Until Black Americans have their own nation, we'll always be second class citizens...

[BmoreGorilla]

We have been defeated. We never even been in the game. We'll never be in the game.

You gotta have more pride than that. I can only speak from a black male perspective but we need to do more to reach out to our kids. Too many don't have positive male role models and as a result keep falling into the traps set up by the establishment. Too may aren't exposed to anything positive, have low self esteem, and are afraid of success. If we all left we'd be doing the devils work for him. Id rather be a pain in his ass.

 

[Malta]

But that's like admitting defeat here.

There's no winning though, and sometimes admitting defeat is the best way to progress.

 

[Mowgli]

Get married

Stay married

Start a family

Raise strong children

Teach them their history

Ensure they excel in academics

Teach them to fight and repair things

Keep losers and homos away from your kids.

Watch the community rise.

 

[Birnin Zana]

Wasn't liberia created for American blacks who wanted to return to Africa

It was, but the black americans that came back pretty much brought parts of the white supremacist mentality they've experienced living in the USA (after all, the Liberian governing system is very similar to the American system, and Monrovia, Liberia's capital, is named after former President James Monroe, who cosigned the Liberia move).

In a nutshell, they took claim of the land, founded the nation, and rather than sharing power with the indigenous ppl, they've kept power for themselves. This caused a lot of resentment and many, many conflicts and civil wars since the 70-80s, one of which finally ended not long ago.

Back to the OP, I do agree 100%. I know many in the US will be reluctant, or even unwilling, to leave and either start a nation or assimilate to an appropriate African country. Like @Malik said, linking up is at least a start, cuz long term, you'll need backup internationally. Other non-whites have that. Black Americans don't.

This isn't to say that African nations shouldn't do their part however. Transparency, improvement of overall infrastructure, and opportunities for both the locals and those coming to the country should be clearly addressed for this to work, continent wide. Some countries are doing a better job than others though.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

There's no winning though, and sometimes admitting defeat is the best way to progress.

Its not that we cant be successful tho. Most of us wouldn't be on this site right now if not for some level of success. The problem is too many of us reach a certain level and forget where we came from. We should be teaching others how to get where we are. I know I do.

 

[Birnin Zana]

There's no winning though, and sometimes admitting defeat is the best way to progress.

Indeed. Sometimes, a tactical retreat is the best move.

 

[Greenstrings]

I don't find a problem with the voting system UNLESS we adopt the alternative vote:



You know who doesn't bytch about these things? The people it favors.

So your choice is to either say that you hate being on the losing end OR that you want to change the system to prevent it from making it possible for you to do this to others.


No system is perfect and I sincerely think the problems people list are overblown in lieu of the fact people don't like the outcomes.

CGP grey is great but cmon man that's entry level. A switch to AV wouldn't address scheduling trickery, gerrymandering and issues specific to individual state mechanisms. All electoral systems carry inherent flaws but the political, legislative and economic character that upholds these systems determines the extents to which they can be corrupted and manipulated. America is well behind most developed nations in their ability to mitigate this.

No modern system of government professing social mobility as an ideal has lived up to the wholesale, organic redistribution of power from where it is to where it isn't. To that end the notion that the privileged don't complain about their privilege is banal. Those with power don't cede it no matter what the underprivileged do. Most serious historians of civilizations and modern societies will tell you it's perfectly feasible that black people never achieve parity within American society as we know it. Not because of any flaws inherent to black people but because a 400 year handicap was not addressed and that ground cannot be made up.

The idea that the have-nots will ever be in a position to inflict their privilege on others is the snake-oil that keeps the American dream alight. That isn't an admission of defeat but it is a realistic appraisal of what black people face going forward.

Whether or not these problems are overblown they deserve to be talked about. And no shade to this place but if I were to have a serious conversation about how black people can use the political system to their benefit it wouldn't be on Sports, Hip hop and piff.

 

[Malta]

Its not that we cant be successful tho. Most of us wouldn't be on this site right now if not for some level of success. The problem is too many of us reach a certain level and forget where we came from. We should be teaching others how to get where we are. I know I do.

Why be a successful second class citizen though? The alternative is that you could potentially have a country backing your interests and looking out for people who look like you first.

That's not how capitalism works breh, a certain portion of the population will always have to be the doormat for it to function.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Why be a successful second class citizen though? The alternative is that you could potentially have a country backing your interests and looking out for people who look like you first.

That's not how capitalism works breh, a certain portion of the population will always have to be the doormat for it to function.

I realize that's how capitalism works. But there doesn't have to such disproportion within our community. Let all these immigrants coming here have at the doormat. What are yall doing to combat that shyt other than sitting on the coli complaining?

 

[Malta]

What are yall doing to combat that shyt other than sitting on the coli complaining?

I'm leaving within 5 years.


Also, the immigrants coming here will have a larger support base, by 2050 Hispanics (primarily Mexican) will account for 30% of the population while the Black community will maintain at 13%.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I'm leaving within 5 years.


Also, the immigrants coming here will have a larger support base, by 2050 Hispanics (primarily Mexican) will account for 30% of the population.

That's good if your leaving to spread your wings and reconnect with your ancestral home. But if your leaving cuz you feel beat down whats the difference from a dog with its tail between its legs

 

[Malta]

That's good if your leaving to spread your wings and reconnect with your ancestral home. But if your leaving cuz you feel beat down whats the difference from a dog with its tail between its legs

I'm leaving because this country sucks and it's not going to get any better, the entire middle class in this country is "beat" unfortunately for them they accept it.

Depends, I'll be the dog returning to MY wolfpack, you'll have to be the dog living with it's tail between it's leg content with 1 or 2 snacks here and there while your owner beats you.

 

[chkmeout]

That's good if your leaving to spread your wings and reconnect with your ancestral home. But if your leaving cuz you feel beat down whats the difference from a dog with its tail between its legs

Stop it nikka.

 

[FLYINHAWAIIAN]

Voting is good when the person running for whatever office actually has his/her constituents best interests at heart.


in other words, if black people want to actually get some real results through representation,

there needs to be more black politicians who are not a corrupt jackasses or docile or a c00ns



there's enough billionaires in Africa, to do this. The VAST majority of black billionaires are African(especially Nigerian).

there just needs to be more political transparency within these nations.
and more industry, refineries and manufacturing.

I highly disagree.
America not gone allow nobody up high in the government who's main focus is pro black.
You have to forget about "just focusing on one race" and care about everybody as a whole.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I'm leaving because this country sucks and it's not going to get any better, the entire middle class in this country is "beat" unfortunately for them they accept it.

Depends, I'll be the dog returning to MY wolfpack, you'll have to be the dog living with it's tail between it's leg content with 1 or 2 snacks here and there while your owner beats you.

That's cool you gotta do whats best for you and I wish you luck. Im not gonna let anybody beat me. Im relatively successful and I plan to stay here and help my people rather than leave them stranded