They're trying to make Kendrick Pac, and it's not working

[bigbadbossup2012]

Bro noone with sense thats who... Noone with sense gona truly look up to somone who contradicts himself about 80% ov the time ...do amazing speechs then wen the interview is over and the mic is off hes basically doing the exact thing he was preeching about ... Espically someone who got killed for getting involoved in piru/ crip beef at the age ov 25

Lmao,2pac is still the most looked up to rapper 20 yrs later.

 

[TheNig]

(track came out in '96 btw)

>>>>>>Any song Kendrick will ever make

All Kendirck will ever achieve is being a weak imitation of that "Pac soul"


Can't manufacture it.....damn, this song Popped up on the playlist, so I might as well make it apart of
this post



Damn, now this


All the same album, post '94

Whole album done in a week....real shyt just flowed out of him naturally...like a web out of a spider.


Kendrick'll do for this watered down era, tho

His best work easily.

I don't fukk with much rap these days but I do feel like Kendrick stands out more than the average rapper.

I'll be the first to admit that I stopped listening to Pac when he started needlessly attacking the East Coast. I truly believe that any work that he put out around that time was overshadowed by that bullshyt.

Never thought much of him as a lyricist but he brought passion and aggression to the art. I just thought he went overboard with it.

 

[Still Benefited]

Bro noone with sense thats who... Noone with sense gona truly look up to somone who contradicts himself about 80% ov the time ...do amazing speechs then wen the interview is over and the mic is off hes basically doing the exact thing he was preeching about ... Espically someone who got killed for getting involoved in piru/ crip beef at the age ov 25

How the hell you got a Pac avi with the caption "The realest nikka" if you believe this shyt you spewing,I'll let pac tell it

2:20


You do realize looking up to sumbody doesn't mean you have to follow every move or make every decision they make right?I have family memebers that was addicted to drugs and stayed in and out of jail,who told me not to do drugs and not to go to jail....I looked up to them for other reasons besides them being addicts and going to jail,for those reasons I was willing to listen to what they had to SAY,as much as I could've decided to emulate them and become crackheads too. Lets not talk about other people not having sense just because some of yall cant manage to separate the good from the bad,where others have enough sense to be able to do that and make they own decisions...Just because that's what you took away from Pac doesn't mean that's what everybody chose to take away.

funny how some of you are quick to give Pac ALL the credit for wild,reckless talking and reckless acting "no sense" having ass nikkas,who mostly loved and took on the negative aspects and image of Pac....But refuse to acknowledge the fact there could be people who mostly love,and took on the positive aspects that 2pac bought to the table.

How can yall see it one way,yet not the other?Unless you have an agenda?

The fact Pac has left both lasting positive,and negative impacts on peoples lives he touched til this day speaks to what I'm saying,as well as what that poster said about him being a leader...People ridiculing the idea of pac being a leader,what impact have you made good or bad?Oh none?Yet probably think your leaders because your "a good guy"...nah you a regular citizen which is cool too,but sit back,chill,take it all in,and let leaders lead,aint like theres shyt you can do to stop it anyway, since you not a leader

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Ive already pointed out the differences but you seem to want to ignore that fact,meanwhile you fail to acknowledge songs can be different but still be great....also you have failed to explain whats so fake about the story other than she's listening to a song you don't think she should be listening to in 2011 on the stroll?Da hell you think prostitutes should be listening to on the stroll?hooker anthems that can get them hype to suck random dikks?you think hos make a hooker playlist to stand on the corner too?

And you cant use that "You just don't get it" shyt on me just cuz I used it on you,as I point out what you are missing.you didn't explain anything,just used a cute hashtag,in fairness I will say maybe your post got cut off a couple post ago and you didn't realize it...But I'm definitely winning this debate so far

I'd imagine they would be listening to nothing. I've seen plenty of them in the streets. Dont recall any headphones.
YOu're not winning anything,you're just exposing what you really are.
You've convinced me that your understanding of writing is so far behind mine that you'd never understand and i'm internally debating if i feel like trying to explain it to you. I also have to question how serious you actually are. When you say kendrick is probably bringing up brenda to create irony,Despite his history of trying to adjoin himself to 2pac's legacy,it's like a nikka is being intellectually disingenuous.

But i'll try to give you a short version of how i feel.
To me what was dope about pac is that he had the perfect balance of saying something
poetic,being detailed,using alternative or
non conventional terms to say something. Being complex and being simple

With kendrick,to me he's not detailed enough,way to vague,way too often. He tries to get ultra poetic and or use non conventional terms too much. He thinks using the term cuticle is more effective than giving a simple breakdown of what keisha actually got put onto her nails when she got them done. He thinks saying "the usuals" makes him sound deep are makes him a better poet.

He thinks bringing up rosa parks in regards to what kesha ISNT considering in

the back seat of a car,makes him deep .And thinks thats more important than detail. Now there's nothing wrong with going poetic or doing any of the things i pointed out. But kendrick leans so far in that direction,that his story sounds fugazi, He sounds like he desperately wants to impress the listener where as pac sounds like he wants to rap a movie to you that you'll feel.
Now i know you cant be detailed on everything (you only have so much time) but like i said he's too vague too often,too artsy/poetic too often and he doesnt paint solid pictures as a consequence.
Lol he;s the type of nikka that would write
"when i was young me and my mama had beef,but if you season that meat,in the spring we can eat"
And he'll think that corny shyt is dope or a good idea.
He can;t properly write a song
like a dear mama,slippin,plies why you hate us so much,scarface now i feel ya,be true to the game, etc etc.
I've yet to hear a song from him that sounds from the heart and Kesha's pain is no different.

The statement by
@noumena
Is basically all that needs to be said about him.
Pac went for your emotions, and he always got it because he was gifted. Kendrick thinks the way to our emotions is our brain, he's too cerebral, trying to sound intellectual (where Pac WAS actually intellectual) and have "Deep" meanings to everything
If you truly dont understand then i dont know what to tell you. the truth is pretty obvious

 

[Abstract83]

Not callin him the new pac. Hes only kendrick. Now its a trend to hate a artist thats pushing boundries as far as this current state of mainstream hip hop goes. Atleast hes sayin something in his music unlike a lot of artists whether he's a industry plant, or hes a fake intellectual. Does the music bang? To me hell yes. Is he saying something with a message? Yes. I'll be buying his next album when it drops. Along with this untitled greatness.

 

[Thegospel]

Plenty of nikkas have been inspired. Pac was inspired. Kdot desperately wants to be viewed as the new pac but doesnt have the talent or heart to pull it off. His team is pullin out all the stops.
They gave him the perfect script,director and press&promo and he still cant nail the part and drive it home.Cause he's wack

He's not wack but I agree with what you said. Its no coincedence he released his new shyt after superstar lebron asked. Fans been asking for it. Lol he just needed that twitter hype around it. The grammy performance, the Pac skit, the (i) song being hyped to the sky as some outkast shyt. Everything is calculated with him. The shy rapper with the hippie clothes (but makes it a point to say he doesnt smoke or drink). Im not mad at him its more so annoyed at his forced hype.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Not callin him the new pac. Hes only kendrick. Now its a trend to hate a artist thats pushing boundries as far as this current state of mainstream hip hop goes. Atleast hes sayin something in his music unlike a lot of artists whether he's a industry plant, or hes a fake intellectual. Does the music bang? To me hell yes. Is he saying something with a message? Yes. I'll be buying his next album when it drops. Along with this untitled greatness.

Does his music bang,NaW. is he saying something important? What is he saying really?

 

[Abstract83]

Does his music bang,NaW. is he saying something important? What is he saying really?

To each its own breh

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

To each its own breh

What's his message?

 

[Still Benefited]

I'd imagine they would be listening to nothing. I've seen plenty of them in the streets. Dont recall any headphones.
YOu're not winning anything,you're just exposing what you really are.
You've convinced me that your understanding of writing is so far behind mine that you'd never understand and i'm internally debating if i feel like trying to explain it to you. I also have to question how serious you actually are. When you say kendrick is probably bringing up brenda to create irony,Despite his history of trying to adjoin himself to 2pac's legacy,it's like a nikka is being intellectually disingenuous.

But i'll try to give you a short version of how i feel.
To me what was dope about pac is that he had the perfect balance of saying something
poetic,being detailed,using alternative or
non conventional terms to say something. Being complex and being simple

With kendrick,to me he's not detailed enough,way to vague,way too often. He tries to get ultra poetic and or use non conventional terms too much. He thinks using the term cuticle is more effective than giving a simple breakdown of what keisha actually got put onto her nails when she got them done. He thinks saying "the usuals" makes him sound deep are makes him a better poet.

He thinks bringing up rosa parks in regards to what kesha ISNT considering in

the back seat of a car,makes him deep .And thinks thats more important than detail. Now there's nothing wrong with going poetic or doing any of the things i pointed out. But kendrick leans so far in that direction,that his story sounds fugazi, He sounds like he desperately wants to impress the listener where as pac sounds like he wants to rap a movie to you that you'll feel.
Now i know you cant be detailed on everything (you only have so much time) but like i said he's too vague too often,too artsy/poetic too often and he doesnt paint solid pictures as a consequence.
Lol he;s the type of nikka that would write
"when i was young me and my mama had beef,but if you season that meat,in the spring we can eat"
And he'll think that corny shyt is dope or a good idea.
He can;t properly write a song
like a dear mama,slippin,plies why you hate us so much,scarface now i feel ya,be true to the game, etc etc.
I've yet to hear a song from him that sounds from the heart and Kesha's pain is no different.

The statement by
@noumena
Is basically all that needs to be said about him.
Pac went for your emotions, and he always got it because he was gifted. Kendrick thinks the way to our emotions is our brain, he's too cerebral, trying to sound intellectual (where Pac WAS actually intellectual) and have "Deep" meanings to everything
If you truly dont understand then i dont know what to tell you. the truth is pretty obvious

So again,your basically upset he didn't do things on HIS song the way Pac would've done it?All while claiming he wants to be Pac,while at the same time pointing out the fact that musically,he takes almost the exact opposite approach that Pac would take

I think it was me who mentioned pages ago how Kendrick doesn't take the same approach as Pac,so I wasn't sure how dumbasses could've fallen for Kendrick being "The new Pac" rhetoric anyway,rather Kendrick namedropped Pac,or the machine was pushing him as such.

I rest my case,you continue to look for Pac where there is no Pac,at this point that is YOUR fault....you not doing nothing but making a bunch of assumptions of why Kendrick makes certain choices "bu bu but he wants to sound smarter",or why he's using Rosa Parks name "Bu bu but he just wants to sound deep"....What kindve shyt is this?your making all these ASSUMPTIONS based on not liking Kendrick or him not doing things the way Pac would have,even assuming he' only used Brendas Got A Baby as the song,because he wanted to align himself with Pac,after I pointed out all the reasons why that song would make perfect sense.

Who cares if he's trying to sound complex,if his style is not effective for you in terms of reaching your emotion that's one thing....But end of the day its the opposite of how Pac would've done it which hurts your case,would somebody who wants to be Pac do things the exact opposite way as Pac....If you thinkthe way Pac did it,Scarface or Plies did it,is the only way to get to somebodys heart....And that you cant be touched the way Kendrick does it cerebrally,I would argue maybe its something wrong with your cerebral....Speak for yourself,me and many other hiphop fans have been touched by music of complex emcees as well as less complex and direct emcees. Seems like that would make my understanding of not only writing,but more importantly SONG making much greater than yours

But yeah,theres nothing else I can tell you either,we will both remain Pac fans,but not big fans of Kendrick

 

[noumena]

I don't understand why people on this board concern themselves with the opinions of people and places they supposedly don't care about.

People go out of their way to read a Fader/Complex/Noisey article about Kendrick (or whoever) so they can complain how those places are forcing that rapper into the spot light.

Nobody back in the day copped "Death Certificate" then ran to the magazine stand to see what Rolling Stone said about it. We didn't care. You can have an opinion of a rapper, negative or positive, totally independent of this "machine" you guys complain about.

Fred.

This generation is different breh, plain and simple. We have the widespread use of the internet, and cell phones. We see this shyt every. damn. day. Facebook will post "news" articles on the side about entertainers, friends posting memes, people on twitter talking about it. And I know what you're thinking, "well don't use it", I'd say the pros outweigh the cons. It's just now, we have these media outlets being able to reach us in different ways, fader, complex, etc trying to shove their narrative down our throat

 

[hex]

This generation is different breh, plain and simple. We have the widespread use of the internet, and cell phones. We see this shyt every. damn. day. Facebook will post "news" articles on the side about entertainers, friends posting memes, people on twitter talking about it. And I know what you're thinking, "well don't use it", I'd say the pros outweigh the cons. It's just now, we have these media outlets being able to reach us in different ways, fader, complex, etc trying to shove their narrative down our throat

Well then that is a problem for this generation to police. If they care to.

I been into rap 30 years breh. Everyone I know, people I've known 25-30 years, been into rap 30 years. I guarantee they have no idea what Fader is. They might tangentially know of Complex, but not for anything related to rap.

They're on Twitter and social media but they ain't checking for what some 23 year old writer for Noisey or whatever the fukk is talking about. We own albums older than these dudes.

Maybe your circle is different, I dunno. But those outlets hold zero sway over anybody I know. It's all geared towards influencing young people and it's up to them not to fall for it.

Fred.

 

[Abstract83]

What's his message?

Talking about stuff that's currently going on when it comes to us black people. Being brave and daring with the choice of music he puts out. Im not gonna go into full detail. TPAB and Good Kid Mad City sums up just about everything when it comes to us.

 

[Controversy]

OP was spot on

Who can relate to Kendrick? Kendrick was the nerd at school who wrote poetry that hoes didn't feel

Kendrick IS NOT charismatic

Them animated flows get old real quick

TPAB and these throwaways are not gems to me

He might last bc he's bldg a fanbase but Pac will always be the standard when it comes to mainstream conscious music for blacks

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

So again,your basically upset he didn't do things on HIS song the way Pac would've done it?All while claiming he wants to be Pac,while at the same time pointing out the fact that musically,he takes almost the exact opposite approach that Pac would take

You're talking nonsense. Me thinking he's wack has nothing to do with me being upset. I dont get upset with nikkas for being wack. I just think their wack,wtf are you talking bout? I said he wants to be pac because of all the times he's tried to intertwine their names,from silly shyt like putting brendas gotta baby in his kesha song to "we were going to name the album To Pimp A Caterpillar" to "pac came to me in a dream" He does all this to put himself next to pac in peoples eyes but the truth is he's nothing like that and basically a fraud. When you campaign that hard with pac's name and won't even speak your mind in YOUR INTERVIEW,plus you're really not trying to challenge the system lyrically or any other way,that's what makes me thinks he's a fraud or a sucka.