Undertaker Says These New nikkas is p*ssy, Product is Too Soft Nowadays

[Renzo]

Takers right.. AEW roster is shyt from top to bottom..Besides Reigns, Lashley and team black excellence, Bryan ..the WWE is total shyt as well.. they need to get rid of 90% of both rosters..

 

[Rell Lauren]

Man we say these dudes are lame and only play video games all the time


Why we acting like we don’t


I know a lot of it is Vince fault


But I gotta pretend these dudes are charismatic now just because of the messenger lol?

Right. We've said pretty much what Taker said down to the video games. These newer guys see things as a shot at them, but hit dogs will holler.

The roster is garbage. Very few stand out. Even when Vince gets behind them, they're generic as hell.

 

[Ace Money]

Undertaker hasn’t been a consistent presence in WWE’s locker room for like a decade, I don’t expect him to be in touch with or agree with the modern crowd like that. On top of that, nothing about his back in my day sentiment surprises me either, those guys are always glossing over the drug use that devastated the industry or the other personal problems that ruined their lives that came about from the business. Traveling around with a burner being a bad ass is cool until you’re still lugging around the same duffle bags for 30 years, still hanging on for extra paydays because your finances are shyt or you’re addicted to the spotlight.

 

[DANJ!]

I'll raise my hand and say I was one of guys that criticized the modern product/wrestlers for being lames in real life. I think there's an element of truth to it, but at the same time..... it's missing the point.

partying and drinking vs playing video games is a false dichotomy. One, I don't see how video games are any different than playing dominoes or cards, or whatever the fukk Taker did back in the day. Two, you've either creative or your not. Mick Foley, to my knowledge, never really drank or partied. Even Rock, I dunno how many stories there are of him out to the bars all night.... but no one can deny those guys were creative, interesting guys and their work reflected that. You don't need to be a big unhealthy, dead by 50 style drinker to have good ideas.

I do think the product sucks in comparison today. But it has nothing to do with the guys being soft, or gamers. It has everything to do with the lack of creativity, part of which is caused by Vince's excessive micromanagement.

edit: I will add that the "too pretty" comment he made is spot on. The show is way over produced and clean. Some grit to the actual look and feel of the show would go a long way.

But I don't even know if the only alternative to video games and being 'pretty' is "do drugs and get drunk"... if this were Bret Hart saying it, I feel like even he would say something's missing- not meaning drugs and alcohol, but you get the feeling that when the wrestlers back then got into the dressing room, they were about the show. They were about working on their promos, their characters, their matches. Bret might be an example of a guy who took it too seriously, but his circle definitely gave a fukk about their characters and their matches. I'd bet he'd even say his rivals, The Kliq also were involved about their characters and matches. Still, guys like Taker or Bret- they don't strike me as the types to understand what younger people enjoy doing now as opposed to how they used to do it, so the video game stuff probably does come off weird to them if it's as excessive as people say it is. It's definitely better than drugs and alcohol, but to them I guess it's nowhere near better than being in "wrestler mode" before it's time to go out and be wrestlers.

 

[ÆTHER]

Right. We've said pretty much what Taker said down to the video games. These newer guys see things as a shot at them, but hit dogs will holler.

The roster is garbage. Very few stand out. Even when Vince gets behind them, they're generic as hell.

And blaming Vince is a cop out because he has nothing to do with AEW, ROH or Impact and their rosters are filled to the brim with guys who all have the same limitations.

Guys are talking like these wrestlers just appeared out of a vacuum like we haven't been able to see them come up through the indies and smaller companies for years and see that they bring nothing to the table beyond moves now its Vince's fault? He can't take away something you don't have. 95% of these guys don't have it and you can see it everywhere.

ROH was the first of the companies filled with vanilla midget WWE Velocity tier guys having cold Velocity matches where they just show off moves that people swore was doing wrestling better and Vince didn't know what he's doing and that shyt is 19 years old in April. Guys have been on this path for almost 20 years and still can't see that this is bullshyt and nobody cares. 20 years. Guys have been advocating for this shyt and these guys for 20 years and when people point out its trash it's someone else's fault now?

In every other field when a company supposedly doesn't know what it's doing it gets knocked out and replaced by the smarter more innovative competitor. Companies far larger and for more pervasive than WWE could ever hope to be have been left in the dust and are footnotes in history because the people moved to what's hot and it didn't take them 2 decades to do so. If the shyt was hot the marks wouldn't be openly waiting for Vince to die, you take the crown. People would be tuning in en masse to see the alternatives that already cater to the marks if they had anything that would catch their eye. AEW is on TNT and has been on for a year, they have no excuse. People have always found a way to get to something if its worthwhile. If Vince was the only problem or even the main problem then the world would be flooding over to TNT.

This generation of guys is garbage everywhere inside and outside of WWE and whether its because of video games or whatever the fukk nobody (beyond the myopic marks) is interested in seeing this Jamie Noble and Kid Kash the Pitbulls tier generation of wrestlers.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

But I don't even know if the only alternative to video games and being 'pretty' is "do drugs and get drunk"... if this were Bret Hart saying it, I feel like even he would say something's missing- not meaning drugs and alcohol, but you get the feeling that when the wrestlers back then got into the dressing room, they were about the show. They were about working on their promos, their characters, their matches. Bret might be an example of a guy who took it too seriously, but his circle definitely gave a fukk about their characters and their matches. I'd bet he'd even say his rivals, The Kliq also were involved about their characters and matches. Still, guys like Taker or Bret- they don't strike me as the types to understand what younger people enjoy doing now as opposed to how they used to do it, so the video game stuff probably does come off weird to them if it's as excessive as people say it is. It's definitely better than drugs and alcohol, but to them I guess it's nowhere near better than being in "wrestler mode" before it's time to go out and be wrestlers.

This 100%.

Takers biggest problem was the execution of his points. But reading between the lines what he is saying has merit to it. Like you said previously eras guys would talk ask questions get feedback etc etc. From what Taker is attempting to say the talent is more interested in playing on consoles than the talking about the craft.

Also people of a certain age view games consoles as a kids/teen sort of thing to do and it's something you grow out of.

 

[CM_Burns]

He's right, so many wrestlers now just seem like fans excited to do what they love watching and not actual characters with some mystique.

Less drugs/roids/psychos in wrestling makes for better quality of life for wrestlers but the show is less interesting to fans, which is why wrestling is less and less popular.

It's a double edged sword, guys are healthier now and less likely to get arrested but do you watch for the Rusevs and Xavier Woods or for the New Jack and Ultimate Warriors?

 

[RammerJammer]

He's right, so many wrestlers now just seem like fans excited to do what they love watching and not actual characters with some mystique.

Less drugs/roids/psychos in wrestling makes for better quality of life for wrestlers but the show is less interesting to fans, which is why wrestling is less and less popular.

It's a double edged sword, guys are healthier now and less likely to get arrested but do you watch for the Rusevs and Xavier Woods or for the New Jack and Ultimate Warriors?

The lack of wrestlers doing drugs/alcohol is not hurting the quality of pro wrestling, NFL cleaned the game up and it's still as popular as ever.

 

[julesocean]

The respectful sub.

 

[julesocean]

I've changed my stance over the years on "all the new dudes are just fans" stance.

Hogan stanned Billy Graham hard, Flair stanned Buddy Rogers. They both talk about them like marks in interviews.

It's just that social media allows this fandom from current gen wrestlers to be seen much more. Pulling the curtain back too much, ruining the image that a wrestler should be about their own image and ego more than giving props to others..

As for the guys being nerds and playing video games in the locker room and shyt.... That's not just wrestling, but just how the world evolved. All young athletes in all sports leagues playing them shyts in their hotel rooms too.

Like Creed's youtube is obviously a huge hit and income source for him, but boy does it bury him as a wrestler, and pigeon hole his gimmick as a gaming geek.

A good example of someone who gets the mystique, and commitment to gimmick and using social media the right way is MJF. He could be a huge gaming nerd, and that would kill his gimmick, but he never let us know that.

 

[GOAT]

Based on Taker's track record I wouldn't be surprised if the thread title is an actual quote

 

[Rollie Forbes]

 

[DANJ!]

Still tryin' to figure out when in the interview Taker said shyt about "doing drugs"...

 

[Vice Queen]

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

I mean, he's right to an extent

A big part of the reason wrestling's lame now is that these nikkaz are flippy geeks doing video game moves like the Spanish Fly & Canadian Destroyer and focused on "workrate" and being pretty rather than perpetuating wrestling as what it's supposed to be. A simulation of realistic violence

I just don't buy these guys as having real malice, I'm sorry

Even guys like Keith Lee & Braun Stroman aren't scary.

Who would you be more afraid of New Jack or Keith Lee?

I mean, Keith Lee would fukk you up, but he'd like stop at some point and lecture you.

New Jack would actually kill your ass and then piss on you after


It is good that guys are healthier and living longer, but it has been a trade off.

And I know what 'Taker's saying is real because it's one of my biggest pet peeves with AEW & Impact too.

All these nikkaz are just clowns these days.

You got Miro feuding with fukking dudes over video games and shyt.

And he's one of the few guys who looks & sounds menacing, but then you hear what he's talking about and it's like

So, yeah Vince is out of touch and a racist and a genuinely horrible human being who should've been cancelled a long time ago, but guys these days are corny as fukk too.

It's the same with Hip-Hop too. We traded DMX, Pac, and 50 Cent for Drake

Same thing with the NBA with all these overly sensitive nikkaz like KD & Kyrie

This is just a soft ass generation in general, b.