True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

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I felt that the workplace rift between the partners would have justified enough to the audience that there were no longer friends, especially if Rust thought Marty sold him out about investigating the missing kids.


word! there was enough already in place. Rust put Marty in a position to save his marriage.. save the girl.. save his children... save his job and keep his freedom yet he has the audacity to come at him on some you fukked up by throwing away some p*ssy after he just saved that SIDS case. Marty didn't have Rust's back on the serial/cover up shyt when Rust's instincts have been proven to be correct time and time again. there was already enough in place to justify a separation....
 

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this bytch said rust fukked her better than woody has since before they had kids, but that nikka rust nutted in like 10 seconds :laff:

She might be telling the truth when you looked at her face like :noah:, Rust might got her p*ssy wet that quick and hitting her spot, Chick can be :noah: in two minutes if you're hitting right.
 

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Just my opinion but I don't think his reaction was strong enough for it to be his daughter. I would have expected him to be 'enranged' if he was watching a video of his daughter getting raped. He looked more disgusted more than anything so I think it might be some random victims getting the bizness on that tape.


I agree. You see when Marty just blacked out after saw two girls and one of them is dead and killed the dude without arrest him and he and Rust had to lie to everybody, just cover for him.
 

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He didn't really open himself up at all. It was the anniversary of his daughter's death and he was an alcoholic who drank way too much that day. He only gave her an answer to her question.

Contrast that scene with the scene from yesterday. You have a character who is meticulous, intelligent and can supposedly read people very well.

But what makes you think, at the time of the sexual encounter, Rust is meticulous, intelligent and able to read people well? Thats why I pointed out him losing his job, him losing his g/f, him losing his best friend and him hitting the bottle again. This is not Rust from 1995.

The dialogue pieces the scene together perfectly: (I closed the video so I don't have the exact text right now)
Maggie- what are you doing in here?
Rust- I'm off the job
Maggie- you know what I mean. What are you doing in here? Why are you letting yourself go?
Rust- when I get advice from people, it usually sounds like their talking about themselves

Then right before she kisses him she says: be honest with me (aka give into your desires) *sex starts*

I mean, dude couldn't even say anything beside "get the fukk out" lol. He didn't sober up. He felt guilty.
 

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I think Russ murked tuttle and took some evidence from his crib. Martys slut daughter is prolly being turned out in one of them pics/vids recovered from Tuttles house. Marty's is gonna flip (judging from what he did to those 2 nikkas that ran a train on his daughter) and him and Russ are gonna turn up. They still gotta find the man with the scars whoever the fukk that is
 

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No.

Directors DO NOT film and show entire scenes for no reason. So why are you dismissing the fact that she went to a bar for a hook up before Rust? Don't you think the writer would've just written the scene as her driving STRAIGHT to Rusts if that was her plan all along. He's trying to show you how emotionally desperate she is. He's trying to build her character and walk you through her decision and you're ignoring it.

And, like i stated already, you're misquoting her. She never says she picked Rust to hurt Marty. She says:
Maggie: I'm sorry…you know…it wasn't you. Really I wasn't even sure I could do it. Seventeen years is a long time. You know I almost went with a stranger, a bar. I'm sorry Rust. He'll have to go you see, because this he won't live with.

You guys keep keying on her use of the word "this." She's not saying this as in, "me fukkn you." It doesn't hurt Marty for the singular fact that it's Rust. It hurts Marty because he's a possessive, arrogant, son of a bytch. And this has been shown, over, and over, and over since ep1. Marty is a control freak. I keep telling you guys this. Y'all keep viewing him as a father/detective, when he's STILL the all-american quarterback. He's still a frat boy at heart. He's a fake. He's no different that the politician or the preacher. He is a character that needs to be in control. Like most men, he's cool fukkn mad bytches, but once the girl he's with does the same thing, he gets over emotional and starts talking about respect. He's not a pimp. He's insecure as shyt. Someone else fukkn his wife is a shot to his ego. It would be for any man really.

I didn't dismiss her going to a bar before hand...I didnt harp on it cause we don't know what happened at the bar, they ended the scene...also, the bar scene and her going to rust's house didn't happen the same day......as for why they didn't show her going straight to rust's house, that probably wasn't her initial thoughts...she was hurt and all she was thinking was i'm hurt him back by cheating...she wasnt thinking it through, she was acting off impulse...that's why she went to the bar first and was gonna just fukk anyone....but after reflecting, she realized she didn't just want to get marty back, she wanted the marriage to be over, but she was too scared/too much of a coward to do it herself....she wanted marty to end it, and the only thing she could think of was fukking rust....cause she knew marty already compared himself to rust and felt some kinda way....

to continue that last point in regards to the 'this': that is the singular reason she fukked rust....she knew cheating with just anyone wouldn't force marty to leave, which is what became her objective....the fact she fukked rust would be the 1 thing that marty couldn't handle/live with...no way he could work it out with his wife and continue being rust's partner...think about that for a sec: working with the dude that fukked your wife and you know it....

i'm looking at the scene right this moment, and the first thing she says to rust when she walks in the door: 'he's doing it again, and I cant live with it'...which shows she wanted out the marriage, but she didn't have the balls to end it....and when she was going on about the 'this', she was talking about fukking rust...
 

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yeah that was her way out the marriage but she still WANTED THAT D.

yea, she probably did, but she was never gonna go for it...dumbass marty gave her the excuse/reason she needed to finally get it....she killed 2 birds with 1 stone in that 5 mins of fukking....
 

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In episode 1, Marty says to Rust, "Do you have a chapter in that book on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend that narrative to support it - prejudice yourself."

There are 2 main theories that highlight this:
- NOT thinking there was a 50/50 chance that Rust and Maggie would fukk
- Believing that Rust and/or Marty were working together against the detectives

I wanna focus on the sex scene because people are actively ignoring the evidence presented.

Let's hop out of the story for a second and just analyze basic man vs woman relations. Why do men have to explain to women, that men and women cannot be friends? Why won't women leave their man alone with their "friends?" Its not about being insecure. Its about not being naive. Its not about a lack of trust. Its about not having to depend on trust. As I said after the diner scene between Maggie and Rust:





@klutch2381 and @Type Username Here all focus on this episode as the stereotypical fall off of Rust because he "acts out of character." Well why didn't you guys think that when he opened himself up to Maggie at dinner in ep1? He's with Marty for months, and never delves into his personal life. But he decides to do so hours after meeting Maggie and the kids? How was THAT scene not lazy? Because you believe Rust letting his guard down about the death of his children makes him more masculine/complex than Rust letting his guard down to fukk Maggie…..

Everything about Rusts relationship with Marty and Maggie is "out of character." That's why he has nobody else in his life! Rust lets his guard down and dates Maggies friend because he trust the dynamic he has developed with Marty and Maggie. Rust mows Marty's lawn and chills with the family because he's finally comfortable somewhere. When Maggie suspects Marty of cheating, who does she call to confide in/figure out the truth? When Marty will not leave her job, who does Maggie call to diffuse the situation? Rust has always been Maggies way out of her marriage. She doesn't hide the fact that she thinks he's a better version of Marty either.

Now about that night: As @fillerguy has keenly noticed (though he's also wrong about the 100% out of character analysis), Rust has put up walls between himself and society. But not all have been by his own doing. That scene is not lazy and not out of character for multiple reasons:
- Rust has been working the 95 case again on his own time. It has ruined his relationship with his girlfriend and with his best friend Marty. This development means his mental state is already shaky.
- He quit his job. You remember what @Sensitive Blake Griffin said about Rust "programming" and not being able to commit suicide. You remember how Rust said because of his personality/life, he was made for the job. Well him quitting, in many ways, is his suicide. Think about how much he hated the people he worked with. Yet he kept coming back and dealing with the bullshyt.
- He's drinking again. Which brings us back to the dinner scene. Answer this question, why doesn't Rust drink anymore?

Last but not least, you guys keep quoting Maggie wrong. This is what she says at the end of the sex scene:
Rust: *stumbles back* what the fukk are you doing here
Maggie: I'm sorry…you know…it wasn't you. Really I wasn't even sure I could do it. Seventeen years is a long time. You know I almost went with a stranger, a bar. I'm sorry Rust. He'll have to go you see, because this he won't live with.
Rust: Get the fukk out of here
Maggie: This will hurt him. I'm sorry but thank you
Rust: Get the fukk out of here
Maggie: I'm - *reaches for hug*
Rust: Get the fukk out of here.

Translation:
- "It wasn't you" means,"I took advantage of you and forced myself on to you….you're not worse for this."
- The primary reason she fukked Rust was because she was incapable of fukkn anyone else. She's a mother of 2, who has been faithful and devoted to her husband for 17 years. She probably rationalized it by seeing herself as dirty and a whore by fukkn a stranger.

I rest my case.

Breh, I'm tired. I had a long ass day. I haven't even read like 95% of the posts in this thread that quoted me since I wrote what I wrote about Rust's character. I skimmed over yours because you tagged me. I'm sure there's some great rebuttals in here and at least we're delving into the crust of the characters. I'm probably not going to entertain y'all brehs on that level with back and forth banter, because there's no point in me trying to give y'all that work or vice versa. We are probably not going to agree. I've been formerly trained to "give work" and argue, recognize fallacies and foibles in arguments and all that jazz. I love it. But, I don't come on here for that, at all. I think my post count denotes that. I said my piece, I'm sure others have said theirs as well. I can live with that. :manny:. At the end of the day, y'all are my Coli brothers in arms, even when we disagree.



On another note, Marty might go off on some Liam Neeson Taken shyt if is daughter is what he's reacting too when Rust shows him whatever. You noticed he made sure he had the toolie with him when he left with Rust. :patrice:
 

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i still think the guy mowing the lawn in 95(remus from BE)is the spaghetti monster. might have some scars underneath that facial hair.

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edit: will put it in spoilers for precaution, though theres nothing in it that will ruin the last 2 episodes storywise.
just checked and saw hes in the next two episodes:ohhh:
 
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