Things in hip hop that are so forgotten they feel retconned

[DaveyDave]

As far as I know, I’ve seen separate interviews from both saying it’s done. No idea why it never dropped. There’s a Mystikal album produced by Mannie that never came out either

label politics most likely

 

[EA]

Never heard of the Phonte, Cole and Drake track

They were working on the track around the time of this video. I think Drake even mentions it and they bleeped it out.

 

[FreshAIG]

This is an amazing thread

Ice Cube and Dr. Dre "Helter Skelter" album being promoted in the Doggystyle CD booklet

Snoop Dogg had an album before Doggystyle called "Over the Counter" that created in 1991 when Death Row was still Future Shock. Only a few copies were ever sent to record stores, but this part of his history is completely ignored.

Jay-Z subtly claiming Crip during the Volume 3 era

Joe Budden was signed to Roc-A-Fella right at the end/right before their break up and actually did a Roc-A-Fella posse cut that featured Raekwon.

When Jay-Z first dropped, he claimed Reasonable Doubt was a 1 and done. That's was gonna be his last album, and was gonna go into CEO mode.

Busta Rhymes bodyguard getting killed by someone from G-Unit during a video shoot after Tony Yayo and Swizz got into an argument. It stems from Cassidy/G-Unit beef. This is pretty much wiped away from history.

Juelz Santana was in a group called "Draftpick" and signed to Priority Records in 1997. They even had a single with Memphis Bleek in 1998. All this well before he signed with Dipset. He does mention Draftpick sometimes, but rarely.

Nelly and Eminem beef

 

[Sinister]

Crack A Bottle was originally a Detox single?

The reference track Em did has 2 verses meants for Dre

Also I remember reading they weren't sure whether it would be on relapse, detox or bisd

 

[FreshAIG]

There's a different version of Dipset Anthem when it was titled "Gangsta Music" and the chorus was different but Juelz had to change it because I think Scarface wouldn't clear a sample. I don't remember all the details but I remember this.

Big Daddy Kane ghostwriting from Quincy Jones

Biggie having a REAL song with Michael Jackson

Papoose goons beating Uncle Murda outside of a club

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Jermaine Dupri dating Janet Jackson. It was so hard to believe it happening even in real time, so now it seems like a myth

Mike Tyson having a record label. It was advertised in The Source, and a chick on the label sang the national anthem before one of his fights

Shaq having a platinum album

 

[DaMos Supreme]

There's a different version of Dipset Anthem when it was titled "Gangsta Music" and the chorus was different but Juelz had to change it because I think Scarface wouldn't clear a sample. I don't remember all the details but I remember this.

Yep. I definitely remember that version and preferred it over the more common one now. I can never find that version. I want to say 50 even had a freestyle in which he did an interpretation of the original chorus.

As far as for this thread, it seems that Jay-Z and Busta Rhymes had beef. Well it was more on Busta for being offended by what Jay had said on ‘What More Can I Say..’ Busta supposedly had a a diss track ready and Kay Slay was going to drop it, but Busta was trying to backtrack. Kay was pissed and started to call Busta out.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Pharrell saying the Ray J “Wait a Minute” beat was for Eminem. Said eminem did 1 verse then never came back to the studio to work with him

All praises due to Allah.... Eminem would've spit some cornball shyt and we never would've got the classic from Ray J

 

[FreshAIG]

Yep. I definitely remember that version and preferred it over the more common one now. I can never find that version. I want to say 50 even had a freestyle in which he did an interpretation of the original chorus.

As far as for this thread, it seems that Jay-Z and Busta Rhymes had beef. Well it was more on Busta for being offended by what Jay had said on ‘What More Can I Say..’ Busta supposedly had a a diss track ready and Kay Slay was going to drop it, but Busta was trying to backtrack. Kay was pissed and started to call Busta out.

Yessir

 

[dh86]

I still don’t know what the Nas and Murder Inc thing was about

 

[FreshAIG]

I still don’t know what the Nas and Murder Inc thing was about

I always found the Nas/Murda Inc connection especially weird considering Preme killed E Money Bags who was really close friends with Nas, and Irv being close with Jay and Nas and Jay being in a rap feud at the time.

It was a very strange situation, that never fully been explored.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Diddy going on a campaign in the early 2000s to buy the Knicks

Everyone on early CMR being addicted to Heroin and rapping about it

Rhymefest getting an Oscar for writing a song about MLK for Common

8ball and MJG on badboy

T.I.P. Became T.I. because he was on the same label with QTIP and the label thought it bad for branding. T.I. doesn’t stand for anything

 

[thaKEAF]

Dope thread.

TI and Wayne seeming to have some type of beef between 06-07. They went from working together to TI sounding like he was dissing him on Im Talking to You. Also let Jay diss him on the next album after that.

Ross and TI beefing over the “just doing my job” beat.

CRS album with Kanye, lupe and Pharrell. Rumored album from Nas, Cube and Scarface back around 2008.

50 announcing he was dropping an album With the name (can’t remember it) in 2006 but didn’t do anything.

Kendrick being all over some of those Game/BWS mixtapes around 2006.

The million dollar beat that The Neptune’s made for Nas.

Em and 50 getting at Ja over the Hail Mary beat.

Nas making a bio track on Rakim and he got pissed off about it.

Cam getting shot and claiming he saw nikkas throw the diamond up before they hit him

Bhris Brown trying to come back too soon after the domestic shyt with Rihanna. nikka bricked and was crying on social media that he can’t be a mixtape artist

Drake hitting the dougie and other dance moves on stage when he was touring for so far gone eventually injured himself and had to cancel the tour

Chamillionaire deciding to not curse in his raps. Also kept releasing singles about cops after the success of riding dirty

TI killing all his buzz after getting locked up AGAIN after getting out on the gun charges. Paper Trail was his biggest album but couldn’t even put out a real follow up. Career hasn’t been the same since.

Kanye working with 9th and Little Brother pre CD.

Yo Gotti and Starlito originally being under Cash Money in some way.

Wayne and Birdman beefing with R Kelly over BM and R Kelly supposed to have released a best of both worlds 2

R Kelly getting ran off the 2004 tour he had with Jay. claimed dudes in the crowd of MSG was pointing guns at him.

Nas artist Quan going crazy and stabbing his eye out.

Ross successfully going up against 50 and Em. Repeatedly calling Em a honkey in songs and interviews

Em saying he wanted to come back dissing Wayne and Kanye due to their success during his hiatus

The MTV top rappers list they did during the mid to late 2000s. It was a pretty big deal..people hated on it but for mainstream they did a good job. I’d hate to see them try to do one now

the Kanye/50 September 11th thing. It was so huge at the time but it’s like it never happened.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

 

[Funcrusher]

Nas's original God's Son is something that gets lost in the shuffle. The version that was released was a more "peaceful" album than the one he was going to release. Nas was about to Makaveli the game, but decided near the last minute to change the direction of the album. He was letting everybody have it. Some of the titles were:

F Hot (getting at Hot 97)

Grimey Ways

Crabs In A Barrel

My Will (part of this leaked as "Honeymoon Over")

There was an alternate version of "Hey Nas" produced by The Tracmasters featuring XO. "Ridin' Broke" was the Braveheart joint instead of "Zone Out". The album was 12 songs as the tracklist was up on Amazon.

So many albums that were basically retconned by the retail version (Murda Muzik, Bulletproof Wallets, Tical, Pretty Toney album) One of the things that bums me out most when thinking of rap music and dope things that never materialized.