the heel turn. not saying he was the right or the wrong guy, but feasibly a win like that would have propelled him even higher. no way do the fans outright turn on him. it would have been percieved as an epic and glorious moment.

 

[jadillac]

Brock is more legit , we forget he was losing to hhh and cena and almost to punk prior to ending the streak .

It's not what they want us to think it's what vince wants. You think he'd be trying all this the past 2 years with reigns ??? You think they would call brock the 1 in 21-1? This is wwe that barely acknowledges feud from a month ago let alone a year ago.

nah, they coulda worked it easily to make him appear to be a monster ithout using the "streak" to do so.

 

[R=G]

what makes you think that? hulk hogan was the most over wrestler in history and hadn't lost a match clean since beating the sheik. did beating him for the belt turn warrior into a heel?

a babyface that was really over with the crowd would have gotten cheered against taker. someone that had a loyal following and posed a legit challenge. think cm punk circa '11-'12 before the heel turn. not saying he was the right or the wrong guy, but feasibly a win like that would have propelled him even higher. no way do the fans outright turn on him. it would have been percieved as an epic and glorious moment.

Crowds are much tougher than these days than 1990 and those days where it wasn't cynical. Only thing that got Taker booed in recent years is,when they has that poll on Raw showing Punk vs Taker winning a poll vote against Rock vs Austin WM 17.Crowd booed that hard but Taker has been protected so much, fans are conditioned to boo against any face he faces.

Bryan and AJ got cheered over Punk in 2012...so him going heel against Taker was smart. Fans got a little sick of him.

 

[Truth200]

surely being the one to end the streak would have been a bigger launching platform than being the one to beat brock, right?

I don't agree because once a wrestler gets into their late 40's them doing a job is not a big deal anymore.

Someone beating Brock right now would be a much bigger deal.

Undertaker streak at Mania had no wins over Hogan, Austin, Savage, Bret, Rock, Brock.

HBK doing the jobs made the streak into a bigger deal than it really was.

I guess the Diesel & Sid wins in 1996 & 1997 were a big deal tho...

 

[R=G]

The first match in TX....Tha fans cared. The second one...crowd was deader in Arizona. So the rematch shyt had a limit. Which was reflected in buy rates when a Rock hosted WM 27 blew WM 25 and 26 numbers away.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Crowds are much tougher than these days than 1990 and those days where it wasn't cynical. Only thing that got Taker booed in recent years is,when they has that poll on Raw showing Punk vs Taker winning a poll vote against Rock vs Austin WM 17.Crowd booed that hard but Taker has been protected so much, fans are conditioned to boo against any face he faces.

i understand that taker is a legend and that fans were very invested in the streak, but I can't see them turning on an up and coming fan favorite just because he challenged taker at mania. if anything it might have added a layer of intrigue because the outcome might not have been so predictable. you could believe that taker could be beat if it meant solidifying the next big thing.

the thing with brock is nobody believed he was going to win heading into it. maybe of he had been booked like he is NOW, it might have made for a more glorious finish. like if he had come in and beat cena, and beat hhh TWICE... and he was really being built as this unstoppable monster... then his victory at mania might have been met with more awe and amazement. instead everyone was just dazed and confused.

 

[R=G]

Yes..clearly politicans like Cena and Cripple H just butchered the Lesnar/Taker possibility. Crowd SHOULD OF BEEN RED HOT for that match had Lesnar stayed undefeated since coming back but with Vince and Cripple being so out of touch, they fukked it up. Big time. It ended in apathy, shock, and fans racing for the exits.

But then again...Brock vs Taker was never supposed to happen anyway. It was supposed to be Rock/Brock II.

 

[Chris Cool]

Wrestle mania gonna be worse than the the rumble.

 

[Truth200]

Yes..clearly politicans like Cena and Cripple H just butchered the Lesnar/Taker possibility. Crowd SHOULD OF BEEN RED HOT for that match had Lesnar stayed undefeated since coming back but with Vince and Cripple being so out of touch, they fukked it up. Big time. It ended in apathy, shock, and fans racing for the exits.

But then again...Brock vs Taker was never supposed to happen anyway. It was supposed to be Rock/Brock II.

WWE should just let Brock go over Reigns at Mania to set up a Brock vs Rock at WM 32 in Texas.

Maybe Brock will return the job Rock did for him at SummerSlam 2002.

 

[Chris Cool]

Wrestle mania gonna be worse than the the rumble. The crowd about to kill these nikkas.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

wow not for nothing, if these stories are true and brock really does pull out before mania for whatever reason... or puts them in a position where they have to call a last minute audible...

... do yall realize just how fukked they are??


moving forward they have:

- no credible superstars
- no credible championships
- no more drawing part timers
- no big money matchups


only guy even capable of making new stars is cena. no one is ever gonna get to that next level without going through him first. and we all know that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

and mania season is more often than not their busiest and most happening time of the year. be prepared for an entire years worth of filler material and forgettable television.

i really don't know how they could salvage this.