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That's not racism, that's ignorance. Africans walk up to a white man for the first time in a villlage and rub his skin to see if the white comes off, that's racist to you? :what:


Wrong. Tan skin is looked down on by the older people because during the dynasty tans were associated with farmers, while skincare was associated with the royals, get it right. Has nothing to do with race. And even then, the new gen don't give a fukk about tan and white skin, it's mostly the older folks you see walking with umbrellas, they want to maintain their original yellow skin, which there is nothing wrong with.


Wrong again because I was there, and never denied access to any bars, that makes no logical sense when a shyt load of african nations were going to attend, they were trying to clear the streets of mongolians, the racial slur for mongolians translate to 'tan skin people'. Africans ARE discriminated against in BJ and in Guangzho, but we all know why, and it's mostly the nigerians, they commit too much crime which leaves a bad taste in the locals mouth, I don't blame them, heck Nigerians have a bad name on their own continent (See South Africa) they're well known scammers, you can't scam people and think shyt will be peaches and cream. As an african american (and yes they know the difference) I have not once gotten discriminated against.

Are you seriously trying to compare U.S racism to Chinese ignorance? :what: Pffffttt.

You're clearly a dumbass, so it's difficult to waste time educating you, but I just can't help myself.

Nobody cares about white skin?

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How many models or actors have dark skin?

:bryan:

Only old people walk around with umbrellas?

:dwillhuh:

Now I know you're just making shyt up to fit your narrative. I spent months at a university living with Chinese classmates. The girls walked around with umbrellas all day. I constantly heard discriminatory remarks and I wasn't in rural, ass backwards China. Remarks weren't just for blacks either. In response to telling our Chinese classmates we had a gay classmate, we heard there were no gay people in China because it was a Western disease.

And...

The Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post reported last week that police in the popular Sanlitun bar district in Beijing had warned bar owners not to serve customers of African or Mongolian descent.

And...

http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/stories/shanghai-black-girl-lou-jing-racist-chinese-netizens.html

I guess you forgot about Lou Jing?

:usure:

Just because you haven't noticed anything doesn't mean it's not happening all over. It just means you're stupid.

And to stop your argument before you make it, yes, America is racist too. This stuff happens in America too. I'm aware. China is no better and might be worse. Probably worse because at least we have diversity here, not 90 plus % ethnic Han.
 

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You're clearly a dumbass, so it's difficult to waste time educating you, but I just can't help myself.

Nobody cares about white skin?

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How many models or actors have dark skin?

:bryan:

Only old people walk around with umbrellas?

:dwillhuh:
WTF does skin lightener have to do with the black race? :why:
You should look at the charts for africans using bleaching cream, its about the same shyt. What do asians not wanting to tan for aesthetic reasons have to do with black people. you sound like you seriously have never spoken to an asian person in your life. I don't think you're black.

Now I know you're just making shyt up to fit your narrative. I spent months at a university living with Chinese classmates. The girls walked around with umbrellas all day. I constantly heard discriminatory remarks and I wasn't in rural, ass backwards China. Remarks weren't just for blacks either. In response to telling our Chinese classmates we had a gay classmate, we heard there were no gay people in China because it was a Western disease.
Gay people get shyt in just about every country welcome to planet earth genius, and I don't see girls with umbrellas in Shandong, and I live in a beach town, the only people wearing face masks on the beach are old people, and they're seen as stupid asses by the younger gen. I don't know what goes on in other provinces, but again, what does that have to do with racism toward blacks? so because they dont want to tan they hate black people? thats your logic?

http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/stories/shanghai-black-girl-lou-jing-racist-chinese-netizens.html

I guess you forgot about Lou Jing?

:usure:

Just because you haven't noticed anything doesn't mean it's not happening all over. It just means you're stupid.
Oh I know about Lou Jing, her mother got more shyt than anything because she cheated with a black man. I think you should read the chinese comments instead, btw I'm subscribed to chinasmack, they're sensationalism. If she were an actual problem....she wouldn't have been on the TV show to begin with. :usure:
Most have a problem with how her mother cheated, you had your sprinkle of racism (no one is claiming racism is null and void in china just ask a chinese what they think of japan)

however again, ARE YOU SERIOUSLY COMPARING U.S RACISM TO CHINESE IGNORANCE? :bryan:

you are going to skip over that question again. :dead:

I don't think you're black at all. I think you're white and are upset I am revealing that asia is by far better for african americans in terms of having to deal with racism, because you dont like that I refuse to except your peoples racism and left. I noticed you not once gave me examples of racism YOU YOURSELF have endured, which again, leads me to believe you're not black.
 

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WTF does skin lightener have to do with the black race? :why:
You should look at the charts for africans using bleaching cream, its about the same shyt. What do asians not wanting to tan for aesthetic reasons have to do with black people. you sound like you seriously have never spoken to an asian person in your life. I don't think you're black.

It's simply one part in the equation of why many Chinese look down on blacks. I'm not black. I never claimed to be. That doesn't, however, invalidate what I'm saying.

I had Chinese roommates for probably half a year and managed an all Chinese company using only Chinese, so...

:yeshrug:

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Gay people get shyt in just about every country welcome to planet earth genius, and I don't see girls with umbrellas in Shandong, and I live in a beach town, the only people wearing face masks on the beach are old people, and they're seen as stupid asses by the younger gen. I don't know what goes on in other provinces, but again, what does that have to do with racism toward blacks? so because they dont want to tan they hate black people? thats your logic?

I hope you're not talking about Qingdao because that's where I spent most of my time and what you're saying couldn't be more false. Again, a piece of the puzzle explaining why Chinese look down on black people.

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Oh I know about Lou Jing, her mother got more shyt than anything because she cheated with a black man. I think you should read the chinese comments instead, btw I'm subscribed to chinasmack, they're sensationalism. If she were an actual problem....she wouldn't have been on the TV show to begin with. :usure:
Most have a problem with how her mother cheated, you had your sprinkle of racism (no one is claiming racism is null and void in china just ask a chinese what they think of japan)

Look, you really love China, I get it. Good for you. But if you're going to say shyt like "sprinkle of racism", you can't be taken seriously.

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however again, ARE YOU SERIOUSLY COMPARING U.S RACISM TO CHINESE IGNORANCE? :bryan:

you are going to skip over that question again. :dead:

I'm not really comparing them. There's a common thread, but completely different reasons and histories for racism.

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I don't think you're black at all. I think you're white and are upset I am revealing that asia is by far better for african americans in terms of having to deal with racism, because you dont like that I refuse to except your peoples racism and left. I noticed you not once gave me examples of racism YOU YOURSELF have endured, which again, leads me to believe you're not black.

:russ:

Yeah, I really give a fukk if anybody leaves America for China.

Enjoy shytting in buckets.
 

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It's simply one part in the equation of why many Chinese look down on blacks. I'm not black. I never claimed to be. That doesn't, however, invalidate what I'm saying.
aaaaah. I knew it. It's always some white boy or other telling a black person who hates them, rather than some black person telling us what they endure abroad, you folks ever notice that? ahem.

there we go. Bleaching cream is not part of the equation at all. It would be like saying africans that bleach their skin hate being black. WRONG, they are lightening their skin for aesthetic reasons, its even worse for them because they're lightening whats naturally theres, whereas asians are lightening to was is ORIGINALLY there.




Look, you really love China, I get it. Good for you. But if you're going to say shyt like "sprinkle of racism", you can't be taken seriously.
So basically you're a white boy telling an african american what he endures on a daily basis. how the fukk can YOU tell ME what I go through daily when you are not even my skin tone? its like those white boys that say black men exaggerate their racism in the states, I don't think you are the proper representative to tell me who hates me, when I'm wearing this skin color and walking around china. I think its best to focus on how the chinese view you. There's always some know it all white dude telling some black people who hates him. wtf is up with that, shyt is bizarre. No, I get far less hate/racism in china than I do america, sorry if that hurts your feelings but the white establishment that locks my people up at an alarming rate is by far someting that is a threat to me than some chinese people.

Enjoy shytting in buckets.
You obv did if you spent THAT much time there.
 

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aaaaah. I knew it. It's always some white boy or other telling a black person who hates them, rather than some black person telling us what they endure abroad, you folks ever notice that? ahem.

there we go. Bleaching cream is not part of the equation at all. It would be like saying africans that bleach their skin hate being black. WRONG, they are lightening their skin for aesthetic reasons, its even worse for them because they're lightening whats naturally theres, whereas asians are lightening to was is ORIGINALLY there.

So basically you're a white boy telling an african american what he endures on a daily basis. how the fukk can YOU tell ME what I go through daily when you are not even my skin tone? its like those white boys that say black men exaggerate their racism in the states, I don't think you are the proper representative to tell me who hates me, when I'm wearing this skin color and walking around china. I think its best to focus on how the chinese view you. There's always some know it all white dude telling some black people who hates him. wtf is up with that, shyt is bizarre. No, I get far less hate/racism in china than I do america, sorry if that hurts your feelings but the white establishment that locks my people up at an alarming rate is by far someting that is a threat to me than some chinese people.


You obv did if you spent THAT much time there.

It's all a big white man conspiracy, right?

:bryan::bryan::bryan:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/24/world/asia/china-tinted-prejudice/

Beijing (CNN) -- A Caucasian American businessman gets into a cab in Beijing. At first he's relieved-- the last few taxis passed straight by him, which is not unusual-- it can be difficult for non-Chinese nationals to get a cab. But then comes an uncomfortable question from the driver: "Isn't it difficult living in a country with so many black people?"

A question that highlighted another issue: while non-Chinese nationals can have trouble getting a cab, it can be even worse for those with darker skin.

Project manager Kris Derban has lived in China for eight years. He long suspected that taxis were not picking him up because he is an African-American. Recently his suspicions were confirmed when he asked a driver why he had hesitated to take him. "The driver said, 'I worry Africans will run off and not pay.'"

But catching a cab isn't the only problem. Another common misconception Derban has to contend with is that he is a drug dealer, he said. "I'll be with a group of friends and someone specifically comes up to ask me if I have drugs. At first I was offended. Now I tease them and say: 'No, do you have drugs?'"

Derban laughs off such incidents, finding humor in the ignorance. Others have been less fortunate.

Liberian student David Johnson moved to China just two months ago. He said he has already been subjected to several racist remarks. "One time I was walking down the street and someone called me a stupid black c***," he reported.

"Maybe it was because I was with a Chinese girl and they don't like that."

Reports of this kind of racism date back to when Africans were first welcomed into China to study at Chinese universities in the 1960s. And in 1988, a violent, 300-strong mob broke into an African students' dormitory at Nanjing University and destroyed their possessions while chanting "down with the black devils."

The number of Africans and foreigners living in China has risen significantly since then. Communities have grown up in major cities such as Guangzhou, where 20,000 Africans now live, according to official figures. Some scholars, trying to account for the number of undocumented migrants, put the estimate at around 200,000.

However, "even in those cities where there is now a concentration of black people, still most Chinese have little to no contact with them," said Barry Sautman, a professor of social sciences at the Hong Kong University of Science & Technology who specializes in the issue of race in China. As such, their ideas about blacks are largely shaped by the media, Sautman, said, adding, "In the media, Africa is portrayed as a house of horrors, with a huge number of people dying from diseases, wars and extremely high crime rates."

Cultural bias against dark skin

But it is not just Africans and those of African descent who report prejudices in China; others with darker skin are also affected.

Hatim Shah from Mumbai in India has worked in finance in China for six years. He recalled Beijing's visa crackdown on foreigners working or living illegally in the city around the time of the 2008 Olympics.

"I was set to move into a house, but when I went with the landlord to the police station to register, he told me I couldn't live there because the police didn't want brown people in the vicinity," he recalled. "My white South African roommate had no problem." Although Shah believes the situation has since improved, he still feels that "if you are brown here, you are not equal."

He added: "They assume dark skinned people are doing something dodgy. If there's a white person in the room, they'd rather speak to the white person."

Paler skin has historically been prized in China and much of Asia. Even today skin-lightening products remain popular.

"Conversely, darker skin is associated with being a peasant," said Sautman. "So, if you think peasants are oafish and backwards, you associate darker skin with that."

However, experts say, just because there is a historic prejudice against dark skin in China, it was never a given that this prejudice would automatically translate into prejudice against races with darker skins. Sautman believes that type of prejudice was imported from the West.

"It was imported as early as the 1880s by Chinese intellectuals exposed to the Western racist literature. During the Maoist era, expressing such ideas fell out of fashion. Instead, the state promoted the idea that the Chinese should join Africans and rise up together against the white imperialists," said Sautman. But from the beginning of China's reform era from the late 1970s, some Western ideas were allowed to flood back in.

While the Chinese government maintains there is no racisim here-- many clearly beg to differ. But they say, given that racism seems less historically entrenched in China than in the West, there is hope it can be stamped out more easily.

The 'Obama effect'

Some non-Chinese nationals say the election of U.S. President Barack Obama and the growing number of black sports stars playing for Chinese teams - such as basketball's Stephon Marbury and footballer Didier Drogba - has helped change perceptions.

A study conducted by Yunying Zhang at Austin Peay State University and Alexis Tan at Washington State University showed that negative stereotypes held about African-Americans-- for example, that they were 'violent', 'loud' or 'aggressive' -- were less likely to be held by Chinese people after President Obama's election. Meanwhile Africans and African-Americans living in China report that since the election, Chinese people they meet are now more likely to bring up the president or the latest athlete signed to a Chinese team than mention negative stereotypes.

Real-life encounters with ordinary Africans and African-Americans also play a part in dispelling racist myths. In a study of attitudes in Guangzhou, Sautman found a correlation between Chinese people actually living and working with Africans and having a more positive attitude towards the African community there.

Derban, for his part, said: "I try to present myself in such a way that I always leave a good impression. The racism here might be blatant, but, unlike the West, because it's not hidden, I know what I am dealing with. I can openly talk to people about it and help change impressions."

Loretta Evans, an African-American who has been in China for eight years feels the same. "Yes, I've sometimes had people stare or touch my skin, as if to see whether it's going to rub off," she said. "But I think this comes from curiosity not negativity. Here I don't feel the racial tension I feel back home. I've done things, such as setting up my own geophysics company, which as I black woman I might not have been able to do in the States.

"Yes, I'm treated differently from Chinese people. But here I'm different first, black second."
 

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Again, that article is almost spot on...however its trying to tie western racism with chinese ignorance, which is wrong. I've personally never been denied a taxi, have you?

However I have most DEF have been denied a taxi in america, my own fukking country. :snoop:

Beijing and Guangzho (notice the article are highlighting the very 2 places I mentioned earlier) are mostly talking to people about the african problem. Nigerians have been causing a lot of issues, like selling drugs (thats why someone walked up to them asking for drugs) and scams. Now a days the chinese are a lot better noticing the difference between africans and african americans because us african american are clearly there for work, not to scam and fukk people over. If we flew all the way to china we're typically of the business class.

I love how you're trying your hardest to make it seem like black people have it rough, yet you have not given me any personal examples yourself. so what racism have YOU endured in china? what have you been denied? :mjpls:

CNN, I bet that author is black. Hold on, let me post a blog from actual african americans, not some white male giving his perspective of what black people go through.
 

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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/04/18/being-black-in-china/

strange how I can find loads of articles written by white folks on black racism, but no articles by black people about the racism they endure. ahem.

http://chineseculture.about.com/library/weekly/aa_racist02a.htm

I think most Chinese people are not racist towards Blacks. I don't believe they have any hatred towards Blacks because the idea of what racism is isn't personally felt in China. It seems to be more appropriate to say some Chinese people may like or dislike Blacks based mainly on prejudice or ignorance.

aint that something. articles written by african americans, appear to show no signs of racism, but rather, ignorance.

why would a chinese person hate me, when they dont know shyt about me? we have no history with these people? :heh: get over it white boy, they treat us better, and altho they might be ignorant one thing I can say about the chinese, is that they take you at face value, once they meet you, talk to you, how you present yourself is how you will be treated, there is no systematic racism in china specifically targeting black people, thats some perverted dream you want to have a hard on for.
 

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Again, that article is almost spot on...however its trying to tie western racism with chinese ignorance, which is wrong. I've personally never been denied a taxi, have you?

However I have most DEF have been denied a taxi in america, my own fukking country. :snoop:

Beijing and Guangzho (notice the article are highlighting the very 2 places I mentioned earlier) are mostly talking to people about the african problem. Nigerians have been causing a lot of issues, like selling drugs (thats why someone walked up to them asking for drugs) and scams. Now a days the chinese are a lot better noticing the difference between africans and african americans because us african american are clearly there for work, not to scam and fukk people over. If we flew all the way to china we're typically of the business class.

I love how you're trying your hardest to make it seem like black people have it rough, yet you have not given me any personal examples yourself. so what racism have YOU endured in china? what have you been denied? :mjpls:

CNN, I bet that author is black. Hold on, let me post a blog from actual african americans, not some white male giving his perspective of what black people go through.

I haven't endured any racism in China because I'm pasty WHITE.

http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/07/chinese-raciality-and-black-reality-in-china/

My own experience in China began in the late 90s. While working for a major international language company, I taught English to Chinese from all socio-economic backgrounds. By all accounts, my supervisors and other teachers respected my skills and knowledge in the classroom. Around 2003, however, I noticed a shift in the market and it became increasingly difficult for me to hold on to assigned classes. There were a number of complaints from students. My supervisor investigated. She clandestinely and randomly listened in on my classes via the company intercom system. After a couple of weeks she called me into her office. She told me I was an excellent teacher and could find little fault in my methods and teaching of the prescribed curriculum. Students just wanted a “different” teacher.

While on break, I overheard students speaking in Chinese about how they were paying so much money and wanted a white instructor. One student went so far as to say, “I don’t want to look at his black face all night.” There was nothing my supervisor could do. The market was demanding white teachers and the company was responding to that demand. Not only did they want white teachers, they wanted attractive ones. I overheard a number of students discussing and comparing the physical attractiveness of one teacher over another. Students were even willing to accept a white, non-native English speaker over a black, native English speaker. This was a far cry from my first days of teaching English in China in 1999, when students were just happy to have an English speaker in the room.

ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Traditional standards of beauty in China have also shaped perceptions of black foreigners in the country. In China, “whiteness” is seen as a highly desirable trait for women. Stores that sell beauty products without fail have a wide variety of whitening creams. The Chinese and Western models that fill the screen and print ads all fit one standard type of beauty—very white skin, tall, thin with jet-black hair. There is even a Chinese saying: “A girl can be ugly, as long as she has white skin一白遮百丑.”

:mjpls:
 

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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/04/18/being-black-in-china/

strange how I can find loads of articles written by white folks on black racism, but no articles by black people about the racism they endure. ahem.

http://chineseculture.about.com/library/weekly/aa_racist02a.htm



aint that something. articles written by african americans, appear to show no signs of racism, but rather, ignorance.

why would a chinese person hate me, when they dont know shyt about me? we have no history with these people? :heh: get over it white boy, they treat us better, and altho they might be ignorant one thing I can say about the chinese, is that they take you at face value, once they meet you, talk to you, how you present yourself is how you will be treated, there is no systematic racism in china specifically targeting black people, thats some perverted dream you want to have a hard on for.

Just posted a blog post by a black man discussing the racism, dip shyt.

You're seeing what you want to see.

America: "Sorry, we want a white teacher over black"
You: "Racism!"

China: "Sorry, we want a white teacher over black"
You: :salute:
 

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Who cares rap is only entertainment which has no real effect on anyone, particularly kids. :troll:

What people are not really talking about is why a group composed primarily of non black people are defaulting their comfort with using this word to Suge. Meaning, they view him, and are propping him up, as some "leader" or someone of importance.

Rap is slowly destroying inner city cultures and watch as people come in and defend it.
Que morons in 3...2...1...
 

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I haven't endured any racism in China because I'm pasty WHITE.

http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/07/chinese-raciality-and-black-reality-in-china/

My own experience in China began in the late 90s. While working for a major international language company, I taught English to Chinese from all socio-economic backgrounds. By all accounts, my supervisors and other teachers respected my skills and knowledge in the classroom. Around 2003, however, I noticed a shift in the market and it became increasingly difficult for me to hold on to assigned classes. There were a number of complaints from students. My supervisor investigated. She clandestinely and randomly listened in on my classes via the company intercom system. After a couple of weeks she called me into her office. She told me I was an excellent teacher and could find little fault in my methods and teaching of the prescribed curriculum. Students just wanted a “different” teacher.

While on break, I overheard students speaking in Chinese about how they were paying so much money and wanted a white instructor. One student went so far as to say, “I don’t want to look at his black face all night.” There was nothing my supervisor could do. The market was demanding white teachers and the company was responding to that demand. Not only did they want white teachers, they wanted attractive ones. I overheard a number of students discussing and comparing the physical attractiveness of one teacher over another. Students were even willing to accept a white, non-native English speaker over a black, native English speaker. This was a far cry from my first days of teaching English in China in 1999, when students were just happy to have an English speaker in the room.

ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Traditional standards of beauty in China have also shaped perceptions of black foreigners in the country. In China, “whiteness” is seen as a highly desirable trait for women. Stores that sell beauty products without fail have a wide variety of whitening creams. The Chinese and Western models that fill the screen and print ads all fit one standard type of beauty—very white skin, tall, thin with jet-black hair. There is even a Chinese saying: “A girl can be ugly, as long as she has white skin一白遮百丑.”

:mjpls:
ohhhhh so YOU haven't gotten racism because you're a white man. aaaaaah. and so you keep on revealing yourself. Hold on, let me grab this china smack article on the british man that got his ass beat, and look at the comment sections.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/videos/british-man-beat-up-for-sexually-assaulting-chinese-girl.html

It appears by the comment section they see you as a dog who is infiltrating their land and want you out. it also appears that any chinese girl that messes with you is a whore. :mjpls:

hmmmm. interesting.

I just got a job offer to Hisense, which is one of, if not the biggest electronic company in china, I don't know why they'd want to see my black face every day. :mjpls:
 

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Just posted a blog post by a black man discussing the racism, dip shyt.

You're seeing what you want to see.

America: "Sorry, we want a white teacher over black"
You: "Racism!"

China: "Sorry, we want a white teacher over black"
You: :salute:
I have never had a russian get an english teaching job over me, you must be out your mind, and how many african americans are teaching english in china? :heh: of course they'd pick some french woman over an african. :heh:

why is it every weekend I go out, and some white men are getting that ass beat by groups of chinese men? I thought white skin was a shield in china? whats going on there, why are yall seeing ER rooms on a weekly basis. :heh:

You don't see africans getting stitched up in ER. :heh:
 
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