UFC 199 [6/4]: "To Live & Die In L.A." (Rockhold/Bisping II, Cruz/Faber III, Holloway/Lamas, & More)

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Prime Silva ain't struggling with no prime Weidman...Silva stopped most of CW's takedown attempts...a somewhat past his prime Silva fought stupid and got caught in the 1st fight and was even more past it in the rematch and lost on kick check...it's clearly a legit stoppage but that sh!t is too rare. What if Silva's leg didn't break right there? Weidman couldn't take Silva down at will and even a weathered Silva is still dangerous. And Sonnen wasn't trash. He had a short but prosperous prime where he beat an in-prime perrenial threat Yushin Okami, dominated an in-prime Marquardt, had a close win against future champ Bisping and took the G.O.A.T. to the brink in their 1st match and dominated the first round in the 2nd match. PED usage should be questioned with Sonnen but it goes back to what I typed about Lombard earlier. And in in-prime Silva struggled more with Sonnen's takedowns than he did later on against Weidman's b/c Sonnen was fast. CW's too slow for 2010-2011 Silva...it's all opinion, tho.

 

[curz]

Yushin Okami was never a threat

Shows how shyt the division was back then when they were feeding guys like him and Demain Maia coming off a 1 fight win streak to Silva so he could get highlight finishes

 

[Master Teacher]

Yushin Okami was never a threat

Shows how shyt the division was back then when they were feeding guys like him and Demain Maia coming off a 1 fight win streak to Silva so he could get highlight finishes

Sherdog currently has Okami ranked number 9 in the world lmao.

And Weidman fought two old guys in Machida and Silva, and Munoz who lost to Okami lmao.

Damien Maia is trash now lol

just admit the UFC and MMA is garbage, you would make more sense if you said that

 

[curz]

Sherdog currently has Okami ranked number 9 in the world lmao.

And Weidman fought two old guys in Machida and Silva, and Munoz who lost to Okami lmao.

Damien Maia is trash now lol

just admit the UFC and MMA is garbage, you would make more sense if you said that

who follows sherdogs rankings :Laff:

Could care less who Weidmans fought, silva and machida could be 50 and I'd still pick em
Over yushin okami.

Maia got knocked dead by Marquadt then won 1 fight. He had no business in there with Silva, period.

Take your bum ass to bed

 

[Master Teacher]

who follows sherdogs rankings :Laff:

Could care less who Weidmans fought, silva and machida could be 50 and I'd still pick em
Over yushin okami.

Maia got knocked dead by Marquadt then won 1 fight. He had no business in there with Silva, period.

Take your bum ass to bed

Okami beat Marquardt, Silva already beat the top guys.

UFC only has 3 guys in each division, that has always been the case lmao.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

Bunch of idiots. The reason Silva can't win 10 fights present day isn't because the division was weak, it's because the sport has evolved. Prime Royce couldn't tap half of his divisions top 10 present day because everyone now knows BJJ. Same with Silva, he came at a time when strikers just weren't that technically sound and would bull rush in, Silva changed that and now everyone focus on footwork and counter punching, picking shots. What makes these sort of guys special is that they are 'breakthroughs" they force the sport to evolve rather than just being a regular fighter.

 

[Roman Brady]

Bunch of idiots. The reason Silva can't win 10 fights present day isn't because the division was weak, it's because the sport has evolved. Prime Royce couldn't tap half of his divisions top 10 present day because everyone now knows BJJ. Same with Silva, he came at a time when strikers just weren't that technically sound and would bull rush in, Silva changed that and now everyone focus on footwork and counter punching, picking shots. What makes these sort of guys special is that they are 'breakthroughs" they force the sport to evolve rather than just being a regular fighter.

No, there is a fundamental difference between what Royce did and what Silva did. America didn't know jujitsu for shyt so Royce had a leg up on the competition once they were educated the game was up. Silva won most of his fights primarily with striking are you trying to say striking has evolved exponentially in the last decade? Come off it... Fact is there is enough tape out there on him when you are the best it comes with the territory coupled with carelessness and father time he was due to fall off especially because he hit his prime late.

 

[Triangularbirds]

fukk why was Rockhold so cocky coming into the fight didn't he learn anything from mcG coming out with his hands down ?
His striking was good, he was obviously winning that fight had he kept his hands up.

Bisping won't last long as the champ, he's more level-headed but he isn't nearly as skilled as Luke is.

Faber got severely outclassed, all these bantamweights better study and train against that kind of movement if they want to get that belt.

Holloway Lamas was , Holloway's distance management is too good, he's got good combinations, too much 1-2's tho.

He's really smart in the octagon tho, smarter than some dues with a lot more experience.

Hendo Lombard, I didn't expect Hendo to win at all but he caught Lombard with that elbow. Pretty unorthodox KO there, but Hendo's showing he still has that fighting spirit at 45.

Lombard got to show a bit of his judo when he hip-tossed Henderson as he rushed to him, that looked pretty good.

Poirier Green, Man I knew Green was about to get outclassed striking-wise when they showed his "shadow-boxing" on that locker-room cam.

None of his strikes seemed powerful and he was still clowning and talking like he's got some Nate Diaz hands.


That card was really good

 

[ChatGPT-5]

No, there is a fundamental difference between what Royce did and what Silva did. America didn't know jujitsu for shyt so Royce had a leg up on the competition once they were educated the game was up. Silva won most of his fights primarily with striking are you trying to say striking has evolved exponentially in the last decade? Come off it... Fact is there is enough tape out there on him when you are the best it comes with the territory coupled with carelessness and father time he was due to fall off especially because he hit his prime late.

There is a tendency in mixed martial arts to start the stuff that is so common in boxing: 'pfft... a prime [insert champion from ten years ago] would mop up in this division'. In boxing and kickboxing, that's a less dangerous way to think because those sports have been around so long and the meta does not shift all that often. But MMA is a very young and volatile sport which provides a tremendous amount of freedom in approaches. Mixed martial arts has changed more in the last four years on a tactical level than boxing has in the century. The value of an uncommon knowledge is so tremendously strong in mixed martial arts, the entire sport was built around it!

We look back at Royce Gracie and it is safe to say that he would not have stood a chance against any modern mixed martial artist within thirty pounds of his weight. Guys know jiu jitsu now, they know how to stop the sloppy takedowns he utilized, they know how to smother the meat and potatoes set ups he used from his guard. But Royce Gracie brought an idea to the fore—the clinch was going to happen and if it did, you better know how to deal with him on the ground.

Bringing a new weapon to the table, or new value to an under appreciated one, can carry a fighter's career. Think of Chuck Liddell's wall walk. Think of the rise of snap kicks and side kicks which is currently going on. Well, Anderson Silva was like that. He benefited from the tremendous undervaluing of lateral movement and retreat in mixed martial arts at the time—particularly in the cage where the corners are so shallow.

The other great principle he brought to the front of the stage was counter striking. It had existed in MMA up to that point, of course, but Anderson Silva recognized that the state of striking technique and strategy was so sloppy in MMA that he could invite blows and hit opponents as they dropped their hands and over-extended. Combine that movement with counter striking and you had a man who broke the mold of the MMA striker. Counter punching and fighting on the retreat, rather than while advancing, went hand-in-hand and Silva was able to mitigate the threat of takedowns with movement rather than in the traditional and extremely tiring style of striking in MMA at the time—move forward hitting hard, sprawl hard when challenged with a takedown attempt.

But think back to every phenomenal counterpunch that Silva ever landed. They were the result of undisciplined opponents, lunging in face first. The legendary Forrest Griffin knockout came as Griffin ran onto punches time and time again—never recovering from his blows, never moving his head, always being a target whose hands were never at home.

Rebuilding the Web: Anderson Silva's Shot at Redemption | FIGHTLAND

 

[Roman Brady]

Rebuilding the Web: Anderson Silva's Shot at Redemption | FIGHTLAND

I ain't reading all that but if you think fighters have only just learnt how to strike properly that is just nuts

 

[ChatGPT-5]

I ain't reading all that but if you think fighters have only just learnt how to strike properly that is just nuts

No one said that. And I think Jack Slack has far more expertise in striking than you do.

 

[ViShawn]

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[Big Jo]

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Cliff notes? Anything said that was particularly interesting?

 

[notPsychosiz]

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[notPsychosiz]

thinking about buying a $100 ticket but my section would be next to this section . i would have to watch the monitor the whole time but the experience may be worth it. should i do it? Im guessing the octagon will be in the H. IF i knew for sure that I could temporarily move up just for the prelims since it won't be packed that early, then i will do it

I was gonna drop 300 on a ticket for the UFC 145 (Jonesvs Evans)... but the week I was gonna buy my ticket they fired Chandella (the black ring card girl, and one of the first 2 ring card girls in the company).

Kept my money right in my pocket and never paid for a UFC ppv since then. I watch all their shyt for free now.
They'll never see my money again til they diversify.

They used the black chick to build their brand then fired her and hired a bunch of blondes.
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I'm good.