Trump’s Next Coup Attempt has Already Begun
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1. Yeah, I was waiting for strong persuasive arguments showing that the current state of administrative/election law was under threat and it never came. The election law part of the essay showed that Trump could not bully local and state Republican's to the point necessary to undermine election results. And his subsequent actions while relevant lead me to conclude he would likely fail again.
In addition, the "independent state legislature doctrine" while dangerous in theory, is also from a legal standpoint laughably weak (like most of Trump's team's arguments) and likely won't gain support from the USSC even with the current conservative majority.
But, that is not to excuse or justify the actions taken by Trump or imply that the status quo is ideal, however the evidence provided here does not warrant the strong notion that democracy is at great risk byway of Trump's legal arguments.
2. Douthat's criticism lines up with mine:
One year later, Douthat looked back. In scores of lawsuits, “a variety of conservative lawyers delivered laughable arguments to skeptical judges and were ultimately swatted down,” he wrote, and state election officials warded off Trump’s corrupt demands. My own article, Douthat wrote, had anticipated what Trump tried to do. “But at every level he was rebuffed, often embarrassingly, and by the end his plotting consisted of listening to charlatans and cranks proposing last-ditch ideas” that could never succeed.
Douthat also looked ahead, with guarded optimism, to the coming presidential election. There are risks of foul play, he wrote, but “Trump in 2024 will have none of the presidential powers, legal and practical, that he enjoyed in 2020 but failed to use effectively in any shape or form.” And “you can’t assess Trump’s potential to overturn an election from outside the Oval Office unless you acknowledge his inability to effectively employ the powers of that office when he had them.”
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
@mastermind isn’t wrong though.
MAGA is primarily a movement of racial/cultural/ethnic grievance, not economic anxiety.
Also, reaching out and appealing to poor whites as part of a voting coalition is still necessary.
Both things are true. The fact the insurrection was mostly middle age cacs, many of whom are middle class or even wealthy is all the more reason why Dems need to appeal to poor whites with domestic policies that would improve their lives.
mc_brew
#NotMyPresident
bull motherfukking shyt..... it will be great if trump gets reelected... he'll get rid of all those fascist (remember, the real fascists are the democrats) mask and vaccine mandates... covid is over... it's been over... we have a vaccine and people can take it or not... stupid dems, especially biden, don't understand that.... NO MORE MANDATES OF ANY KIND EVER.... we need trump back because believe me, there will be NO MANDATES OF ANY KIND under trump... biden is the real fascist stealing your freedoms and mine and he must be removed from office....
2022 and 2024 is going to be a slaughterhouse for democrats....
truebull motherfukking shyt..... it will be great if trump gets reelected... he'll get rid of all those fascist (remember, the real fascists are the democrats) mask and vaccine mandates... covid is over... it's been over... we have a vaccine and people can take it or not... stupid dems, especially biden, don't understand that.... NO MORE MANDATES OF ANY KIND EVER.... we need trump back because believe me, there will be NO MANDATES OF ANY KIND under trump... biden is the real fascist stealing your freedoms and mine and he must be removed from office....
2022 and 2024 is going to be a slaughterhouse for democrats....
republicans are leaving people the fukk alone, while democrats are choosing to try to control everyone. left wing bureaucrats LOVE the powers they gained with covid, and arent giving them up any time soonthe democrat state senators have given my soon to be ex-governor two years of emergency powers. two fukking years, with zero local input allowed. that's not democracy
that is fascism. imagine what you'd be saying if republicans gave trump two years of emergency powers 
of course, democrats could always just leave us the fukk alone too, and become a lot more competitive in 2022
you dont want that, though. you feel safer with the people in charge telling you when to hide under your bed
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the democrat state senators have given my soon to be ex-governor two years of emergency powers. two fukking years, with zero local input allowed. that's not democracy
of course, democrats could always just leave us the fukk alone too, and become a lot more competitive in 2022
Mask and vaccine mandates aren't fascism. That isn't what fascism is. Its authoritarian if anything. But so are many other aspects of our day to day lives that we don't complain about. Dems are following the advice of medical experts to mitigate the spread of a pandemic. And that advice doesn't conflate well with people's emotions. A virus doesn't give a fukk if you're tired of wearing a mask.
Btw, I would rather we follow the advice of medical experts and have mask/vaccine mandates than right wing religious zealots who've politicized the most basic of health measures (social distancing, masks, vaccines)
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so answer this question: if the elections were in january, would the democrats drop all the masks and restrictions tomorrow?
No. And it would be unwise to do so. Masks and restrictions aren't a political issue. Stop making it one. There are bigger fish to fry.
alright breh
im only speaking as the kind of voter the dems cant afford to lose. see you next year 
alright breh
Well if you're that fickle about doing something as simple as wearing a mask and taking a vaccine, perhaps you're not a voter worth appealing to.
Medical experts should decide how we overcome a once in a century pandemic not ignorant voters who have a warped sense of what freedom means.
or maybe dems can just ALL SAY THIS
I guess. If thats what the medical experts deem suitable at least.
it's what rational americans deem suitable
I guess. If thats what the medical experts deem suitable at least.
if you wanna win elections, act like democrats who win in purple states. not san francisco congressmen
it's what rational americans deem suitable
if you wanna win elections, act like democrats who win in purple states. not san francisco congressmen
Again you keep boiling this down to a political issue. Dems shouldn't have to neglect the advice of medical experts to win over stupid voters. COVID is a national health issue not a political issue. You should be grateful that we have a government thats still willing to dial back economic growth in favor of keeping people alive and safe. Instead you're arguing on behalf of billionaires who want to keep the economy in full swing to line their pockets in the middle of a fukking deadly pandemic. And at this point in the pandemic all Dems want is for ppl to wear masks and get vaccinated to prevent the economy from sliding again