Undertaker Says These New nikkas is p*ssy, Product is Too Soft Nowadays

[SpacelySprockets]

how would you react if it was you walking into the locker room and seeing sonny kiss

@FS4LFE he took your gimmick

 

[Rell Lauren]

I've changed my stance over the years on "all the new dudes are just fans" stance.

Hogan stanned Billy Graham hard, Flair stanned Buddy Rogers. They both talk about them like marks in interviews.

It's just that social media allows this fandom from current gen wrestlers to be seen much more. Pulling the curtain back too much, ruining the image that a wrestler should be about their own image and ego more than giving props to others..

As for the guys being nerds and playing video games in the locker room and shyt.... That's not just wrestling, but just how the world evolved. All young athletes in all sports leagues playing them shyts in their hotel rooms too.

Like Creed's youtube is obviously a huge hit and income source for him, but boy does it bury him as a wrestler, and pigeon hole his gimmick as a gaming geek.

A good example of someone who gets the mystique, and commitment to gimmick and using social media the right way is MJF. He could be a huge gaming nerd, and that would kill his gimmick, but he never let us know that.

Wrestling and the NBA are two different things. Wrestling depends on kayfabe and mystique to carry characters and the brand. It's why pro wrestling in general is suffering. Kayfabe is dead and this generation of wrestler killed it. Macho Man would stay in character on Arsenio Hall.

 

[Mʀ2ᴋDᴇᴇᴢ]

I just want folks to find that dog in them, like a said breh it’s not just WWE but the game in general. I’m not advocating drug usage because some of my favorites died due to their habits playing a part. Maybe it’s just some are growing out of it and making excuses instead of just realizing it’s not for us anymore. There’s talent most definitely, I keep up primarily thru dirt sheets & when I do catch a PPV I check for certain individuals. Most of yall are right that there’s only so much talent can due micromanagement but alot of talent are complacent once they get that one push then fall back into obscurity. Guys like HHH kept grinding to achieve what he did in his career (yeah, he married Steph eventually but HHH from 95 was different from 97 HHH then in 2000 elevated his career to greater heights by staying driven). I don’t know man, so many different factors that affect the business now so can blame it only on one entity.

Like the breh @The Amerikkkan Idol said it’s not even just wrestling, it’s just society in general.

Just my personal opinion

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

But locker room hazing cool tho right?

Of course not. At this point, the whole business is a fukking mess and I am treated it like its a 4 ring circus.

While I despite how wrestlers got down back in the days, lets not pretend these new age wrestlers weren't put on the Summer Jam screen last summer...

 

[Zero]

But locker room hazing cool tho right?

It is depending on who's doing it

 

[Reality Check]

The excessive drug use and partying

This is why the lockers rooms are the way they are today. Too many specials including a series dedicated just to wrestling tragedies. This generation of wrestlers have seen the effects of prior ones and learned their lessons. Especially given the lack of options out compared to the territory days.

So it’s the wrestler’s fault the current product has no edge?

Not the twenty five soap writers they have coming up with shyt before it gets torn up and rewritten by 75 year old Vince?

Was Roman saying sufferin succotash a talent issue or creative issue?

Guess this slipped Undertaker's mind as well. WWE has stifled creativity with the excessive amount of scripting plus Vince/Bruce Prichard coming up with their own shyt ideas to execute.[/QUOTE]

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Of course not. At this point, the whole business is a fukking mess and I am treated it like its a 4 ring circus.

While I despite how wrestlers got down back in the days, lets not pretend these new age wrestlers weren't put on the Summer Jam screen last summer...

Right, like a lot of indy locker rooms are still a shytshow. WWE cleaned their shyt up because of sponsors but still have these nikkas running their bodies into the ground.

 

[supertrekker]

@FS4LFE he took your gimmick

 

[supertrekker]

Right, like a lot of indy locker rooms are still a shytshow. WWE cleaned their shyt up because of sponsors but still have these nikkas running their bodies into the ground.

They run their bodies into the ground because they do countless high spots. If they wrestled like wrestlers of the past they would have less injuries.

 

[Cartier Murphy]

He's not wrong in saying the product is soft or that younger guys not having the opportunity to "learn" how to work different stuff in their respective style has hurt the ring work of the younger generation.

But the blame in those cases is with the company AND the older wrestlers, not the new guys.

The manly man is just some retarded shyt he says without even putting much thought behind it after decades being in the wrestling bubble.



I don't think anyone can question that. But the shoulder of the blame for that specific issue isn't on the wrestlers.

Just to bounce off what you said, I think if he never uttered that crusty old guy shyt and had just said what was in the OP about the fall off of the business in an on screen sense, he wouldn’t have received as much backlash and would’ve found more people, myself included, agreeing with him. But knocking the culture and hobbies of these guys because they’re playing games and focus on looking presentable instead of partying or whatever he believes is the more manly alternatives are is where people took exception and rightly so and in turn is where he lost people.

It’s a cosmetic business and has widely been so since Vince’s expansion took over back in the day, and Taker isn’t the first guy to make a criticism of these guys for that so I don’t really get the talking point people like him bring up. These guys today get heat for just about anything but especially about appearance. As a matter of fact, this is the same guy who allegedly buried CM
Punk and ended his World title reign ten years ago for not dressing like a champion so for him to then turn around and act like the modern era is too image conscious when it’s an environment and cycle he directly helped foster and perpetuate is some bullshyt.
The video game thing everyone has already mobbed on but if it’s keeping everyone out of trouble, helping them generate solid side income, helping them connect with their fans and build their brands (and by extension the company’s) then it’s a dumb point by him, especially when if it’s such a lackluster hobby, Vince wouldn’t have just muscled in on his talent’s Twitch money. Perpetuating this outlaw image of days past hasn’t made let’s say, Alberto Del Rio, anymore charismatic or interesting as a performer if he even bothers showing up to whatever show he’s booked on. And I’m sure all the multi generational talent in these locker rooms aren’t so eager to make the same mistakes their ancestors did.
There’s been a massive generational divide in the US and it’s extremely apparent in moments like this, and it’s evident it permeates through the WWE as a whole.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

They run their bodies into the ground because they do countless high spots. If they wrestled like wrestlers of the past they would have less injuries.

Thus, why they need 2 gazillion writers for a simple fukking promo because majority of the wrestlers nowadays can't cut shyt to save their lives. Look at the indies , most of the wrestlers still cutting that "edgy" high vocal shyt and not moving the crowd.

Even though the wrestling around the past was 9 times out of 10 a snoozefest, this welcomes character development. Something that seems really hard to do in this era of wrestler for some sort of crazy reason

Why can't there be a perfect middle ground for high impact wrestling and proper storytelling with good character development

 

[jwinfield]

Kayfabe is dead and this generation of wrestler killed it.

 

[Buzzed Lightyear]

Did he say anything about Shawn Michaels prancing around like an offbeat stripper, posing in gay magazines, & kissing Triple H in the mouth on live TV?

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

He buried many good points with one idiotic quotable. This dude obviously still hasn't caught on to non kayfabe life. He's embarrassing himself out here. Absolutely no media training.

 

[Tanahashi Coates]

He also said don't bring those California ethics to Texas