Things in hip hop that are so forgotten they feel retconned

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Havoc dissing Prodigy on Separated (Real From the Fake).

It's like it never happened, always liked the song though
That whole beef was weird. I’m so glad it’s been retconned.

Havoc also dissed P on Same shyt Different Day, and P took a subliminal diss at Havoc on Black Devil.
 

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-Ice Cube signing to Aftermath in 02-03
-Mystikal signing to Cash Money fresh outta jail in 2010 (egregiously disappointing)
-TI & Tiny getting arrested with personal amounts of crystal meth
-Mase coming back to hip-hop in 2011-12 and signing to MMG
-When Prodigy & Havoc beefed for a lil bit and Hav started posting weird gay shyt & dikk pics on Twitter :dame:
-Travis Scott had MAD shady shyt attached to him when he first started bubbling
-Scarface blatantly LYING on Lil Flip during the TI beef
-Cam & 50 beefing then Jim and Juelz got on stage with G-Unit outta nowhere (doesn't really get talked about but this was some LAME HOE shyt Jimmy and Santana did)
 

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-Ice Cube signing to Aftermath in 02-03
-Mystikal signing to Cash Money fresh outta jail in 2010 (egregiously disappointing)
-TI & Tiny getting arrested with personal amounts of crystal meth
-Mase coming back to hip-hop in 2011-12 and signing to MMG
-When Prodigy & Havoc beefed for a lil bit and Hav started posting weird gay shyt & dikk pics on Twitter :dame:
-Travis Scott had MAD shady shyt attached to him when he first started bubbling
-Scarface blatantly LYING on Lil Flip during the TI beef
-Cam & 50 beefing then Jim and Juelz got on stage with G-Unit outta nowhere (doesn't really get talked about but this was some LAME HOE shyt Jimmy and Santana did)
:ohhh: Please elaborate
 

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Eazy E - Str8 Of The Street of Muthaphukkin Compton supposed to be a double CD but he got sick and never finished it.

Hype Williams was slated to direct the Speed Racer movie

RBX "Blunt Time" beat was given to Pac for All Eyez On Me but he rejected it for "Can't C Me".

Can't C Me was originally for Dre/Cube's Helter Skelter but was given to the Dogg Pound. Suge didn't want Dre beats on Dogg Food to solidify Daz as a producer so they gave it to Pac in the end.
 

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T.I. being a writer and ghostwriter. He wrote songs for Bow Wow and Dr. Dre. He wrote the hook on Mystikal's "Come See About Me". He's allegedly written for other artists among which are Lil Kim.

T.I. started calling himself "King of the South" because Mystikal was calling himself "Black Prince of the South". T.I. was like "why isn't dude calling himself king and ran with the title himself". Nobody talks about that though. T.I. once threw shots at Mystikal in The Source because he didn't get paid for writing the hook on "Come See About Me". He and Mystikal squashed whatever problems existed as T.I. remade "Here I Go" in 2013 and Mystikal was featured.
 

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I was all the way around then.

EVERY producer who was worth something from a credible perspective was jockin his shyt like a motherfukker. He was your favourite producers producer either vocally or on the low.

If anyone tells you otherwise they don't know whats up

Not really true. When the Ummah sound came through viaTribe called Quest on beats rhymes and life ... It was pretty widely considered that tribe had lost a step. This isn't to say that by the time of his death JD wasn't well regarded, but he certainly didn't step in the hip hop production game with every one jocking his style. Even at the time of his passing while we was considered great, he was somewhere between a mad lib and a dj hi tek. Who are super credible super respected all around great producers, but it's really post death that he reached the rarified air...
 

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Not really true. When the Ummah sound came through viaTribe called Quest on beats rhymes and life ... It was pretty widely considered that tribe had lost a step. This isn't to say that by the time of his death JD wasn't well regarded, but he certainly didn't step in the hip hop production game with every one jocking his style. Even at the time of his passing while we was considered great, he was somewhere between a mad lib and a dj hi tek. Who are super credible super respected all around great producers, but it's really post death that he reached the rarified air...

I don't agree.

You have an argument in regards to the reception of JD as far as 'Beats, Rhymes and Life' and the wider opinion of it. As i said earlier, JD, Cons were the whipping boys in regards to that.

But again, im not talking about the general listeners, critics and worldwide appeal.

Once again, i'm talking about his fellow producers, emcees, the beat community to a lesser extent, which wasn't as much of a thing back then in some respects.

When Amp Fiddler shopped/played him and SV to Q-Tip (and subsequently, Questlove, De La etc) it spread like wild fire in the Native Tongues and subsidiaries.

Nobody was jocking his style, because they didn't know how to, but they damn well were bugging the fukk out off of it. Point blank, period.

His sound and to non-quantize at that stage and to the extent that he did, was akin to the Impressionists using oil paint in tubes and taking painting outdoors in the 1800's. It was completely radical and ushered in a new approach entirely.

In the actual beatmaking community (not fans of beatmaking, but fellow producers) he was a martian, very early on. This is indisputable.
 
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