Trump IMPEACHED by the US House; US Senate Trial Allows No New Witnesses & Acquits Trump

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Yeah. I know we’ve had our back and forth about air tight.

I understand wanting to be focused on Biden but this is a case that involves multiple people with multiple interest. So some of it won’t overlap unless you ask why.

Like why is Bill Barr who is investigating the Mueller Report and 2016 being roped into the Ukraine call with Rudy as Trump’s point men? 2016, Mueller, Biden, and Ukraine become connected.
because those a$$holes are more concerned with the moral failings of the country instead of crime and stuff.
 

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@Frank Grimes acts like the only real evidence would be we if had audio of trump saying -

"hello, president zelensky. i'm calling cuz i wanna make a deal with you. perhaps the best deal in the history of your country. trust me, many people say it'll be the greatest deal. the best kind of deal, really, that i can tell you. it's called a quid pro quo, okay? it works like this - i want you find some dirt on joe biden and his son. plus that dnc server that was hacked in 2016? send it to the media with a sticker that says "ukraine did it, NOT RUSHER!!!" on the side of it...and it better be a nice sticker. real sticky, real shiny, alright? you do that and then i give you that military money you need. the best part? it's all very legal and very cool, believe me. ok, let's make this happen...cuz if you don't, well, uh...you know vlad...so..."

everything else, he just hand waves away. and i'm not even sure that would be enough for him.
 

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@Frank Grimes acts like the only real evidence would be we if had audio of trump saying -

"hello, president zelensky. i'm calling cuz i wanna make a deal with you. perhaps the best deal in the history of your country. trust me, many people say it'll be the greatest deal. the best kind of deal, really, that i can tell you. it's called a quid pro quo, okay? it works like this - i want you find some dirt on joe biden and his son. plus that dnc server that was hacked in 2016? send it to the media with a sticker that says "ukraine did it, NOT RUSHER!!!" on the side of it...and it better be a nice sticker. real sticky, real shiny, alright? you do that and then i give you that military money you need. the best part? it's all very legal and very cool, believe me. ok, let's make this happen...cuz if you don't, well, uh...you know vlad...so..."

everything else, he just hand waves away. and i'm not even sure that would be enough for him.
What I'm looking for is evidence of a conversation where:

1)Trump tells one of his allies in 2019 that he's worried/nervous about Biden in 2020.
and/or
2)Saying the investigation into the Bidens will help him in 2020.
and/or
3)Ukraine doesn't get the military money unless they investigate the Bidens.

I'm not sure if we will get something like that because as Michael Cohen said, Trump talks in code because he thinks he's a mob boss and it's easier to claim plausible deniability.
 
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@Frank Grimes acts like the only real evidence would be we if had audio of trump saying -

"hello, president zelensky. i'm calling cuz i wanna make a deal with you. perhaps the best deal in the history of your country. trust me, many people say it'll be the greatest deal. the best kind of deal, really, that i can tell you. it's called a quid pro quo, okay? it works like this - i want you find some dirt on joe biden and his son. plus that dnc server that was hacked in 2016? send it to the media with a sticker that says "ukraine did it, NOT RUSHER!!!" on the side of it...and it better be a nice sticker. real sticky, real shiny, alright? you do that and then i give you that military money you need. the best part? it's all very legal and very cool, believe me. ok, let's make this happen...cuz if you don't, well, uh...you know vlad...so..."

everything else, he just hand waves away. and i'm not even sure that would be enough for him.


It wouldn't.

In that scenario Trump said it was legal. Grimey would cite Trump Jr. not being a target by Mueller because of ignorance of committing a crime while committing a crime. :troll:

Coming up with a scenario to force him to yield his faux cynicism is like beating Street Fighter 2 while getting all perfect victories on the hardest setting............with Zangief.
 

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In terms of piercing the Trump Administration’s stonewalling of Congress, Hill’s decision to appear on Monday, in defiance of White House demands, was crucial. Hill is the first former White House official to testify in the investigation—that she has done so without the White House going to court to stop her, her lawyer, Lee Wolosky, told me, means “the floodgates may have opened.” Wolosky and the White House counsel’s office exchanged a series of letters into the early-morning hours before Hill’s testimony, sparring over Trump’s assertion of executive privilege and refusal to participate in the impeachment inquiry. Wolosky wrote that Hill would testify anyway, and, essentially, called the White House’s bluff. The fact that Hill’s testimony went forward unchallenged “makes it much more difficult for them to hold back testimony of other White House officials, and certainly of former White House officials,” Wolosky said. “They can’t come back and say, ‘We want to go to court and try to litigate it.’ Any judge will say, ‘You waived your rights. You sat on your hands.’ ”

That struck me, she called their bluff and they folded. It's all bluster.
 

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Trump's hasty exit forced US troops to bomb their own base in 'an extreme worst-case scenario'

On Wednesday, US troops vacated the LaFarge Cement Factory base, which they shared with Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) fighters. The SDF fighters lit their area on fire and left, according to reports, and US troops threatened oncoming Turkish-backed forces with Apache helicopters and F-15E fighter aircraft in a show of force.

When that failed to stop the forces' advance, the US troops withdrew, and two F-15Es attacked the base in a "pre-planned" attempt to destroy munitions and other supplies inside and limit the "facility's military usefulness," according to Col. Myles B. Caggins, a spokesperson for Operation Inherent Resolve, the US's anti-ISIS operation.
 

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Wow. GOP @RepRooney says he thinks Pelosi "has a point" when she said that with Trump, all roads lead to Russia.

"I was skeptical of it like most Republicans were, but I gotta say this business about the Ukraine server ... tells me, what, are we trying to exculpate Russia?"
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Some striking comments from GOP Rep. @FrancisRooney, who just gaggled w/ reporters.

Says he was “shocked” by Mulvaney’s admission of a quid pro quo & says it could be a turning point in the Ukraine saga.

Also says it can’t be walked back, saying it’s “not an-etch a-sketch.”
10:43 - 18 Oct 2019
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