U.S. Drone Strike Said to Have Killed Ayman al-Zawahri, Top Qaeda Leader

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He goes way back with the Haqqani. The Taliban were backed and supported by them. shyt they basically did most of the heavy lifting for them. If they won’t deny what they want, regardless of what they say publicly.
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Do you think the Taliban will bring Haqqani to justice for harboring Zawahri and violating the Doha Agreement?

Also do think the Taliban will bring to justice the fighters who killed innocent Afghan citizens during the conflict?
 

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I understand. Thank you

Do you think the Taliban will bring Haqqani to justice for harboring Zawahri and violating the Doha Agreement?

Also do think the Taliban will bring to justice the fighters who killed innocent Afghan citizens during the conflict?

The Taliban weren’t ever or ever will be strong enough to take on the Haqqani. It’s the Pakistani “Taliban” and an unofficial contract military extension of the ISI. Many of them are related through Pashtun heritage. It’s where they got their supplies, weapons, and funding from. It’s also where they hid during OEF, to build their force numbers back up.

The haqqani are also vastly more skilled than the Afghan Taliban fighters. It was mostly errant fire, occasional fukk ups from our forces, local conflict, and the Taliban/Haqqani themselves killing Afghan citizens. The Taliban/Haqqani made it a point to attack locals daily.

I’ve mentioned before how the locals generally liked us being there because they were free to do regular shyt we take for granted. They were sometimes overzealous when dealing with Taliban and Haqqani guys they caught, even without us being involved. A village hit one of our platoon’s MRAP’s with a small IED to attract a bigger US presence to discourage Taliban or Haqqani fighters from passing through and/or staging at relative’s homes.

The Khost police and Army bases got hit almost as much as ours. They attacked local patrols as much as they did ours. We supported each other all the time. If a VBIED drove into one of their bases we would respond to help and medevac. If they heard us in contact they would rush to help. The locals overwhelmed the hotline to report IED’s and suspected Taliban doing their thing.

The locals all over didn’t mind the US being there much, aside from some provinces/towns that genuinely didn’t like any outsiders, and places that were difficult to keep the Haqqani out of and the Taliban from coordinating.
 
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@88m3 also the Taliban is basically a cartel. They traffic weapons, humans, and drugs. All that shyt they talk about being a govt. is just talk. Religion comes second. They just want their open air markets and cash flow back. They need to be able to control the population and dozens of other ethnicities, that don’t like them, to do all that. Afghanistan is pretty much where it was before 9/11.

It was probably THEM who sold out Al-Zawahiri lol. They would never admit it or the Haqqani family might fukk them up BAD.
 

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He goes way back with the Haqqani. The Taliban were backed and supported by them. shyt they basically did most of the heavy lifting for them. If they won’t deny what they want, regardless of what they say publicly.
This odd why I’m pretty sure it was the ISI or the Haqqanis themselves who sold buddy out. Clean slate.
 

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This odd why I’m pretty sure it was the ISI or the Haqqanis themselves who sold buddy out. Clean slate.

I figured it was the opposite. The Taliban themselves have no reason to really care about him. And they don’t want any smoke with outsiders, as they’re relatively weak. I don’t think the ISI like having him around either though, so it would make sense.

There’s always been a weird balance. The ISI kept the Haqqani/Pakistani taliban around to sic them on India, if need be. The Pakistani Army also regularly fights the haqqani in N. Waziristan because they attack Pakistani targets sometimes. The people in eastern Afghanistan and west Pakistan are related so the Taliban/haqqani work with each other a lot, but the the Afghan Taliban are like a send off subsidiary at times.
 

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I figured it was the opposite. The Taliban themselves have no reason to really care about him. And they don’t want any smoke with outsiders, as they’re relatively weak. I don’t think the ISI like having him around either though, so it would make sense.

There’s always been a weird balance. The ISI kept the Haqqani/Pakistani taliban around to sic them on India, if need be. The Pakistani Army also regularly fights the haqqani in N. Waziristan because they attack Pakistani targets sometimes. The people in eastern Afghanistan and west Pakistan are related so the Taliban/haqqani work with each other a lot, but the the Afghan Taliban are like a send off subsidiary at times.
I wonder how the taliban is gonna treat China. There was stories of increasing attacks on Chinese workers in Afghanistan
 

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Dudes out here recording tapes and sending press releases for their terror exploits and my bleeding heart liberal thinks the issue is we lacked jurisprudence?

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I'm done before I starting assuming you're just synpsthizing with the Terrorist.
Y’all really be going back and forth with these nikkas and I can only salute from the sidelines. I ain’t got the time no more
 

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You remind me of this article that came out some years ago, from a study of the impact the first few years of really ramped-up done attacks were having.




"An interview with a typical mother is as good a place to begin as any. She described what happens when her family hears an American drone hovering somewhere overhead. "Because of the terror, we shut our eyes, hide under our scarves, put our hands over our ears," she told her interviewer. Asked why, she said, "Why would we not be scared?" Said a father of three from a different family unit, "drones are always on my mind. It makes it difficult to sleep. They are like a mosquito. Even when you don't see them, you can hear them, you know they are there."

Said a day laborer, "I can't sleep at night because when the drones are there ... I hear them making that sound, that noise. The drones are all over my brain, I can't sleep. When I hear the drones making that drone sound, I just turn on the light and sit there looking at the light. Whenever the drones are hovering over us, it just makes me so scared." Added a politician, people "often complain that they wake up in the middle of the night screaming because they are hallucinating about drones."

Would you have nightmares if they flew over your house?

"When children hear the drones, they get really scared, and they can hear them all the time so they're always fearful that the drone is going to attack them," an unidentified man reported. "Because of the noise, we're psychologically disturbed, women, men, and children. ... Twenty-four hours, a person is in stress and there is pain in his head." A journalists who photographs drone strike craters agreed that children are perpetually terrorized. "If you bang a door," Noor Behram said, "they'll scream and drop like something bad is going to happen." Do your kids?

The terrified parents react there as they would here. Many pull their kids out of school, fearing they'll be killed by drones if they congregate in big groups. Kids make the same decision for themselves: "The children are crying and they don't go to school," says Ismail Hussain. "They fear that their schools will be targeted by the drones."

Faheem Qureshi is still just a teenager.

Back in 2009, he was the sole survivor of the first drone strike that President Obama ordered. He was "one of the top four students in his class before the drone strike fractured his skull and nearly blinded him," the report states. He's struggled ever since. "Our minds have been diverted from studying. We cannot learn things because we are always in fear of the drones hovering over us, and it really scares the small kids who go to school," he told his interviewer. "At the time the drone struck, I had to take exams, but I couldn't take exams after that because it weakened my brain. I couldn't learn things, and it affected me emotionally. My mind was so badly affected."

Of course, it isn't just parents and children who are affected.

Safdar Dawar, who leads an organization of tribal journalists, gave a superb description of what life is like for every innocent person in North Waziristan: "If I am walking in the market, I have this fear that maybe the person walking next to me is going to be a target of the drone. If I'm shopping, I'm really careful and scared. If I'm standing on the road and there is a car parked next to me, I never know if that is going to be the target. Maybe they will target the car in front of me or behind me. Even in mosques, if we're praying, we're worried that maybe one person who is standing with us praying is wanted. So, wherever we are, we have this fear of drones."

Said Fahad Mirza, "We can't go to the markets. We can't drive cars. When they're hovering over us, we're all scared. One thinks they'll drop it on our house, and another thinks it'll be on our house, so we run out of our houses." Some refuse to leave their houses. Funerals are sparsely attended. Friends no longer visit one another's homes. Yet no one ever feels safe anyway."



Just fukking terrifying.

In the beginning the plan was for the Us to clear the Afghan side of taliban and Pakistan to clear the tribal reservations in North Waziristan. The ISI/Pakistan wanted to keep the Taliban/Haqqani around, so it became a game of whack a mole for more than a decade.

Every now and then Pakistan would talk too slick or make a half assed move to show they were still a US ally. The Haqqani would get mad and attack random spots around Pakistan. The Pakistan Army would move in to fight and eventually there would be a ceasefire. They were never going to clear out the Taliban on their side. It’s eventually why we left them to themselves. The killing of Bin Laden was kind of a “fukk you lil bish” to Pakistan to show we didn’t trust them but could hit what we want or they could figure out who they like more. Initially they let the Haqqani do whatever they wanted so the violence went up on the Afghan side, but shortly afterwards there was a big Pakistani push back into North Waziristan.

A lot of the strikes had the Pakistani’s observing and directing on the ground while US drones or Pakistan’s aircraft dropped ordinance.

It’s further complicated because the Haqqani fighters and resting Taliban are amongst family and communities that support them. These people don’t often leave their side but the strikes fukk up their movements and money. The province I was in (Khost/Khowst) was right across the border from N. Waziristan. The combination of strikes on their side and ground operations on our side greatly reduced their capability on our side. The money was fukked up so bad that a lot of the Afghan Taliban were straight up quiting.

Their bombs got weaker and some of the more complex weapons stopped showing up. They couldn’t afford to constantly use large VBIED’s on us or the local populace. They had to be careful and even then they would fukk it up and detonate too early or get caught. They couldn’t afford to pay fighters to attack in masse very often, or afford to import specialists like Chechens.

Now that the ISI doesn’t have to pretend Pakistan is back to trimming the fat and fighting in the tribal territory again.
 

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In the beginning the plan was for the Us to clear the Afghan side of taliban and Pakistan to clear the tribal reservations in North Waziristan. The ISI/Pakistan wanted to keep the Taliban/Haqqani around, so it became a game of whack a mole for more than a decade.

Every now and then Pakistan would talk too slick or make a half assed move to show they were still a US ally. The Haqqani would get mad and attack random spots around Pakistan. The Pakistan Army would move in to fight and eventually there would be a ceasefire. They were never going to clear out the Taliban on their side. It’s eventually why we left them to themselves. The killing of Bin Laden was kind of a “fukk you lil bish” to Pakistan to show we didn’t trust them but could hit what we want or they could figure out who they like more. Initially they let the Haqqani do whatever they wanted so the violence went up on the Afghan side, but shortly afterwards there was a big Pakistani push back into North Waziristan.

A lot of the strikes had the Pakistani’s observing and directing on the ground while US drones or Pakistan’s aircraft dropped ordinance.

It’s further complicated because the Haqqani fighters and resting Taliban are amongst family and communities that support them. These people don’t often leave their side but the strikes fukk up their movements and money. The province I was in (Khost/Khowst) was right across the border from N. Waziristan. The combination of strikes on their side and ground operations on our side greatly reduced their capability on our side. The money was fukked up so bad that a lot of the Afghan Taliban were straight up quiting.

Their bombs got weaker and some of the more complex weapons stopped showing up. They couldn’t afford to constantly use large VBIED’s on us or the local populace. They had to be careful and even then they would fukk it up and detonate too early or get caught. They couldn’t afford to pay fighters to attack in masse very often, or afford to import specialists like Chechens.

Now that the ISI doesn’t have to pretend Pakistan is back to trimming the fat and fighting in the tribal territory again.
I notice you don't mention Iran at all. Why's that?
 

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I notice you don't mention Iran at all. Why's that?

Iran is another beast. Though their are many Afghans of Persian descent and culture, Iran is more influential to Iraq’s story than Afghanistan. They despised the Taliban their dope running. They don’t show them any mercy at the border. There was a popular video of them shooting taliban smugglers, until they caught on fire, that was floating around. Iran worked with the Mahdi army in Iraq to perfect and field EFP’s while the Sunni’s were still using regular IED and throwing/dropping anti tank grenades. The tools to conceptualize and use EFP’s showed up here and there in Afghanistan but didn’t become a regular thing. Who they choose to hide is part of their own cloak and dagger shyt and likely in relation to Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and Israel.
 
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