Thoughts?: We will ever see a fully developed African country?

[King]

No they wouldn’t, bro sit this one out you’ve never even been to Africa. Rwanda alone has shown that it’s more than possible. Now weather you agreed with kagame methods is a different matter

what would help most of these countries is then ditching capitalism and switching to socialism that along would improve infrastructure and create actual viable programs

Impossible to do without extreme consequences, that has never worked well for any country.

We don’t live in a fairy tale land. Nor does a country exist in a vacuum especially Rwanda.

Any country that seeks to challenge global capitalist imperialism will have to go to war with these economic powers. Or play their game. Just look at how many socialist movements were destroyed in Africa by those powers. Just look to the USSR to see how far in development any country has ever gotten in regards to socialism.

On the flip side, an African country could go the China route of racing to build nukes. And then transitioning full swing into state-capitalism built off slave labor and massive exploitation/inequality.

One thing you have mistaken is the definition of “developed” in my view you cannot be a developed county unless you are a global threat to capitalist imperialist empires. Rwanda is nowhere near that.

Sit this one out, you obviously don’t understand how communism works in practice breh.

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

Saying no is the same thing as saying black people will always be at the bottom, y'all believe that?

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Impossible to do without extreme consequences, that has never worked well for any country.

We don’t live in a fairy tale land. Nor does a country exist in a vacuum especially Rwanda.

Any country that seeks to challenge global capitalist imperialism will have to go to war with these economic powers. Or play their game. Just look at how many socialist movements were destroyed in Africa by those powers. Just look to the USSR to see how far in development any country has ever gotten in regards to socialism.

On the flip side, an African country could go the China route of racing to build nukes. And then transitioning full swing into state-capitalism built off slave labor and massive exploitation/inequality.

One thing you have mistaken is the definition of “developed” in my view you cannot be a developed county unless you are a global threat to capitalist imperialist empires. Rwanda is nowhere near that.

Sit this one out, you obviously don’t understand how communism works in practice breh.

Challenging imperialism is a given but you said they must also become one no they don’t. Is a Japan an imperial power currently? How about Switzerland? Don’t move the goal post

And socialism is definitely possible look at Cuba If not for the fukk ups of America it definitely wouldn’t have been in a better place

did you just equate communism with socialism

Yeah you have no clue what you’re talking about

 

[get these nets]

"The N is the one who would even think about answering that question"

 

[King]

Challenging imperialism is a given but you said they must also become one no they don’t. Is a Japan an imperial power currently? How about Switzerland? Don’t move the goal post

And socialism is definitely possible look at Cuba If not for the fukk ups of America it definitely wouldn’t have been in a better place

did you just equate communism with socialism

Yeah you have no clue what you’re talking about

No, Japan is an extension of the US strategic military positioning. Aka a tool within imperialism. They don’t even have their own fukking military, the US is their fukking military Hell, if they even tried to shift towards socialism and connect with China the US would shut that shyt down in a second.

Switzerland has directly profited from imperialism since it’s inception. They were damn near the entire fukking bank of Europe, they still are to a large degree. They don’t exist in some fukking vacuum

And nikka do you not understand that socialism is a step within communism? With the ultimate goal BEING communism???? I swear you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about it’s insane

And Cuba did not emerge with socialism out of nowhere, they’re catalyst was aided with the help of the most massive socialist benefactor in existence, WITH NUKES. There are NO nukes in the entire continent Africa, stop trying to equate the two like they’re even remotely similar.

And the goal posts were never moved. Re read what I already wrote. You’re tryna shift shyt by bringing up countries completely irrelevant to Africa and socialism.

Goddamn these smooth brained mfers bold as hell. How about you take a step into a library before you run your mouth?

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

No, Japan is an extension of the US strategic military positioning. Aka a tool within imperialism. They don’t even have their own fukking military, the US is their fukking military Hell, if they even tried to shift towards socialism and connect with China the US would shut that shyt down in a second.

Switzerland has directly profited from imperialism since it’s inception. They were damn near the entire fukking bank of Europe, they still are to a large degree. They don’t exist in some fukking vacuum

And nikka do you not understand that socialism is a step within communism? With the ultimate goal BEING communism???? I swear you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about it’s insane

And Cuba did not emerge with socialism out of nowhere, they’re catalyst was aided with the help of the most massive socialist benefactor in existence, WITH NUKES. There are NO nukes in the entire continent Africa, stop trying to equate the two like they’re even remotely similar.

And the goal posts were never moved. Re read what I already wrote. You’re tryna shift shyt by bringing up countries completely irrelevant to Africa and socialism.

Goddamn these smooth brained mfers bold as hell. How about you take a step into a library before you run your mouth?

i was not including the American hegemony and their extensions in current nations I’m taking about the nations themselves they are not an imperialist state but they are an extension of another in fact all countries are an extension of one form or another regardless if they themselves are not

also there is no PURE form of socialism OR communism, you said communism don’t retract Now in 2nd post. I said socialism and for a reason there’s many different forms of socialism they can engage in why you chose to equate that solely to communism is beyond me

Nah you definitely tried to flip on that 2nd post

 

[Gunz&Butta]

I hope to see African countries with citizens who are proud, fulfilled, can defend themselves and enjoy human rights.

But y'all can miss me with the skyscrapers and all the other bullshyt. Keep Africa green!

 

[Zime]

No

 

[King]

i was not including the American hegemony and their extensions in current nations I’m taking about the nations themselves they are not an imperialist state but they are an extension of another in fact all countries are an extension of one form or another regardless if they themselves are not

also there is no PURE form of socialism OR communism, you said communism don’t retract Now in 2nd post. I said socialism and for a reason there’s many different forms of socialism they can engage in why you chose to equate that solely to communism is beyond me

Nah you definitely tried to flip on that 2nd post

That’s literally what I’ve been saying the entire time. Why are you trying to shift goal posts and twist my words around like it’ll change fact?

Sit this one out, you obviously don’t understand how communism works in practice breh.

In practice, aka in PRACTICE, socialism must exist as a precursor for a communist state to emerge. Therefore, if a socialist state emerges, it is ultimately doing so with the ultimate goal of becoming a communist state. I have never NOT said this, and NOT once did I bring up”pure” communism or “pure” socialism as if those two systems exist in a vacuum.

And look at this bullshyt, you JUST shifted the goal post. You need to start pointing the finger at yourself and your lack of an actual point.

i was not including the American hegemony and their extensions in current nations I’m taking about the nations themselves they are not an imperialist state but they are an extension of another in fact all countries are an extension of one form or another regardless if they themselves are not

“W-well I wasn’t talking nations serving global imperialist powers, b-but the nations themselves aren’t imperialist because t-technically every country is imperialist by extension ”

Breh just stop talking goddamn

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

That’s literally what I’ve been saying the entire time. Why are you trying to shift goal posts and twist my words around like it’ll change fact?

In practice, socialism must exist as a precursor for a communist state to emerge. Therefore, if a socialist state emerges, it is ultimately doing so with the ultimate goal of becoming communist.

And look at this bullshyt, you JUST shifted the goal post. You need to start pointing the finger at yourself and your lack of an actual point.



“W-well I wasn’t talking nations serving global imperialist powers, b-but the nations themselves aren’t imperialist because t-technically every country is imperialist by extension ”

Breh just stop talking goddamn

You literally said communism in your second post versus me saying socialism in mine. Again why was that your first source of reference .

Or better yet let me rephrase, a type of socialism is needed and that absolutely does not have to be nor should it be communism there is that good enough for you

Most countries are imperialist extensions, what do you think colonialism is?

 

[Tom Foolery]

Hell you don't even have a fully developed America.

Outside of major cities, all countries are basically shytholes.

 

[King]

You literally said communism in your second post versus me saying socialism in mine. Again why was that your first source of reference .

Or better yet let me rephrase, a type of socialism is needed and that absolutely does not have to be nor should it be communism there is that good enough for you

Most countries are imperialist extensions, what do you think colonialism is?

socialism exists as a precursor for a communist state to emerge.

Again, you don’t even understand communism. As I said, pick up a book and learn fact before you step foot with your opinions.

Throwing words around and shifting goal posts won’t help you.

 

[Htrb-nvr-blk-&-ug-as-evr]

If you've never been to an African country, then your take on this is useless. Been to Ghana three times, Nigeria twice, and Gabon and I will tell you that there are many areas in those countries that make America look 3rd world.

Tech has boomed and the health care system there has drastically improved since the past 20 years.

It depends what parts of Africa you are talking about.

I can see Ghana, Tanzania, Kenya, Rwanda and Botswana leading the charge for African world powers. They would have to fix politic instabilities, corruption and human rights issues first. Yet, I really believe the aforementioned countries will be the first of many to rise in Black Africa.

Countries like Nigeria, DRC, Angola, Ethiopia and Cameroon are also key to African global empowerment but they have a large amount of problems which must be rectified very deeply. It’s not impossible but it would be some real work.

Africa is full of young people who are hungry to change the world. As others have said tech is about to boom and lastly, there is a growing desire to nation build in the diaspora. I’m Zimbabwean. Zim in its current state is a dumpster fire but it can be rectified with good governance and a strong economy.

I’d love to build a tech startup in Botswana or Mozambique first then move business into Zim to replenish the country. Then I’d expand into other parts of Africa. It’s work but it’s possible.

Often times a country on its way to becoming an economic power has a valuable resource to build on like oil for the Middle East…what valuable resources can these countries export to increase their presence? I know Africa is rich in diamonds and it’s a shame they couldn’t develop and corner that market before those cacs stole it…

 

[Wiseborn]

Absolutely we will.

 

[Wiseborn]

No, not in our lifetime. For the same reason you won't see a fully developed Caribbean, Southern Asian, Central and most South American countries.

These nations were created to be nothing more then factories

Are you saying that Barbados and the Bahamas aren't "developed"?

Neither one is a "factory" Although you'd need factories to form an economic base and a Military base.

The only reason I'd not really count them as "developed countries" is because they're so small.