Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[TRY GOD]

I really don't understand how people can take issue with what Sowell said. We have a community that settles for mediocrity and the use of racism as an excuse to do so.

you never answered my questions, even tho I answered and corrected you. or where you trolling sir?

 

[DEAD7]

@DEAD7 @acewonders @OrdellRobbie

they aint got the answers

 

[TRY GOD]

So are you going to answer my question or are you going to continue to Troll?

@DEAD7 @OrdellRobbie

WHY ARE WHITE PEOPLE, the peolple who make up a 77% MAJORITY population in the United States, Who have the Most Power, Money, and Political influence, the HIGHEST RACE OF PEOPLE IN THE US ON WELFARE?

WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE BLACK BUT ARE NOT AT?

WHATS THAT PERCENTAGE?

 

[Doobie Doo]

Less than a week ago, renowned economist Thomas Sowell once again attacked welfare and the effect that it's had on the black community. In an interview with Frontpage Mag, he stated the following (in bold) in response to a question about President Obama's speech on race (in which he linked the disparities in the black community to slavery and Jim Crow).

From the interview....

"David Hogberg: Now, let me go back to President Obama’s speech on race for a minute. In it he states, “[W]e do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.” Do you agree with that?

Thomas Sowell: They’re always talking about a legacy of “slavery,” and they use that as an excuse for crime and broken families and so on. Yet in the first half of the 20th century, you’d have a hard time finding five ghetto riots like that of Ferguson. In the second half of the 20th century, you can choose from at least 100. If that is a legacy of anything, it is the legacy of something that came along in the second half of the 20th century. It is the legacy of a liberal-left vision of the world and the policies based on it, both as regards law enforcement and welfare. Welfare alone has had an enormous impact. And it’s not just the welfare itself, the material goods that are provided. In a democracy you can’t have a welfare system unless you first have a welfare-state ideology that triumphs. And that ideology is non-judgmental, it makes excuses for things that are wrong, and it subsidizes things that are wrong.

People have no idea that the black community in the first half of the 20th century was from the point of view of common decency miles ahead of the ghettos of today, especially places like Ferguson. Harlem in the 1920s was a place where many whites, including many white celebrities, frequented. And it was not only for the entertainment places like the Cotton Club and so on, but places where they met with the black elite of that time. Back then, no one worried about being mugged. I was a grocery delivery boy in that area. On Saturday nights I’d work until midnight and then I’d walk home. I weighed about 100 pounds soaking wet, yet no one ever bothered me, no policeman ever stopped me. This notion that you have to be afraid of the cops, they’re out to get you and so forth, there was nothing of that sort.

The blacks in first half of the 20th century had a decency that is long since gone, but they had that at a time when they were even closer to the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow than are blacks today."

The link to the entire interview: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/david-hogberg/thomas-sowell-on-inequality/

Sowell (who has also been critical of affirmative action) has long criticized welfare and, particularly, its effect on the black community. Here is a video from 1980 showing Thomas Sowell debating then-Pennsylvania Secretary of Welfare Helen O'Banion on the dynamics of welfare:





What do y'all think about Sowell's stance?

Is he correct in stating that welfare has had a more deleterious effect on the black community than even slavery or Jim Crow?

Would you agree that welfare does more harm to our community than good?

Sowell lost me with that original claim. NO RIOTS in the first half of the century compared to 2nd half, is this nikka fukkING SERIOUS?????? Black Wallstreet in Oklahoma, Chicago race riots, Boston Race Riots, And lets not even mention the South and now in the 2nd half of the century the riots were worse? Is he forreal?

 

[godkiller]

Farm subsidies are welfare too.The loans the USA gives to teh Europeans to cover their debt is welfare. Bailouts are also welfare. Notice how all the aforementioned people utilize welfare to better their circumstances -- but nevertheless collect welfare. Where is the railing? I don't believe welfare is itself to blame for black American ills. The Israelis partly live on welfare too and their society is fine. I think the problem is how the welfare money is spent and whether the programs the USA spends its money on actually work. The problem I see is that there isn't any initiative to truly explore ways to help the poor because middle class and higher cacs don't care about poor people (especially blacks). So long as the upper class can live in their sequestered little gated villages, they could care less what happens elsewhere.

 

[Jhoon]

I really don't understand how people can take issue with what Sowell said. We have a community that settles for mediocrity and the use of racism as an excuse to do so.

Your post is a continuation of the ramblings of an old senile punk. Of course you wouldnt have any issues with what he says.

 

[Art Barr]

the problem with

That ain't gonna happen. It's those 10% of blacks who won't break their neck to give it back to the white man is the problem. Turn around and make those black millionaires and billionaires? Plenty of black people have sense and know what to do with money...that's the problem.

they fear us with resources or dead broke.


Art Barr

 

[Jhoon]

you never answered my questions, even tho I answered and corrected you. or where you trolling sir?

If im correct, those guys arent even taken seriously on thier block (higher learning) so they came over here to start fresh. To quote Cam "dont let him fool you. Hes a homo."

 

[ignorethis]

Sowell lost me with that original claim. NO RIOTS in the first half of the century compared to 2nd half, is this nikka fukkING SERIOUS?????? Black Wallstreet in Oklahoma, Chicago race riots, Boston Race Riots, And lets not even mention the South and now in the 2nd half of the century the riots were worse? Is he forreal?

As fukked up as it sounds, those were white riots with blacks mostly being the victims; I'm pretty sure he meant black riots.

 

[ignorethis]

Farm subsidies are welfare too.The loans the USA gives to teh Europeans to cover their debt is welfare. Bailouts are also welfare. Notice how all the aforementioned people utilize welfare to better their circumstances -- but nevertheless collect welfare. Where is the railing? I don't believe welfare is itself to blame for black American ills. The Israelis partly live on welfare too and their society is fine. I think the problem is how the welfare money is spent and whether the programs the USA spends its money on actually work. The problem I see is that there isn't any initiative to truly explore ways to help the poor because middle class and higher cacs don't care about poor people (especially blacks). So long as the upper class can live in their sequestered little gated villages, they could care less what happens elsewhere.

Farm subsidies are trash though we should cut them as well, for different reasons.

But back to the topic, the main focus of Sowell in the OP and always was the effects of welfare on the black family and in turn the black community, most of the people in this thread going against Sowell did not challenge that idea.

 

[TRY GOD]

Farm subsidies are trash though we should cut them as well, for different reasons.

But back to the topic, the main focus of Sowell in the OP and always was the effects of welfare on the black family and in turn the black community, most of the people in this thread going against Sowell did not challenge that idea.

Because White supremacy is the problem, not welfare. White people are the prime benefactors of welfare than any other race. Why are we not talking about why a 77% majority population consisting of white citizens; who of which have all the money, power, and resources; are also the recipients of the highest welfare cases?

 

[King Poetic]

Never take half of these internet militants opinions serious..

Welfare system especially the last 16 years has become a crutch for nikkas, especially for lazy Motherfukkers who continue to get knock up and take advantage of the system...

I work with hard working sisters who wasn't making enough money and had 2 kids and they couldn't get welfare cause the system said they made to much.. most of them was living in and out of different homes, while that lazy no good filthy harlot hoes was able to get welfare...

The system needs rework

 

[DEAD7]

Because White supremacy is the problem, not welfare. White people are the prime benefactors of welfare than any other race. Why are we not talking about why a 77% majority population consisting of white citizens; who of which have all the money, power, and resources; are also the recipients of the highest welfare cases?

 

[Jhoon]

Farm subsidies are trash though we should cut them as well, for different reasons.

But back to the topic, the main focus of Sowell in the OP and always was the effects of welfare on the black family and in turn the black community, most of the people in this thread going against Sowell did not challenge that idea.

Not all subsidies are bad. Not all tax credits are bad. Not all welfare is bad. The majority of those government programs arent bad.

The problem with the welfare has ruined the black family crowd is that their emperical proof doesnt exist. But if you want to talk about welfare being used as a clutch, lets talk about corporations. The proof is right there.

 

[godkiller]

Farm subsidies are trash though we should cut them as well, for different reasons.

But back to the topic, the main focus of Sowell in the OP and always was the effects of welfare on the black family and in turn the black community, most of the people in this thread going against Sowell did not challenge that idea.

Welfare already exists all over the national and international spectrum -- and people objectively benefit all the time. Farm subsidies (welfare) help US farmers stay profitable and the surplus food serves as a diplomatic tool when the US negotiates with poorer countries. Food welfare helps farmers to little fanfare so nobody cares to talk about it but it's still welfare and still happening. Moreover, the GI Bill and US land repatriation were essentially handouts. The key difference between food stamps welfare and the aforementioned versions of welfare is that the latter reincarnations are tied to market conditions and employment. For example, Congress doles out farm subsidies and farmers take advantage of market share and space in the food market. Congress spots a need for more workers and serves up the GI Bill with jobs waiting for graduates. The list goes on. There's no market allocation or thought that goes into food stamp welfare because Congress doesn't care to cater welfare to today's poor constituents. In the past Congress had a great interest in creating tailored programs but now since most of the US population is solidly middle class, there's little incentive.