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[IllmaticDelta]

how are whites forcing this chick:




to claim black? this is what happens when dudes have bullshyt agendas. y'all will blame white people for the fact YOU want to claim this chick as black.

It's a combination of Visual One Drop Rule and the history of the USA's color line line. You can't erase the 400 years prior


12 Beautiful Portraits Of Black Identity Challenging the "One-Drop" Rule

"What are you?" they'd ask, head tilted and eyes squinted.

"Black," I'd reply.

"No ... but like, what else are you? I know it's not all black."

So went a typical interrogation by my peers as a kid. With skin lighter than even some who identify as White and hair that streaks blond in the sun, I've never been offended by the question, although I have since changed my response. To the more politically correct question that I'm asked in adulthood — "Where are you from?" — I would recite my ethnic makeup, followed by a definitive, "But I identify as Black." (If I feel like being a wise ass, I'll simply reply with "New Jersey.")
How do you define a racial identity? Can "blackness" be defined simply by a person's skin tone, hair texture or facial features? Can we define it by the way someone walks or talks? Can it be a product of someone's cultural affinities, regardless of what she looks like?

These are the questions that Dr. Yaba Blay and photographer Noelle Théard encourage us to wrestle with in (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race. Featuring the perspectives of 58 people who identify as part of the larger "racial, cultural, and social group generally referred to and known as Black," the book combines candid memoirs and striking portraits to explore the complexities of Black identity and celebrate an individual's right to self-identify.

(1)ne Drop's title derives from the "one-drop rule" — a (successful) attempt to define blackness in America as one drop, or at least 1/32, of Black ancestry for the economic, social and political purposes of distinguishing a Black person from a White person. I say "successful," because the one-drop rule still holds cultural weight today, especially with regard to how we value light and dark skin. For this reason, Dr. Blay aims to "challenge narrow yet popular perceptions of what Blackness is and what Blackness looks like."

"I think the context that we live in shapes the way you identify yourself, and the way others identify you," says Dr. Blay. And therein lies the power of (1)ne Drop. From Zun Lee, a man who has always identified as Black despite being phenotypically Asian, to Sembene McFarland, a woman whose vitiligo bizarrely blurs other people's perception of her race, to James Bartlett, a man who is mistaken for Italian, Arab or Hispanic depending on what U.S. city he's in, (1)ne Drop narrates a story of blackness that is not bound by looks, but that is fluid and empowered by the act of self-identification.

Below are 12 portraits of participants, including their self-identification and a piece of their personal story from (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race:


1. La Block – “Biracial/Mixed”

"I always wanted to be darker because I didn't want to have to tell people that I'm Black. I just wanted them to be able to tell … Now I say that I'm Biracial just because I think it's important to embrace cultures and I think the language of 'Biracial' reflects everything that I am."

2. Andrew Holmes - "Black"

"I've never been put in a situation to have to think about how I identify. I don't exclude my Biracialness. I fully embrace my Caucasian roots, just as I do my Jamaican roots. When I'm at home and I'm looking at my mom and my dad and my siblings, I don't necessarily see a Black family or a White family — I just see my family. But if there's a need for me to bubble in what I am, there's no hesitation — I bubble in 'Black.' That's just how I feel. I'm definitely not a White guy. People don't look at me and say, 'Hey, look at that White man!'"

3. Zun Lee – “Black”

"When I applied to grad school or for jobs, all of a sudden the boxes come up. I had to make a choice, so for the first time, I checked 'Black.' And I didn't think long about it because for me, it was based on personal circumstance. I just chose the box that I felt most at home with because I didn't relate to any of the other options. From then on, if I were asked, I would answer, 'I'm Black.' Of course, people told me I couldn't do that — that I couldn't choose that box. But I had spent all of my life being pushed away by people. In Germany, I wasn't even given the option to check anything because I wasn't welcomed there. I had no box. For the first time, I was being given the option to identify myself. Now I had a box, and I was happy in that little box."

4. Deborah Thomas – “Mixed/Jamaican”

"I was telling my students the other day that the most frequent question I get is, 'What are you?' People just randomly on the street, 'What are you?' I used to get really annoyed and militant about it. I've never been sure why people are so bold, because I would never. So I used to respond, 'Human!' But now I just try to figure out what it is somebody's trying to know."

 

[IllmaticDelta]

5. James Bartlett – “Black”

"Most of the time, I can tell — somebody's either just looking at me or they just flat out ask me, 'What are you?' I can't tell you how many times I get that question. It's funny, because now most people either say, 'I thought you were XYZ when I first met you,' or 'I didn't know what you were until you started talking and then I knew you were Black!'"

6. Nuala Cabral – “Black/Mixed/Cape Verdean”

"I may identify as a Biracial person — I'm Black and White — but if people see me as a Black woman, that's how I'm treated. So I identify as a Black woman because I move through the world as a Black woman."

7. Melanie Staton – “African American”

"I don't think ever in my life someone has looked at me like, 'I think she's a White girl.' But I'm not sure people always look at me at as African American either. I guess it doesn't dawn on people that the African American race can come in so many different shades."

8. Brandon Stanford – “African American”

"My consciousness never really allowed me to think of myself as anything else but Black or a person of African descent. Anyone who has had the opportunity to get to know me never questions my race. They never question me being Black. Never. Regardless of my complexion. But for those who don't necessarily know me, based on my phenotype and their perception, I've had some interesting experiences."

9. Sumaya Ellard – “Black American Muslim”

"I started covering my hair when I was about 14. It was an adjustment for me because in our society, especially within the Black community, we define ourselves very deeply by our hair. Your hair somehow identifies who you are, how Black you are, how beautiful you are, how polished you are, or your political inclinations. It was an adjustment because it felt like I was taking away part of my identity from people. The hijab itself can be a barrier in people's perception of you and how well they think they can identify who you are. And yet, I think that's the beauty of covering. You are forced to deal with yourself and your own self-identification."

10. Sembene McFarland – “Black/African American”

"A lot of people just look and see skin color. Your skin is White, therefore you're White. Or are you? One girl said to me, 'I've been wanting to ask you this question but I didn't feel comfortable asking you because I thought that you might be offended, but are you Black or are you White?' And I told her, 'Well, I'm always Black.'"

11. Kaneesha Parsard — "Black/Multiracial"

"I tend to believe that being Black — like choosing to identify as Multiracial — is not about phenotype as much as it's about feelings of belonging and identification. I'm Black because I feel the memory of the Middle Passage and slavery most strongly. I'm Black because when I look in the mirror I see my mother, her mother and my aunts. Maybe my reasoning wouldn't be strong enough for somebody who might have an immediately negative or dismissive response to my phenotype, but our cultural memories have the same roots."

12. Brett Russel — "Yu’i Korsou (a child of Curaçao)"

"Even though I was born and raised in Curaçao and I spoke the language, at first sight people always thought that I was Dutch. Then, when I came to Holland in 2001, the people saw me as 'the immigrant.' All of a sudden, I was 'the Black guy.' It was frustrating. There was no explanation for it, and I realized how little I had actually thought about myself in the context of race."

 

[marcuz]

Motherfukk you fakkit.

why you so upset, bruh? i just don't get it. you dudes get white spouses then got the nerve to tell us they're apart of the collective because white people said so. as if cacs made you marry a white woman.

Our tribe was formed when whites took us brought us here and enslaved us. How biracials came about is irrelevant to the fact

no its completely relevant. there's a difference between force and free choice. so why we subscribing to a notion that blacks blood contaminates all others? just having 1 black paren't aint enough for me, and it shouldn't be enough for you. hell, to you, (and @illmaticdela) we dont even need black parent. 1 biracial parent (halle berry) can still produce black kids.

They don't have to be forced in because they've always been in the tribe. We are descendants of them.

no the fukk they aren't. even during slavery, there were distinctions made. how is someone being raised by a white mother, white father, in a white community, still apart of our tribe?

Except they have been for 500 years and counting.

"b-b-but slavery" shut up, nikka. the biracials you're creating today have nothing to do with 500 yrs ago. it's 205, master aint fukking their bedwenches and tucking their mulattoes, octaroons, and quadroons offspring away somewhere. even still, they were still biracials during slavery.

European isn't a race idiot. Black doesn't equal African. AAs aren't African we are people of African descent. Nobody is an equal mix of two races because that's not how race works.

see how oblivious nikkas get when it comes to biracials. suddenly you don't who whites and blacks are. this is the kind of logic you faux militants have to carry when you procreate with neanderthals.

Save the deflections fakkit. You're ignoring that post for a reason.

you aint saying shyt worth responding to. it's the same argument every time, and if i let you--you'd carry this on until next week.

Nah, you keep living in on the Internet in your own world because you're too gotdamn bytchmade and insecure to deal with reality.

the reality is biracials are a combination of both races. they are not sharing the same experience. they are not apart of the tribe. they will continue to distance themselves from blacks as their numbers rise, and dudes like you will continue to lose sleep over it.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

‘One-drop rule’ persists

Ho and colleagues presented subjects with computer-generated images of black-white and Asian-white individuals, as well as family trees showing different biracial permutations. They also asked people to report directly whether they perceived biracials to be more minority or white. By using multiple approaches, their work examined both conscious and unconscious perceptions of biracial individuals, presenting the most extensive empirical evidence to date on how they are perceived.

The researchers found, for example, that one-quarter-Asian individuals are consistently considered more white than one-quarter-black individuals, despite the fact that African Americans and European Americans share a substantial degree of genetic heritage.

Using face-morphing technology that presented a series of faces ranging from 5 percent white to 95 percent white, they also found that individuals who were a 50-50 mix of two races, either black-white or Asian-white, were almost never identified by study participants as white. Furthermore, on average, black-white biracials had to be 68 percent white before they were perceived as white; the comparable figure for Asian-white biracials was 63 percent.

“The United States is already a country of ethnic mixtures, but in the near future it will be even more so, and more so than any other country on earth,” says Banaji, Richard Clarke Cabot Professor of Social Ethics at Harvard. “When we see in our data that our own minds are limited in the perception of those who are the products of two different ethnic groups, we recognize how far we have to go in order to have an objectively accurate and fair assessment of people. That’s the challenge for modern minds.”

The team found few differences in how whites and non-whites perceive biracial individuals, with both assigning them with equal frequency to lower-status groups. The researchers are conducting further studies to examine why Americans continue to associate biracials more with their minority parent group.

“The persistence of hypodescent serves to reinforce racial boundaries, rather than moving us toward a race-neutral society,” Ho says.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/12/‘one-drop-rule’-persists/

 

[marcuz]

@Gravity come get your mans

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Tribalism based on "race" didn't exist until white men came into power. You can either accept the concept of race or reject it. Nobody gives a fukk about your personal interpretation of the concept tho.

Because that's how our tribe was formed in the first place you idiot. Biracial people have been apart of our tribe since its inception. Whites deemed anybody of African descent as inferior and used that as justification to enslave us.

No, I've said that biracials who accept white supremacy claim mixed to run from being classified as black. That's not exclusive to biracials tho. There are plenty of people who you would consider black that would do the same. This is why you see black people dark as fukk claiming mixed because of some Indian grandmother or some shyt. c00ns are always tryna run or distance themselves from the black community regardless of their complexion or genetic makeup. I say that we unite with those who embrace their blackness while rejecting white supremacy regardless of their complexion their genetic makeup.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@Gravity come get your mans

Those biracials/people were self identified "Blacks" and they identify that way because of the context of the society they live in.

 

[marcuz]

Those biracials/people were self identified "Blacks" and they identify that way because of the context of the society they live in.

aka "white people rejected them, so we HAVE to accept them" ole dig in the dumpster ass nikkas

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@Gravity still in here throwing a tantrum "b-but if you're visibly black, you'll be treated black by whites, so you're black" this nikka loves to base our tribe solely on how whites feel, pathetic fukk

The Afram tribe/identity was formed and based on the combination of how we saw ourselves and how whites saw us. As I posted before

One thing people must remember is the full blown modern AfroAmerican identity came about due to the struggle and jim crow laws. Before that, you had people with regional flavors culturally and you had different classes of AfroAmericans or what came to be Black Americans.


Origins of African-American Ethnicity or African-American Ethnic Traits


The newly formed Black Yankee ethnicity of the early 1800s differed from today’s African-American ethnicity. Modern African-American ethnic traits come from a post-bellum blending of three cultural streams: the Black Yankee ethnicity of 1830, the slave traditions of the antebellum South, and the free Creole or Mulatto elite traditions of the lower South. Each of the three sources provided elements of the religious, linguistic, and folkloric traditions found in today’s African-American ethnicity.30


Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » The Color Line Created African-American Ethnicity in the North

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

You can't compare new world ethnic groups to old world ethnic groups because most new world people are HYBRIDS. The dynamics are different on a racial/genetic level.

Stop it. Don't try to add another dimension to the simple notion of representation and identity
There is a reason why you chose to focus on one sentence and not the overall point

 

[IllmaticDelta]

aka "white people rejected them, so we HAVE to accept them" ole dig in the dumpster ass nikkas

Why should we reject people who share our blood and shared experiences and have phenotypes that overlap with people within our group of people with 2 black parents?

 

[marcuz]

Stop it. Don't try to add another dimension to the simple notion of representation and identity
There is a reason why you chose to focus on one sentence and not the overall point

why don't these dudes see the importance of being represented properly

 

[marcuz]

Why should we reject people who share our blood and shared experiences and have phenotypes that overlap with people within our group of people with 2 black parents?

- we should we accept people who share half (or more) of the oppressors blood?
- the cacs you claim as black do not share the same experience
- they do not have the same phenotype, you stretch our phenotype to accommodate them.

 

[marcuz]

this guy shares the same experience as a dark skinned black male with two black parents everybody

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

why don't these dudes see the importance of being represented properly

All while other communities are not having such discussions
Just like you said in the other post, the whiteman is not forcing mofos to claim other people, they are doing that for their own agenda
And until these nikkas are real to themselves about this agenda, these kind of discussions will always be done, wasting time, and deflecting from major issues