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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1091907/000109190713000015/exhibit1017bookingagreement.htm

Stephanie Mcmahon's WWE contract, she just signed it October 7th this year

She only makes 325,00 a year (I'm saying only like I wouldn't kill all my second cousins for that money)

And here's Triple H's contract

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1091907/000120677412000891/exhibit10-6.htm

He makes 1 Million a year. Holla

so that's on top of the 2.9m he makes as COO :banderas:

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=WWE
 
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note: The NAWR began charting the records of WWE and TNA male wrestlers on 11/15/06, [CMLL added 7/30/11, ROH added 9/29/11, WWC added on 6/16/12, LYC added on 7/8/12, IWRG added 3/17/13]. Anything BEFORE those dates are not reflected in these records.

WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS:
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C. Randy Orton* 174-79-49 +3155 WWE WWE Champ [10/27/13]
C. John Cena* 145-47-46 +2819 WWE World Champ [10/27/13]


:banderas: face of the wwe
 

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WWE owes fans of Daniel Bryan better resolution to his quest to regain WWE Title he won clean from John Cena at SSlam and never lost under fair circumstances

I believe pro wrestling as an entertainment genre is at its strongest and most entertaining (and therefore most profitable) when the product makes sense to viewers and seems as realistic is as possible with minimal tradeoffs for that realism.

Obviously, if wrestlers punched each other for real, the product would be more real, but the tradeoff would be a bunch of swollen faces and injured (ugly) wrestlers. Wrestling would be “more real” if everyone used their real names, I suppose, but what’s the point of that? Stage names are common in rock music and Hollywood, so there’s no harm there. Wrestling would be “more real” if everyone did “shoot-style promos” about “their push” and “backstage polities,” but really, who wants to listen to people bytching about office politics; people get enough of that during the day at their by Supreme Savings">jobs . (Yes, Punk’s Summer 2011 promo is highly regarded, but it only worked because it was the exception to the rule, and an argument can be made he boosted himself at the expense of everyone else “playing by the rules” that are necessary to sustain a storyline-driven weekly TV series.)

There are plenty of ways, though, to make wrestling seem “more real” (i.e. more like it would be if what we were watching was a real sport where the toughest, most skilled, most deserving competitors rose to the top, and where wins and losses dictated who moved up or down the rankings; UFC isn’t perfect in this regard, but it is a model for WWE to follow in terms of the sport that, at its core, it’s more emulating or simulating.)

One of the vital, non-negotiable core aspects of pro wrestling working is wrestlers selling. When they are slammed or suplexed or twisted or punched, they sell. They don’t sell because they think viewers think they are really hurt and that pro wrestling is real. They sell because it makes the simulated fights more enjoyable because you can suspend your disbelief more easily the more the wrestlers make their staged fights look real. It’s the same reason Hollywood movie studios spend top dollar to make special effects more realistic. They don’t do it because people see a Spiderman movie and actually believe Spiderman is real and he can climb buildings. But Hollywood knows the more realistic they make it, the more immersive an experience it is for viewers looking for a fantasy world to escape to for two hours.

Wrestlers work really hard to make their matches as realistic as possible without taking away from the dramatic amazing highspots and fast-paced action that pro wrestling can guarantee that UFC cannot. It would be nice, as a courtesy to the wrestlers if for no other reason, to make the booking as realistic as possible also. We could list more than a dozen glaring logic holes that WWE’s creative team - led by Vince McMahon and heavily steered and overseen by Triple H - carelessly, unprofessionally, lazily let slip through in this seemingly make-it-up-as-they-go Big Show-Triple H/Stephanie McMahon storylines. One of the biggest violations of any dedication to creating a realistic sports-like environment within the boundaries of the WWE Universe is Daniel Bryan’s title quest.

Bryan beat John Cena clean at SummerSlam to win the WWE Championship. Since then Bryan pinned Orton at Night of Champions (but was stripped the next day due a false accusation he conspired to cheat with the referee), Bryan fought Orton to a no contest when Big Show walked out and KO’d Bryan and then Orton, and Bryan got pinned by Orton after referee Shawn Michaels superkicked Bryan.

Bryan, by any reasonable assessment, deserves a title shot at some point before Survivor Series. Big Show, the least sympathetic babyface character I can remember (he’s selfishly interfered in WWE Title matches, punched innocent people including a 67 year old Dusty Rhodes, cried over and over when confronted with his fiscal irresponsibility, and only grew a set after he had a lawyer on his side throwing around threats of a lawsuit), leveraged his way into what should be Bryan’s title shot.

I get that Bryan has had four PPV title shots in a row, but since he was screwed in each of them and has yet to lose in any credible way to Orton, WWE cannot just pretend that Bryan is no longer the top contender and move him to another feud. They need Bryan to address this matter. Every Bryan fan watched Raw this week and was thinking that he was getting screwed over by being ousted from the World Title shot at Survivor Series because Big Show hired a good lawyer and, without beating anybody in a contendership match, leveraged his way to a title shot.

If WWE wants wrestling matches that are used to fill time on Raw to matter, for viewers to care enough to watch them, one of the reasons viewers can be conditioned to care is that the outcomes have ramifications on the rankings and future title opportunities. In at least a macro sense, there has to be a sense of fairness. If fans are conditioned to believe that title shots are handed out by a devious, evil, awful family who run the WWE empire, overseen by a Board that only gets involved when there’s a legal threat of some kind, what’s the point of cheering on their next favorite wrestler to win if that win doesn’t ever lead to a fair shot at earning a championship.

This might seem unimportant to Vince, Stephanie, Hunter, and Kevin Dunn, but if they talked to their fans about what they invest in when they watch their by Supreme Savings">program , whether they could articulate their thoughts about this particular subject specifically, there’d be a vague notion at the very least that all fans have that they watch more for the simulated sports aspect of what WWE presents than they do to hear Michael Cole, Jerry Lawler, and JBL banter about pop culture and history or to hear Cena make lame jokes taken from “Back to the Future.”

WWE needs to give Bryan, one way or another, the title shot he deserves, on Raw one of the next couple of weeks. Or they need to promise him a shot at the winner of the Orton vs. Show match at Survivor Series. They can’t just drop this and move on. It’s lazy, irresponsible, shoddy TV writing. It doesn’t cost WWE any by Supreme Savings">money to have a greater attention to this type of detail. It’s vital for the entire pro wrestling genre, as a form of serial entertainment, to work. The wrestlers work hard to make their matches both realistic and exciting. It’d be easier on them if wrestlers stopped caring and pretended fans didn’t care if their moves looked more fake or they never sold punches or slams. But they do, and they pay a physical price to tell their story in the ring as realistically as possible. Even though fans "know it's fake," wrestling works best when pro wrestlers do all they can within reason to hide that fact during the actual matches.

So the least Triple H, Dunn, Steph, and Vince could do in return is make sure they and their Creative team put in a little extra mental effort to close those loopholes and address these gaping logic holes in their storytelling. It matters. It’s good for by Supreme Savings">business to care, and bad for business not to. And there’s absolutely zero downside to putting in the mental energy to make sure their storylines make sense and that fans who invest in situations such as Bryan’s quest for a title get a satisfactory reward. Bryan getting pinned by Orton next week on Raw in a title match would be more satisfying and respectful to Bryan fans than pretending that he got enough title chances and it’s time to move on. Especially since the guy they’re moving on to doesn’t deserve the shot, basically bought it with a lawsuit threat, and is even stealing Bryan’s “Yes! Yes” chant while Bryan is shuffled over to the mid-card with a feud with the Wyatt Family.

Fans have a reason to be disgusted with WWE’s lack of respect for their faith in telling a story with a reasonable, satisfying, logical beginning, middle, and end.
 

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I did wonder when they were gonna start capatalising on all those pro female bodybuilders out there at the moment. Doesn't quite fit the 'diva' image though, does it? I'd much rather they'd sign some more athletic type women as opposed to dancers and models, though. Trish was a fitness model and look at the GOAT women's matches she had.
 

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Million Dollar Man...

http://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/...Sr-on-Introducing-Taker-Working-For-Bischoff/

His experience with WCW: "WCW started basically buying talent created by Vince McMahon because that's what they did with Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and myself and gave us contracts. My contract wasn't as good as theirs because when I went there I wasn't a wrestler anymore, if I had been wrestling I might have had a million dollar contract, but I was a manager by then.

"I guess what I'm trying to say is that Eric Bischoff doesn't know that much about wrestling. This guy was selling meat out the back of a truck and became a ring announcer for Verne Gagne and I've always wondered how he ever got a job. I guess he's got a pretty good line of bulls--t, he used to boast that he was going to run Vince out of business and then Vince not only ran him out of business but he ended up working for Vince.

"Eric took credit for the NWO but that wasn't his idea, the NWO had already been done in Japan, so they had copied something that had already been done. It was a good idea, but originally I was supposed to be the mouth piece of the NWO and reality is I think Eric saw how it was getting over and he saw how he could put himself in the role that he had hired me for. As each week went by pretty soon Eric isn't the announcer anymore, he becomes part of the NWO and I just went to him one day and told him I'm not just going to walk out there and be Hulk Hogans' Virgil, you hired me to be the spokesperson for this, so if that's not what I'm going to do you can send me home. The reason I said that was because they had to pay me one way or the other, because I had a contract where they had to pay me for three years.

"The biggest angle in wrestling wasn't so much the NWO takeover of WCW, it was the battle between the WWF and WCW. Both companies got the largest ratings they had ever had, we were doing better rating than Monday Night Football at the time, but it just was not well run. We could be going on the air for a live TV show and they still hadn't decided what they were going to do for the last segment of the show."

I always wondered why they brought DiBiase in and then he got phased out of the spotlight fairly quick and seemed like a background player. Dude would just walk out of limos cackling but never really did or said anything. That face manager run was an awful fit for him.
 

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I always hated that the phased DiBiase out as the money man and mouthpiece for the Sycophant Bischoff character.
 
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