True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

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explain this coincidence . 7 years later the picture in her bedroom is in the mental hospital where Rust visits? Yeah Maggie supplying the legal dope to these girls and cherry picking them for the cult .
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Now that is a good catch. I'm still not convinced she's in the cult, but who knows? That pic could also implicate Marty as well though...
 

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We ain't really talked about Preacher Theroit though. Remember when we thought he was in the cult? Do we still think that? He saw shyt and got spooked. It made him a drunk. I think he's good, but how can we explain off that inverted cross and yellow tie/mic? Maybe it was just a coincidence?...

Or maybe he got kicked out? He shoulda been questioned more for sure though
 

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Now that is a good catch. I'm still not convinced she's in the cult, but who knows? That pic could also implicate Marty as well though...
Nope Marty is a cop, she works in a hospital . Her friend that was with Rust is a head of a hospital . She moves with heavy rollers in her line of work . She could have been to hospitals all over the state recruiting and setting up her friends in high places.
 

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Nope Marty is a cop, she works in a hospital . Her friend that was with Rust is a head of a hospital . She moves with heavy rollers in her line of work . She could have been to hospitals all over the state recruiting and setting up her friends in high places.
:ohhh: This is very interesting....props
 

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The major plot hole in last night's episode was Rust visiting the girl in the mental health center. He decides to finally ask her if anyone else is involved in the kidnapping ring and she drops a huge clue during the visit.

Really? After all these years not a single person has asked her that question? Not even True Detective super genius Rust? That was a bit of a stretch for me. Otherwise a great show, but the writers didn't think that one through enough unless we are to assume case closed/no questions asked once they murked Reggie...

there was no reason to ask that question...all signs pointed to it only being reggie and the other cat being the only ones involved...rust mind didnt get going on the case again until ole boy in the jail mentioned the yellow king...
 

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What do you esteemed detectives think abut this tweet from nic (creator/writer)? He links an article.



What do you think about what the article says and Nic's endorsing(?) of it?

A summary of what the article goes into detail on:

I've been saying this since the quote from Pizzolatto:

Did you know from the beginning how Season One would end?

I knew what the last scene was. I wasn’t entirely sure how we were going to get ourselves there, but I knew what it was. And if the last scene had to change because the characters revealed something to me, then it would change. But actually the last scene is the last scene that was always intended to be.

I’ve enjoyed reading people theorize about what’s going to happen because it’s a sign that you’re connecting. But I’m also sort of surprised by how far afield they’re getting. Like, why do you think we’re tricking you? It’s because you’ve been abused as an audience for more than 20 years. The show’s not trying to outsmart you. And really if you pay attention… if someone watches the first episode and really listens, it tells you 85 percent of the story of the first six episodes.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-mind-of-true-detective-s-nic-pizzolatto.html

People are so used to cliche, hollow storytelling that it's all they expect. Shows where the journey is secondary to the destination. You wanna know why there are so many posts in this thread on some "I called it!:gladbron:" shyt: because Pizzolatto isn't trying to hide anything. He's not going for some retarded twist or angle. He's fleshing out these characters and the world they live in. He's using a detective story as an interesting canvas to paint a portrait of his views on life. Cats are dissapointed with this episode because it doesn't give them an opportunity to point out some utterly pointless bullshyt like a star in the background of a shot to further a ridiculous theory. And to be honest I love that that's the case. I wish there were more shows like this and Mad Men that really tackled various themes in an intelligent way and challenged the viewer instead of relying on the same played out tropes just because people eat it up. Rust and Marty will most likely solve the case, either officially or unofficially and they'll go their separate ways. Or maybe one of them dies:yeshrug:It's not gonna be some dumb leap like the Yellow King being Rust, Maggie or the pawg from T-Mobile.
 

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In episode 1, Marty says to Rust, "Do you have a chapter in that book on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend that narrative to support it - prejudice yourself."

There are 2 main theories that highlight this:
- NOT thinking there was a 50/50 chance that Rust and Maggie would fukk
- Believing that Rust and/or Marty were working together against the detectives

I wanna focus on the sex scene because people are actively ignoring the evidence presented.

Let's hop out of the story for a second and just analyze basic man vs woman relations. Why do men have to explain to women, that men and women cannot be friends? Why won't women leave their man alone with their "friends?" Its not about being insecure. Its about not being naive. Its not about a lack of trust. Its about not having to depend on trust. As I said after the diner scene between Maggie and Rust:





@klutch2381 and @Type Username Here all focus on this episode as the stereotypical fall off of Rust because he "acts out of character." Well why didn't you guys think that when he opened himself up to Maggie at dinner in ep1? He's with Marty for months, and never delves into his personal life. But he decides to do so hours after meeting Maggie and the kids? How was THAT scene not lazy? Because you believe Rust letting his guard down about the death of his children makes him more masculine/complex than Rust letting his guard down to fukk Maggie…..

Everything about Rusts relationship with Marty and Maggie is "out of character." That's why he has nobody else in his life! Rust lets his guard down and dates Maggies friend because he trust the dynamic he has developed with Marty and Maggie. Rust mows Marty's lawn and chills with the family because he's finally comfortable somewhere. When Maggie suspects Marty of cheating, who does she call to confide in/figure out the truth? When Marty will not leave her job, who does Maggie call to diffuse the situation? Rust has always been Maggies way out of her marriage. She doesn't hide the fact that she thinks he's a better version of Marty either.

Now about that night: As @fillerguy has keenly noticed (though he's also wrong about the 100% out of character analysis), Rust has put up walls between himself and society. But not all have been by his own doing. That scene is not lazy and not out of character for multiple reasons:
- Rust has been working the 95 case again on his own time. It has ruined his relationship with his girlfriend and with his best friend Marty. This development means his mental state is already shaky.
- He quit his job. You remember what @Sensitive Blake Griffin said about Rust "programming" and not being able to commit suicide. You remember how Rust said because of his personality/life, he was made for the job. Well him quitting, in many ways, is his suicide. Think about how much he hated the people he worked with. Yet he kept coming back and dealing with the bullshyt.
- He's drinking again. Which brings us back to the dinner scene. Answer this question, why doesn't Rust drink anymore?

Last but not least, you guys keep quoting Maggie wrong. This is what she says at the end of the sex scene:
Rust: *stumbles back* what the fukk are you doing here
Maggie: I'm sorry…you know…it wasn't you. Really I wasn't even sure I could do it. Seventeen years is a long time. You know I almost went with a stranger, a bar. I'm sorry Rust. He'll have to go you see, because this he won't live with.
Rust: Get the fukk out of here
Maggie: This will hurt him. I'm sorry but thank you
Rust: Get the fukk out of here
Maggie: I'm - *reaches for hug*
Rust: Get the fukk out of here.

Translation:
- "It wasn't you" means,"I took advantage of you and forced myself on to you….you're not worse for this."
- The primary reason she fukked Rust was because she was incapable of fukkn anyone else. She's a mother of 2, who has been faithful and devoted to her husband for 17 years. She probably rationalized it by seeing herself as dirty and a whore by fukkn a stranger.

I rest my case.

wait a min counselor, dont rest your case yet....cause you're incorrect about 1 thing: your primary reason....she didn't fukk rust cause she wasn't capable of fukking a stranger...she fukked rust because that was gonna hurt marty the most and make him leave her, which is what she cared about/wanted...if she wouldve fukked a stranger, he wouldve stayed with her...and she had been wanting out the marriage, but she was as much a coward as she called marty...she didnt have the balls to end it, so she forcing herself to make it work, no matter what....but once she caught him with the new chick, she said fukk it....
 

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We ain't really talked about Preacher Theroit though. Remember when we thought he was in the cult? Do we still think that? He saw shyt and got spooked. It made him a drunk. I think he's good, but how can we explain off that inverted cross and yellow tie/mic? Maybe it was just a coincidence?...

Or maybe he got kicked out? He shoulda been questioned more for sure though


I'm not so quick to write off the preacher as not involved. it appeared as if he was checking Rust's reactions to his story... gauging if he was believing it. could be wrong, but when he said all his life he just wanted to get closer to God but... silence. could play into his story.. prayed for change, but nothing. maybe he wanted to play king.. but was rejected. I don't think his story is finished.

also I think Rust got some shyt in the past that will catch up to him. Ginger eventually got back to Miles. we haven't seen Miles. I wonder if he is tall..... :lupe:
 

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I'm not so quick to write off the preacher as not involved. it appeared as if he was checking Rust's reactions to his story... gauging if he was believing it. could be wrong, but when he said all his life he just wanted to get closer to God but... silence. could play into his story.. prayed for change, but nothing. maybe he wanted to play king.. but was rejected. I don't think his story is finished.

also I think Rust got some shyt in the past that will catch up to him. Ginger eventually got back to Miles. we haven't seen Miles. I wonder if he is tall..... :lupe:
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All caught up now :whoo: this past episode was so so. Marty's family drama is on par with Margaret from Boardwalk Empire and her bullshyt :camby: get that bullshyt outta here ya'll aint fooling no one, that's strictly for bytches :comeon: I'm still trying to wrap my head around how they could POSSIBLY top the end of episode 4 though :wow: how could they let something THAT epic go in the middle of the season :mindblown: I keep trying to think of something better, but nah... that was the best scene I've caught on tv ever. shyt was Oscar worthy! :ohlawd:
 

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We ain't really talked about Preacher Theroit though. Remember when we thought he was in the cult? Do we still think that? He saw shyt and got spooked. It made him a drunk. I think he's good, but how can we explain off that inverted cross and yellow tie/mic? Maybe it was just a coincidence?...

Or maybe he got kicked out? He shoulda been questioned more for sure though

can only speak for me here:

I never thought he was in the cult....something to explain the shyt he did: that's what he was taught...he was a young, enthusiastic preacher on the come up...he was under the tutelage of tuttle, so he was just trying to be like his idol....he probably didn't know the shyt he was doing was connected to raping and killing kids/women...for all he knew, yellow was just the company color...
 

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@klutch2381 and @Type Username Here all focus on this episode as the stereotypical fall off of Rust because he "acts out of character." Well why didn't you guys think that when he opened himself up to Maggie at dinner in ep1? He's with Marty for months, and never delves into his personal life. But he decides to do so hours after meeting Maggie and the kids? How was THAT scene not lazy? Because you believe Rust letting his guard down about the death of his children makes him more masculine/complex than Rust letting his guard down to fukk Maggie…..

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He didn't really open himself up at all. It was the anniversary of his daughter's death and he was an alcoholic who drank way too much that day. He only gave her an answer to her question.

Contrast that scene with the scene from yesterday. You have a character who is meticulous, intelligent and can supposedly read people very well. All we have been shown is the character in that manner. Hell, the character did an insane amount of drugs and successfully planned an escape in the middle of the hood. Now you're telling me he gets used for 5 minutes and then reverts right back to the old character right away? Nah, it was just lazy writing. Normally, I like to point out lazy writing but it's not like it's an automatic deal-breaker. But it is kind of disappointing to see an unique character be reduced to every other character on TV just to forward the plot. Nic could have at least wrote him having sex with her as some nihilistic engagement where he was conscious of his decision.

I felt that the workplace rift between the partners would have justified enough to the audience that there were no longer friends, especially if Rust thought Marty sold him out about investigating the missing kids.
 

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explain this coincidence . 7 years later the picture in her bedroom is in the mental hospital where Rust visits? Yeah Maggie supplying the legal dope to these girls and cherry picking them for the cult .


:patrice: I'm positive this is not her in the hospital but the pic and the wall paint....ummmmm:patrice: I guess this give you an hint that something will happen to Marty's daughter might ended up just like a girl was screaming about the scar on the face.
 

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she fukked rust because that was gonna hurt marty the most and make him leave her, which is what she cared about/wanted...if she wouldve fukked a stranger, he wouldve stayed with her

No.

Directors DO NOT film and show entire scenes for no reason. So why are you dismissing the fact that she went to a bar for a hook up before Rust? Don't you think the writer would've just written the scene as her driving STRAIGHT to Rusts if that was her plan all along. He's trying to show you how emotionally desperate she is. He's trying to build her character and walk you through her decision and you're ignoring it.

And, like i stated already, you're misquoting her. She never says she picked Rust to hurt Marty. She says:
Maggie: I'm sorry…you know…it wasn't you. Really I wasn't even sure I could do it. Seventeen years is a long time. You know I almost went with a stranger, a bar. I'm sorry Rust. He'll have to go you see, because this he won't live with.

You guys keep keying on her use of the word "this." She's not saying this as in, "me fukkn you." It doesn't hurt Marty for the singular fact that it's Rust. It hurts Marty because he's a possessive, arrogant, son of a bytch. And this has been shown, over, and over, and over since ep1. Marty is a control freak. I keep telling you guys this. Y'all keep viewing him as a father/detective, when he's STILL the all-american quarterback. He's still a frat boy at heart. He's a fake. He's no different that the politician or the preacher. He is a character that needs to be in control. Like most men, he's cool fukkn mad bytches, but once the girl he's with does the same thing, he gets over emotional and starts talking about respect. He's not a pimp. He's insecure as shyt. Someone else fukkn his wife is a shot to his ego. It would be for any man really.
 
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