Tutor reveals Ivy-admissions madness of rich penthouse parents

[Depreciating Asset]

Want to add something new to the discussion.

There is some strong evidence that many low-income students are not getting into elite institutions simply because they are not applying.

They have the grades and test scores to gain admittance but they are discouraged because

(1) they think elite institutions are too expensive
(2) they receive poor guidance from high school guidance counselors
(3) they would rather attend an institution close to home

So valid points about studying harder or AA have been made but there's more to the story.

Here is an article referencing the study: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/education/scholarly-poor-often-overlook-better-colleges.html?_r=1&

 

[yoyoyo1]

I think it depends on what you want in life. If you are trying to get $$$$ at brand name companies/firms, elite schools offer a direct path into that life. After studying at one of these schools I see how they attract all the top recruiters that pay the most out of school. Then when students from this school get into the top law firms, consulting firms, etc they go back and pull more and more people from the elite school. And then basically everyone else is shut out.

I know a talented white male who applied to a top consulting firm. They took one look at the schools on this guy's resume and said, "You really think you have a chance to work here coming from that undergrad institution. Dream on." This is how it is.

most definitely

personally I don't want to do any of that office life stuff, but plenty of people I know, their paths have correlated with the educational institution they attended. the hood person that went to a cuny and thought it was good they went to college, but regular cuny means fukk all thus they will never be respected like that , and those who went to private school and went to ivies or at least top colleges, who you see are doing successfully

If your undergrad school makes or breaks your success in life... You prob don't deserve success

what kind of shytty rap philosophy on life is this.

you can easily tell those that have experience in these matters and people like this who are in denial or make excuses.

 

[yoyoyo1]

I've always wondered what it would be like attending a school like that. Would you say these students are 'smarter' or just have the right tutors and schooling? And what are you studying too?

students arent smarter. smaller class sizes, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better teachers and better atmosphere

Do you know how easy it is to get a job out of Yale, Havard, or Princeton? Not only are there deep networks set up but employers will trip over themselves trying to recruit you.

The dude with a 4.0 from Drexel is getting passed over by the Harvard grad 99% of the time dude

yale medieval dance major would get the job over a drexel 4.0 million reference perfect candidate etc etc

some guy doing his own thing with a worthless major makes friends that end up at a billion dollar hedge fund and when he gets tired he can just go 'what up', get a hand and get in there easily

 

[88m3]

Want to add something new to the discussion.

There is some strong evidence that many low-income students are not getting into elite institutions simply because they are not applying.

They have the grades and test scores to gain admittance but they are discouraged because

(1) they think elite institutions are too expensive
(2) they receive poor guidance from high school guidance counselors
(3) they would rather attend an institution close to home

So valid points about studying harder or AA have been made but there's more to the story.

Here is an article referencing the study: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/education/scholarly-poor-often-overlook-better-colleges.html?_r=1&

Yeah, bro.

I got a free ride through Yale Med.

I couldn't afford to eat and clothe myself, so I had to drop out.

Due to me coming from an underprivileged background I didn't have the financial support, nor the ability to maintain a job and study at the same time. It was really disappointing to fail. I didn't only let myself down but my family, friends, culture, and community.

 

[theworldismine13]

Yeah, bro.

I got a free ride through Yale Med.

I couldn't afford to eat and clothe myself, so I had to drop out.

Due to me coming from an underprivileged background I didn't have the financial support, nor the ability to maintain a job and study at the same time. It was really disappointing to fail. I didn't only let myself down but my family, friends, culture, and community.

 

[john goodman]

you can easily tell those that have experience in these matters and people like this who are in denial or make excuses.

Lol if you say so

I went to a state school... Now work with and deal with ivy leaguers everyday.. It's not a big deal ... At some point you have to man up and build a life yourself b..

 

[superunknown23]

Just another form of AA for white people, besides the "good-ol boy system"
How do you think a doofus like George W Bush got into Yale?

 

[Suicide King]

Just another form of AA for white people, besides the "good-ol boy system"
How do you think a doofus like George W Bush got into Yale?

Cool story bro.

students arent smarter. smaller class sizes, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better teachers and better atmosphere

yale medieval dance major would get the job over a drexel 4.0 million reference perfect candidate etc etc

some guy doing his own thing with a worthless major makes friends that end up at a billion dollar hedge fund and when he gets tired he can just go 'what up', get a hand and get in there easily

Most Ivy Leaguers get liberal arts degree. Its very hard to get into the the undergraduate programs in the college of science, college of buisness, college of engineering, college of fine arts, etc....

 

[Normalcy]

Something...Something...Meaty

 

[ogc163]

OP sonned the hell out of himself. this is an excellent argument for socialism.[/quote

 

[Walt]

I was a dean of admissions at one of the top colleges in the nation, and I assure you that a lot of you are talking out of your ass about shyt you haven't the faintest idea about.

 

[88m3]

I was a dean of admissions at one of the top colleges in the nation, and I assure you that a lot of you are talking out of your ass about shyt you haven't the faintest idea about.

You must've missed my post Walt.

 

[Walt]

You must've missed my post Walt.

Nah, not at all fam. I didn't say every post in this thread was uninformed, I said a lot are.

 

[yoyoyo1]

yeah, you're all wrong and i'm right TOO.

edit: he followed up, taking back my mocking post

 

[Walt]

How many of you know what a "tip" is in the committee process? Or what the committee process is?The extent of the development office's role in the process? The correlation between wealth and SAT scores that has been validated over and over and over? The way race and affirmative action has been used as a divisive red herring to distract from the fact - yes, THE FACT - that our elite institutions of higher learning have become little more than rubber-stampers for the privileged? And that the process eats brilliant middle class and lower-middle-class white kids up and spits them out? That there is a rarely-discussed and blatantly obvious bias against women at many of the best schools in the nation? How many of you have the slightest idea of how applications are read and evaluated? The different ways that elite, private high schools have developed to manipulate the admissions process for their students? The way this has all dovetailed with the U.S. News and World Report rankings throughout the years? How many of you know about the objective study commissioned by one of the top liberal arts institutions (which leans right) that showed the admissions process is obviously skewed toward the wealthy though not the best students? That the same study showed clearly a poor kid with a nearly full ride still incurs more costs in the long run and makes less money in the long run than the bulk of families that pay full tuition? How many of you know the real purpose early decision served (and in some cases continues to serve) at many elite institutions? How lower level athletics serves as a warped affirmative action for unqualified, wealthy white men above all else? How one decision at one particular school due to special interest can lead to 5 different people being unfairly included or excluded from the freshman class?

I'm not asking any of those to be snarky, condescending, or to play high post and snooty - I'm asking because I think it's bizarre and borderline depressing to read so many people reduce an extremely complex issue to such a simplistic one. There are so many different things at work in this process. People tend to argue "sides," as if this is a debate between who the best 3rd baseman of all time is, or whether the Yankees are a more successful franchise than the Lakers. There are no sides. Truth isn't a "side." If you come to the table wanting to validate your belief that wealthy white people are handed everything, you'll probably find selective evidence to buoy your belief; if you think black people don't study enough and that's the reason they struggle to gain entry into the best schools, you can find selective evidence to support that too. But none of that is really relevant or true. The truth about our social structures and our college admissions process and about class and race and power and manipulation of data and processes is far more complicated and at many turns far more sinister than you'd imagine.