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Stop acting like Shawn had altruistic intentions with Hunter. If he cared so much about the future, then he wouldn't have done everything he could to help Hunter kill The Rock off in his early days. He just wanted his friend along for the ride.

Triple H said himself ON HIS OWN fukkING DVD that Austin wouldn't put him over. Every time the question is brought up to people from that era they tend to dodge around that question, and Austin working Hunter two months later doesn't prove anything because:

1. Austin's neck was completely shot and he had to go in for fusion surgery, so he wasn't going to win anyway.

2. It's not as if there weren't other cases where Austin refused to work a guy then worked him in some capacity. Austin refused to job to Brock Lesnar in 2002, then all but worked a program with Brock for his WrestleMania XX match with Goldberg. I get the sense that a lot of Austin's decisions regarding who he did and didn't want to work came down to timing and context.

And as for the results? I probably took a year longer than I would have to make the transition from WCW to WWF largely because I hated watching heel Triple H do anything. I largely didn't enjoy his matches (I'm literally watching 2000 Triple H right now work Foley and Jericho, and I feel nothing but apathy for Hunter. Not even hatred a la 2002-2005, just apathy), he took up an obscene amount of screentime to just talk and do nothing, and never at any point entertained me. Business was excellent in 2000 and he was top heel during that period: if you want to give him credit for that (though he was really just The Rock's opponent, given that it was Rock who set a major gate record in 2000), fine. Just know that he ALWAYS took a step back when real stars were around (Austin, Rock, Lesnar, Cena) because they all moved numbers far better than he did.

The point that while Hunter had his moments (yes, he had great matches and great segments, but they were few and far between), his legend is largely manufactured and a fabrication of endless WWE pushes and propaganda more than his own innate talent and the business he did. In many ways, Hunter is Chance the Rapper if he were a wrestler who floated between "deeply mediocre" and "pretty good" for most of his career, as opposed to a rapper who was very good when he started out and absolutely fell off a cliff after a certain point.
Rock had to go make a movie after WM 18..what did they do? Took the belt off of Cripple H 30 days after he won it because they thought still had juice left following the icon match. But that didnt last either and they just gave it to Taker in the end till Rock came back.
 

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Rock had to go make a movie after WM 18..what did they do? Took the belt off of Cripple H 30 days after he won it because they thought still had juice left following the icon match. But that didnt last either and they just gave it to Taker in the end till Rock came back.


His heel title reign flopped in fall of 1999 as well. So they had to reboot him with DX and put him with stephanie and vince to get him over. He couldnt even main event mania 16 all alone as the heel. It was based on a mcmahon in every corner. Lmaooo. And with austin foley taker all leaving in the fall. There was noone left except the rock so they had no choice but to use HHH .shyt Until Angle developed then they had benoit jericho get hot and then taker and austin returned....hhh never saw the world title again until 2002 his big return where he flopped again and they put it on fukkin hogan and taker until.rock got it back.

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His heel title reign flopped in fall of 1999 as well. So they had to reboot him with DX and put him with stephanie and vince to get him over. He couldnt even main event mania 16 all alone as the heel. It was based on a mcmahon in every corner. Lmaooo. And with austin foley taker all leaving in the fall. There was noone left except the rock so they had no choice but to use HHH .shyt Until Angle developed then they had benoit jericho get hot and then taker and austin returned....hhh never saw the world title again until 2002 his big return where he flopped again and they put it on fukkin hogan and taker until.rock got it back.

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I remember being surprised that he dropped the Undisputed belt so fast.
 

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His heel title reign flopped in fall of 1999 as well. So they had to reboot him with DX and put him with stephanie and vince to get him over. He couldnt even main event mania 16 all alone as the heel. It was based on a mcmahon in every corner. Lmaooo. And with austin foley taker all leaving in the fall. There was noone left except the rock so they had no choice but to use HHH .shyt Until Angle developed then they had benoit jericho get hot and then taker and austin returned....hhh never saw the world title again until 2002 his big return where he flopped again and they put it on fukkin hogan and taker until.rock got it back.

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Triple H in WWF and Jeff Jarrett in WCW were basically the same thing in 2000. But by that point, one company was good, the other company was shyt. That’s the biggest difference between the two.
 

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Somebody in some thread said watching WCW from 99-01 is like watching a friend slowly dying from drugs. I’m revisiting the PPVs and I already feel that way halfway through 98.

Hitman going from being the best wrestler in the world 6 months ago to meandering around from one listless awful angle to another, can’t even remember if he’s heel or face from one month to the next. They got HitGOAT wrestling for the TV title??? :mindblown:

Sting is in the NWO. I repeat STING IS IN THE NWO. Wasn’t he this mythological hero franchise of WCW that just took the gold back from the NWO? Now he’s in it...as a face? :dahell: I know it’s the red wolfpac, yeah ok. It’s still the NWO. Wtf was the point?

Wolfpac was corny and cringey as fukk. That’s what happens when you give a 7 foot tall 46 year old graying whigger increasing creative control. You get a bunch of other 40 year old white guys and a Mexican named K-Dog to form a gang and come out to some Kid Frost b-side knockoff entrance theme.

Roddy Piper’s old grandad bod ass still in main events.

The legendary GOATness of Chris Jericho being relegated to midcard cruiserweight status.

The undercards still got some heat though. :ehh: Looking back at it now, I’ll take an Ultimo Dragon match over any of these main events.

I haven’t even got post-fingerpoke of doom and the Russo era yet. Lord help me. :snoop:
 
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Yeah the company being completely rudderless was pretty clear by mid 1998 for sure, really I think immediately after Starrcade. Like...the Nitro after Starrcade, everything they had been building to was botched and they had no follow up plans. The shytty NWO break up was so meandering and uninteresting and stupid and also went nowhere. They lucked into Goldberg blowing up and even then he was barely on TV after winning the title.
 

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Somebody in some thread said watching WCW from 99-01 is like watching a friend slowly dying from drugs. I’m revisiting the PPVs and I already feel that way halfway through 98.

Hitman going from being the best wrestler in the world 6 months ago to meandering around from one listless awful angle to another, can’t even remember if he’s heel or face from one month to the next. They got HitGOAT wrestling for the TV title??? :mindblown:

Sting is in the NWO. I repeat STING IS IN THE NWO. Wasn’t he this mythological hero franchise of WCW that just took the gold back from the NWO? Now he’s in it...as a face? :dahell: I know it’s the red wolfpac, yeah ok. It’s still the NWO. Wtf was the point?

Wolfpac was corny and cringey as fukk. That’s what happens when you give a 7 foot tall 46 year old graying whigger increasing creative control. You get a bunch of other 40 year old white guys and a Mexican named K-Dog to form a gang and come out to some Kid Frost b-side knockoff entrance theme.

Roddy Piper’s old grandad bod ass still in main events.

The legendary GOATness of Chris Jericho being relegated to midcard cruiserweight status.

The undercards still got some heat though. :ehh: Looking back at it now, I’ll take an Ultimo Dragon match over any of these main events.

I haven’t even got post-fingerpoke of doom and the Russo era yet. Lord help me. :snoop:


Even wen they attempted to do good
Like bret as world champ
Or booker t
It was surrounded by garbage like jeff jarrett and nwo 5.0 or russo and david arquette
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Bret came in the hottest dude in the business, fresh off the most controversial event in wrestling history up to that point, the undefeated WWF Champion....and it was 2 years before he won the WCW Championship and then he did a month long bullshyt swerve for an NWO reunion and then got concussed and retired :mjlol:

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Bret came in the hottest dude in the business, fresh off the most controversial event in wrestling history up to that point, the undefeated WWF Champion....and it was 2 years before he won the WCW Championship and then he did a month long bullshyt swerve for an NWO reunion and then got concussed and retired :mjlol:

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There was so much that could’ve been done with Bret with an ounce of creative booking! They had dynamite on their hands and didn’t know what to do with it. The screwjob was the talk of the business. He had some bad blood with Hoegan dating back to Hoegan not wanting to put him over on his way out of the WWF. Hall and Nash were part of the kliq aligned with his arch-nemesis opponent in the screwjob, and Hart cut promos about running them out of the WWF just a couple of months ago. So there was drama galore and all type of worked shoot type opportunities, but he needed to be thrust in the main event picture immediately...not be a fukking referee.
 

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There was so much that could’ve been done with Bret with an ounce of creative booking! They had dynamite on their hands and didn’t know what to do with it. The screwjob was the talk of the business. He had some bad blood with Hoegan dating back to Hoegan not wanting to put him over on his way out of the WWF. Hall and Nash were part of the kliq aligned with his arch-nemesis opponent in the screwjob, and Hart cut promos about running them out of the WWF just a couple of months ago. So there was drama galore and all type of worked shoot type opportunities, but he needed to be thrust in the main event picture immediately...not be a fukking referee.



"Thats not gonna work for me...brother"

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That effectively ended Macho's career :francis: Caused the knee injury that he worked on through June of 1998 and finally got surgery and came back juiced to the t*ts with the terrible 1999 run and that was it beyond a couple of random house shows and NJ match against Rick Steiner in 2000 as a last second replacement for Goldberg.
 

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Gonna try to watch all the Nitros during this quarantine even tho I hate not having all the original music. I’m at the tail end of 95 now watching Eddie vs Flair:banderas:

Eddie been hitting home runs every fukking show. I’ve always preferred Flair’s crazy late 90s promos over his 80s ones for the most part. I used to think he was washed in the ring at this point but he was just as Naitch as ever. Goats gonna goat.
 

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Eddie's push at the start of Nitro is really great but one week they just drop it and never get back to it :wow:


Also, he and Benoit were absolutely killing each other with backdrops and powerbombs trying to show out :picard:
 
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