Tim Duncan has 5 rings why isn’t he ever mentioned in top 5

[JA_Carter]

‘But but he didn’t score enough’ Jordan & 2000 Shaq were the only scoring leaders to ever win a ring the same year. That’s not a good argument as to why he’s not one of the GOATs

 

[Tom Foolery]

26k pts 15k reb

What season was this? I'll wait.

 

[Black Lightning]

Career stats are not superb.

Career Stats:

19 PPG
10.8 RPG
3 APG
2.2 BPG
26,496 Points(25th All Time)
15,091 Rebounds(6th All Time)
3020 Blocks(5th All Time)
Player Efficiency Rating(14th All Time)
Win Shares(7th All Time)
Plus/Minus(15th All Time)
Value Over Replacement Player(6th All Time)


Achievements:

15x All-Star
15x All-NBA
15x All-Defensive
5x Champ
3x Finals MVP
2x League MVP
99-00 All-Star MVP
97-98 ROY
97-98 All-Rookie

 

[Versa]

That's a strange choice, but to each his own.

Yeah I'm going with the overall most skilled, best defensive big ever and the most unstoppable one over Kareem but all due respect to the all time leading scorer!

 

[murksiderock]

A big man is never gonna get the goat title basically .. even tho you have great arguments for some

The best player conversation was dominated by bigs from the sport's inception until the 90s. Even still, Hakeem, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, and Duncan are all viewed as Top 10-esque players and a couple of those guys still get play as the best player ever from time to time...

Anybody who doesn't have Duncan in top 5 should be blocked on GP.

He and Jordan are the only unanimous GOATs at their positions

Tim isn't even unanimously regarded as a PF so this isn't true...

funny thing is, he was ahead of kobe before kobe started campaigning.

and then jordan instigated the kobe/lebron debate to distract people from the jordan/lebron talk.

This is 100,000% accurate and a point that I think most heads know but refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't fit an agenda. The LeBron/Kobe thing was done after '16 and to date the only heads who audaciously put Kobe over Bron are Kobe Stans/Bron haters...

The Jordan/Bron thing has always been closer than people want to admit and Jordan, a known narcissist, of course he felt uncomfortability with the comp and had to deflect and misdirect...

This board is the only place I've ever been where the Kobe narratives run outta control. Re: the Duncan point, damn near everybody recognized those two as equals in their heyday, and in retrospect they are viewed of similar stature. This board has repeatedly given Kobe a stature over Duncan that isnt reflective of the reality while they were playing nor how most people views their careers next to each other...

How? Jordan, LeBron and Kareem definitely separated themselves from the rest of the players in the top ten. I think that 4-10 are interchangeable, but that top three isn't going anywhere.

100%...

 

[Versa]

Robert Horry low key a bytch for this. Tim musta not fukked with him LOL

 

[get these nets]

Career Stats:

19 PPG
10.8 RPG
3 APG
2.2 BPG
26,496 Points(25th All Time)
15,091 Rebounds(6th All Time)
3020 Blocks(5th All Time)
Player Efficiency Rating(14th All Time)
Win Shares(7th All Time)
Plus/Minus(15th All Time)
Value Over Replacement Player(6th All Time)


Achievements:

15x All-Star
15x All-NBA
15x All-Defensive
5x Champ
3x Finals MVP
2x League MVP
99-00 All-Star MVP
97-98 ROY
97-98 All-Rookie

Only thing that's not on there is a cartridge in a pear tree.

 

[Controversy]

How wasn't he a true PF? What the fukk makes a "true" PF? He was versatile enough to play center but he was a PF. Majority of his all star appearances are at the PF spot, all of his titles he won as a PF, he was drafted as a PF.

Nobody calls him a center except for a few remedial Coli nikkas

Pop himself called Duncan a C

 

[Tom Foolery]

Career Stats:

19 PPG
10.8 RPG
3 APG
2.2 BPG
26,496 Points(25th All Time)
15,091 Rebounds(6th All Time)
3020 Blocks(5th All Time)
Player Efficiency Rating(14th All Time)
Win Shares(7th All Time)
Plus/Minus(15th All Time)
Value Over Replacement Player(6th All Time)


Achievements:

15x All-Star
15x All-NBA
15x All-Defensive
5x Champ
3x Finals MVP
2x League MVP
99-00 All-Star MVP
97-98 ROY
97-98 All-Rookie

It's all about presentation. A year over year, don't look top 5.

 

[get these nets]

Tim isn't even unanimously regarded as a PF so this isn't true..
.

List the years when he was regarded as a PF and his resume stands above any other PF, the other rings and accolades were icing on the cake

 

[Controversy]

The best player conversation was dominated by bigs from the sport's inception until the 90s. Even still, Hakeem, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, and Duncan are all viewed as Top 10-esque players and a couple of those guys still get play as the best player ever from time to time...



Tim isn't even unanimously regarded as a PF so this isn't true...



This is 100,000% accurate and a point that I think most heads know but refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't fit an agenda. The LeBron/Kobe thing was done after '16 and to date the only heads who audaciously put Kobe over Bron are Kobe Stans/Bron haters...

The Jordan/Bron thing has always been closer than people want to admit and Jordan, a known narcissist, of course he felt uncomfortability with the comp and had to deflect and misdirect...

This board is the only place I've ever been where the Kobe narratives run outta control. Re: the Duncan point, damn near everybody recognized those two as equals in their heyday, and in retrospect they are viewed of similar stature. This board has repeatedly given Kobe a stature over Duncan that isnt reflective of the reality while they were playing nor how most people views their careers next to each other...



100%...

U tweakin cuh

Kob was elite for a good 7 seasons after Duncan was no longer truly elite

Duncan was a great player but Kobe was better, more skilled, more explosive, etc..

 

[Versa]

U tweakin cuh

Kob was elite for a good 7 seasons after Duncan was no longer truly elite

Duncan was a great player but Kobe was better, more skilled, more explosive, etc..

Kobe was more fun to watch and Kobe played for the most beloved franchise in basketball by a large margin.

Remove those two things and they're on the same level and it depends on what you favor and/or are looking for on your team.

They both perfected their craft at their respective positions. One was fun and exciting and the other was a boring Spur. That's all.

 

[mitter]

It's all about presentation. A year over year, don't look top 5.

I'm pretty sure I posted something like this 15 years ago on SOHH:

"Stats can be very misleading. 20 years from now, some stat geek will look at them and conclude that Karl Malone was a much better player than Tim Duncan."


If you actually watched the Spurs games from that era, you would see that:

1. Those numbers were put up in a slow-it-down, grind-it-out defense-oriented league by a slow-it-down, grind-it-out team

2. The Spurs' entire offense was predicated on the difficulty teams had guarding Duncan. Teams HAD to double-team Duncan in the low post, and that created wide-open shots for people like Bowen, Jackson, Horry, Finley, Barry, etc. Without Duncan there to command so much attention from defenses, the Spurs' offense simple would not have worked.


But I suppose people like you are more impressed by 27 ppg stat-stuffers who put up meaningless points on losing teams

 

[mitter]

Kob was elite for a good 7 seasons after Duncan was no longer truly elite

Kobe did outlast Tim as an elite player, but 7 seasons is a huge exaggeration.

Also, Duncan was clearly a better player than Kobe from 1997-2000. When it was all said and done, Kobe had a bit more longevity, but not THAT MUCH more.

 

[Tom Foolery]

I'm pretty sure I posted something like this 15 years ago on SOHH:

"Stats can be very misleading. 20 years from now, some stat geek will look at them and conclude that Karl Malone was a much better player than Tim Duncan."


If you actually watched the Spurs games from that era, you would see that:

1. Those numbers were put up in a slow-it-down, grind-it-out defense-oriented league by a slow-it-down, grind-it-out team

2. The Spurs' entire offense was predicated on the difficulty teams had guarding Duncan. Teams HAD to double-team Duncan in the low post, and that created wide-open shots for people like Bowen, Jackson, Horry, Finley, Barry, etc. Without Duncan there to command so much attention from defenses, the Spurs' offense simple would not have worked.


But I suppose people like you are more impressed by 27 ppg stat-stuffers who put up meaningless points on losing teams

If the argument was Malone vs Duncan, then you'd have a point.

But the thread is Duncan being Top 5 all-time. That's why you're off-base.