This is Why Floyd Mayweather will never be TBE

[Master Teacher]

Let alone the fact that SRL had to move UP to 160 to fight Marvin Hagler....and still beat him fresh off of 3 years of ring rust from the sport with no warm up fight or nothing


Again, the only equivalent to that would be Floyd going up to 160, fighting GGG and beating him.....and even THEN, GGG is not in Marvin Hagler's class so it would still be a lesser victory


That's why those fighters are held in such high esteem by respected journalists/reporters/writers/hardcore fans

Moving up to 160 is nothing for SRL he started at WW Floyd started at super featherweight, Floyd can never fight at super middleweight like Leonard did

how is that the same

Why are you acting like Floyd is the same size of as Ray Leonard, Hearns, Hagler,

If Floyd was SRL size he would be Light Heavyweight Champion right that's how much of a size difference it is

If he fought in the same era has them, the only person he would likely have fought was Duran, because by the time he went to Welterweight they would all be super middleweights

 

[Master Teacher]

What's always going to hurt Floyd the most in these H2H match ups is that we never got to see him fight against someone just as overall good as himself. So these bouts come down to potential based off of him beating B/B+ level guys in his career.

For example, It's easy to say SRL beats guys like Trinidad, Oscar, and Quartey (2nd tier great welters) because he's already been in against guys like Hearns, Benitez, Duran etc.. that are better.

With Floyd for example, we're looking at his fights against guys like Judah and Hatton, and wonder if he'd be able to beat much higher classes of boxers in SRL, Hearns, Duran, etc..

That's a big ass step up, even for a guy as skilled as Floyd. In addition to that, he's not as physically strong or as imposing as those older generation of boxers.

Dude boxed cautious as hell against Canelo who is naturally bigger and while being a good fighter, is nowhere near being great.. Killers like SRL, Duran, Hearns wouldn't let Mayweather get away with boxing like that.

I know some in here will disagree with this post, and that's cool, but at least try to understand where some of us are coming from when we say shyt like Floyd loses to Hearns, SRL, Duran, etc..

Outside of Hearns, Duran, and Hagler, who was really on sugar ray's level in his era

nobody is has good as Floyd thats the point, the man is 38 years old and still on top

 

[seemorecizzy]

This is all I see every time this lame responds to floyd related topics.

what kinda gay shyt is dis

this site getting weirder by the day

 

[NormanConnors]

But he (and others) are saying that Floyd's the best all time.

Of course you're going to pit him against boxing giants, you twerp.



Edit - I guess you meant giants in terms of weight.

But Hagler fought the lighter guys mentioned.

Hagler was a bully that stayed in the same weight class his entire career. Let's not act Floyd hasn't chopped down giants that come in 20lbs heavier than him before though

 

[Newzz]

Hagler was a bully that stayed in the same weight class his entire career. Let's not act Floyd hasn't chopped down giants that come in 20lbs heavier than him before though

But he aint never fought anybody as good as Marvin Hagler at any weight period....then add on a 20lb weight advantage and you get a fight Floyd could not win

 

[That Good 510]

Outside of Hearns, Duran, and Hagler, who was really on sugar ray's level in his era

nobody is has good as Floyd thats the point, the man is 38 years old and still on top

You left out Wilfredo Benitez

 

[Master Teacher]

You left out Wilfredo Benitez

I guess Kirkland Laing is on their level too since he beat Duran by a decision just like beneitez

so benitez can get put on their level, but the greatest Puerto Rican fighter ever Felix Trinidad is second tier according to posters in this thread
this is the type of bullshyt I'm talking about

people always overrate past eras to make an argument

Hagler only fought at middleweight, a weight class Floyd has never competed in and is at the end of the career, yet he's suppose to be the barometer

 

[King P]

I guess Kirkland Laing is on their level too since he beat Duran by a decision just like beneitez

so benitez can get put on their level, but the greatest Puerto Rican fighter ever Felix Trinidad is second tier according to posters in this thread
this is the type of bullshyt I'm talking about

people always overrate past eras to make an argument

Hagler only fought at middleweight, a weight class Floyd has never competed in and is at the end of the career, yet he's suppose to be the barometer

Benitez is on that level though. Talent wise, he's an all time great. One of the greatest defensive fighters of all time. Youngest fighter to win a world title (17 years old)

I do think putting Hagler in this convo (head to head anyways) is silly though, for that reason.

 

[Master Teacher]

Benitez is on that level though. Talent wise, he's an all time great. One of the greatest defensive fighters of all time. Youngest fighter to win a world title (17 years old)

I do think putting Hagler in this convo (head to head anyways) is silly though, for that reason.

that's not the point I was making, Benitez is not better than Trinidad, when its all said and done, he might not even be the second best fighter from puerto rico, but you got people calling trinidad second tier just to boost up that era

 

[That Good 510]

that's not the point I was making, Benitez is not better than Trinidad, when its all said and done, he might not even be the second best fighter from puerto rico, but you got people calling trinidad second tier just to boost up that era

Now Tito is my favorite boxer of all time but what makes him better than Benitez? I'm curious and as far as Puerto Rican fighters I rank Bazooka above both

 

[King P]

that's not the point I was making, Benitez is not better than Trinidad, when its all said and done, he might not even be the second best fighter from puerto rico, but you got people calling trinidad second tier just to boost up that era

Now Tito is my favorite boxer of all time but what makes him better than Benitez? I'm curious and as far as Puerto Rican fighters I rank Bazooka above both

From an ATG standpoint, Trinidad is better and should be ranked higher due to his superior resume. However from a talent/skills standpoint, Benitez is the better fighter and would school Tito in a H2H matchup.

As far as ranking the PR fighters, my Top 5 goes like this...

1) Carlos Ortiz
2) Wilfredo Gomez
3) Tito Trinidad
4) Wilfred Benitez
5) Hector Camacho

And no Trinidad was not no 2nd fukking tier, in his prime he was elite and a top tier fighter

 

[Newzz]

that's not the point I was making, Benitez is not better than Trinidad, when its all said and done, he might not even be the second best fighter from puerto rico, but you got people calling trinidad second tier just to boost up that era

Who called Felix Trinidad "2nd tier" and in what context?


Was he being compared to the SRLs, Roberto Duran's, Thomas Hearns, SRR's of 147?


Post a quote or something

 

[Master Teacher]

Now Tito is my favorite boxer of all time but what makes him better than Benitez? I'm curious and as far as Puerto Rican fighters I rank Bazooka above both

Trinidad never lost to any brawlers let alone get KO'd in the second round in his prime like Benitez did to guy who was basically a brawler Hilton, he only got stopped by Hopkins who is still fighting to this day for one

 

[Master Teacher]

What's always going to hurt Floyd the most in these H2H match ups is that we never got to see him fight against someone just as overall good as himself. So these bouts come down to potential based off of him beating B/B+ level guys in his career.

For example, It's easy to say SRL beats guys like Trinidad, Oscar, and Quartey (2nd tier great welters) because he's already been in against guys like Hearns, Benitez, Duran etc.. that are better.

With Floyd for example, we're looking at his fights against guys like Judah and Hatton, and wonder if he'd be able to beat much higher classes of boxers in SRL, Hearns, Duran, etc..

That's a big ass step up, even for a guy as skilled as Floyd. In addition to that, he's not as physically strong or as imposing as those older generation of boxers.

Dude boxed cautious as hell against Canelo who is naturally bigger and while being a good fighter, is nowhere near being great.. Killers like SRL, Duran, Hearns wouldn't let Mayweather get away with boxing like that.

I know some in here will disagree with this post, and that's cool, but at least try to understand where some of us are coming from when we say shyt like Floyd loses to Hearns, SRL, Duran, etc..

@Newzz you dapped the post your self cosigning kneegrow

 

[Newzz]

Trinidad never lost to any brawlers let alone get KO'd in the second round in his prime like Benitez did to guy who was basically a brawler Hilton, he only got stopped by Hopkins who is still fighting to this day for one

Benitez was already out of his prime by the time he fought Matthew Hilton though. He was washed up in his mid 20s.


He started as a Pro in 1973 at 15 years old, won his 1st Championship from a LEGEND in Antonio Cervantes at only 17 years old, and was washed up from years of professionally boxing already in his mid 20s. He fought Hilton 13 years after his debut fight.


Matter of fact, his last 16 fights, he went 9-7 (including the loss to HIlton at 154). He was DONE by that time.


Hilton did go on to become Champion at 154 as well, so it's not that bad of a loss as you're making it sound.